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Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-18 by Diane Fields

Frank, I will say that that's what I've been doing.  I just keep track of my settings until I find one I'm happy with and save that as a preset.  I didn't find curves for all the papers either and so got the closest I could with the paper choice and then worked with 'blends' after that point.  I'm on a PC BTW.

Diane
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:48 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help



  I'm on a Mac but I think it's the same for Windows...

  If there is not a neutral curve you can mix warm and cool curves. Choose the two curves 
  and start with a 50/50 mix. If it's too cool add more of the warm curve and visa-versa...





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[Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-18 by frankg_photo

Diane,
So it's just trial & error until you find the combinations that you 
like ? Seems an expensive route. No guidelines available to at least 
get you 'in the park'?
Frank


> Frank, I will say that that's what I've been doing.  I just keep 
track of my settings until I find one I'm happy with and save that as 
a preset.  I didn't find curves for all the papers either and so got 
the closest I could with the paper choice and then worked 
with 'blends' after that point.  I'm on a PC BTW.
> 
> Diane
> -----------
> Diane B. Fields
> picnic@c...
> photo site  http://www.pbase.com/picnic
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: John Vitollo 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:48 AM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help
> 
> 
> 
>   I'm on a Mac but I think it's the same for Windows...
> 
>   If there is not a neutral curve you can mix warm and cool curves. 
Choose the two curves 
>   and start with a 50/50 mix. If it's too cool add more of the warm 
curve and visa-versa...
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-18 by Diane Fields

Yes, it seems an expensive route for me also.  I've been working with the sepia/cool blends.  I think it is probably pretty subjective doing it this way.  If you search the list you may find some recommendations for settings for particular paper--or maybe someone here will jump in and give their thoughts on this.

Diane
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  Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 11:32 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help



  Diane,
  So it's just trial & error until you find the combinations that you 
  like ? Seems an expensive route. No guidelines available to at least 
  get you 'in the park'?
  Frank




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[Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-18 by John Vitollo

> Diane,
> So it's just trial & error until you find the combinations that you 
> like ? Seems an expensive route. No guidelines available to at least 
> get you 'in the park'?
> Frank

Expensive? Print a ring-around of six 2x3 images on one letter size paper all with differnet 
curves.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-18 by Steve Kale

Or just print a step wedge for each - all on the same page
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> From: John Vitollo <jvlist@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:37:36 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR  selecting 2 tone curves help
> 
> 
> 
>  
>> Diane,
>> So it's just trial & error until you find the combinations that you
>> like ? Seems an expensive route. No guidelines available to at least
>> get you 'in the park'?
>> Frank
> 
> Expensive? Print a ring-around of six 2x3 images on one letter size paper all
> with differnet 
> curves.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-18 by Diane Fields

I hate to clutter the list with something like this but I have to say it LOL--DUH!!!
I don't know why I didn't think to do either of the mentioned things.  Sometimes one just overlooks the most obvious.

Diane
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Kale 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help


  Or just print a step wedge for each - all on the same page




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[Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-18 by frankg_photo

Well I'm being stupid too and I am not contradicting the advice - i'm 
quite sure printing step wedges or small segments is a correct way to 
view differences,  but what i still dont get is.............. you 
have about 4 curves on the left and 4 on the right for each paper 
plus a hundred positions on the blend. So as per my original post, 
where do I start looking for a neutral print on a common standard 
like epson enhanced matte or photorag?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Diane Fields" 
<picnic@c...> wrote:
> I hate to clutter the list with something like this but I have to 
say it LOL--DUH!!!
> I don't know why I didn't think to do either of the mentioned 
things.  Sometimes one just overlooks the most obvious.
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> Diane
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Steve Kale 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:40 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help
> 
> 
>   Or just print a step wedge for each - all on the same page
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-18 by Steve Kale

Mix warm and cool - I use my own curves but when I did use the UC curves I
found that around 35/65 warm/cool was close.  Personally I would print step
wedges of 100-0 warm-cool to 0-100 warm-cool in 10% increments.  Sepia is
sepia so you typically would not mix that.  Same with Coolse.  Others may
disagree but that is a good starting point.
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> From: frankg_photo <fh.gross@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:06:00 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR  selecting 2 tone curves help
> 
> 
> 
> Well I'm being stupid too and I am not contradicting the advice - i'm
> quite sure printing step wedges or small segments is a correct way to
> view differences,  but what i still dont get is.............. you
> have about 4 curves on the left and 4 on the right for each paper
> plus a hundred positions on the blend. So as per my original post,
> where do I start looking for a neutral print on a common standard
> like epson enhanced matte or photorag?
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Diane Fields"
> <picnic@c...> wrote:
>> I hate to clutter the list with something like this but I have to
> say it LOL--DUH!!!
>> I don't know why I didn't think to do either of the mentioned
> things.  Sometimes one just overlooks the most obvious.
>> 
>> Diane
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Steve Kale
>>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>   Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:40 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help
>> 
>> 
>>   Or just print a step wedge for each - all on the same page
>>

[Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-18 by frankg_photo

thank you


> Mix warm and cool - I use my own curves but when I did use the UC 
curves I
> found that around 35/65 warm/cool was close.  Personally I would 
print step
> wedges of 100-0 warm-cool to 0-100 warm-cool in 10% increments.  
Sepia is
> sepia so you typically would not mix that.  Same with Coolse.  
Others may
> disagree but that is a good starting point.
> 
> 
> > From: frankg_photo <fh.gross@s...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:06:00 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR  selecting 2 tone curves help
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Well I'm being stupid too and I am not contradicting the advice - 
i'm
> > quite sure printing step wedges or small segments is a correct 
way to
> > view differences,  but what i still dont get is.............. you
> > have about 4 curves on the left and 4 on the right for each paper
> > plus a hundred positions on the blend. So as per my original post,
> > where do I start looking for a neutral print on a common standard
> > like epson enhanced matte or photorag?
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Diane 
Fields"
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> > <picnic@c...> wrote:
> >> I hate to clutter the list with something like this but I have to
> > say it LOL--DUH!!!
> >> I don't know why I didn't think to do either of the mentioned
> > things.  Sometimes one just overlooks the most obvious.
> >> 
> >> Diane
> >>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>   From: Steve Kale
> >>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> >>   Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:40 PM
> >>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   Or just print a step wedge for each - all on the same page
> >>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-18 by Diane Fields

Frank, try blending the EEMsepia and EEM cool 50/50 as a start and then move 10 points either way.  Those are a good start.    You might start from a 100  and decrease 20 each time to get a feel for what's happening.

Diane
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: frankg_photo 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 2:06 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help



  Well I'm being stupid too and I am not contradicting the advice - i'm 
  quite sure printing step wedges or small segments is a correct way to 
  view differences,  but what i still dont get is.............. you 
  have about 4 curves on the left and 4 on the right for each paper 
  plus a hundred positions on the blend. So as per my original post, 
  where do I start looking for a neutral print on a common standard 
  like epson enhanced matte or photorag?



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Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-18 by Diane Fields

Yes, you're right--I said sepia but I meant warm or at least that's what my own preset has--and I found somewhere around what you did--40-60..
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  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 2:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help


  Mix warm and cool - I use my own curves but when I did use the UC curves I
  found that around 35/65 warm/cool was close.  Personally I would print step
  wedges of 100-0 warm-cool to 0-100 warm-cool in 10% increments.  Sepia is
  sepia so you typically would not mix that.  Same with Coolse.  Others may
  disagree but that is a good starting point.



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[Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-18 by john dean

-I've found a very nice tone which is very very slightly warm/neutral on Ultrasmooth at 
50% w- 50% cool.

I've also found a nice Sepia at 75% Sepia and 25%  cool on this same paper . It also looks 
nice on EE Matte.

John

Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-18 by Anthony S. Tubbs

Diane :  I have had for years 21"crt but I am not expert not really my 
industry.  I started coming here to learn about B&W printing.  My crt 
started dieing. I went out and bought a couple Samsung LCD. I started 
with the calibration but have decieded that I need to upgrade that area 
in the softwear and hardware not sure which one to buy yet, I dont want 
a 1200 dollar area as I said not a pro. that being said, when I started 
the research on LCDs I found certain areas need to be look at.  Pixel 
size, contrast area, refresh area.  And most of the montors that I have 
look at in the 1500 and less did not equal to the Samsungs that I was 
able to get, I got a 21.3" LCD and a 19" the 21.3 allows me to hook to 
computers up to it,  I run an OS/2warp box and a xp box. Hook the dvi up 
to xp and analog to OS2.  Hook up the 19" to a win2000 box.   Have been 
pretty happy with the results so far.  Cant wait to get better 
calibration software.  The advantage to LCD is a 19" is 19" not 17" only 
problem is 19" only does 1280x1024 :( as I use to run 1900x1400 on my 
old crt.  The 21.3" will do 1600x1200 and can be rotated to have it 
1200x1900 which can have some added benefit.   Anthony

Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-19 by B. Ellis

No guidelines available to at least
get you 'in the park'?

Try 75% cool 25% warm. The should get you in the park with EEM.
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To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 11:32 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help




Diane,
So it's just trial & error until you find the combinations that you
like ? Seems an expensive route. No guidelines available to at least
get you 'in the park'?
Frank


> Frank, I will say that that's what I've been doing.  I just keep
track of my settings until I find one I'm happy with and save that as
a preset.  I didn't find curves for all the papers either and so got
the closest I could with the paper choice and then worked
with 'blends' after that point.  I'm on a PC BTW.
>
> Diane
> -----------
> Diane B. Fields
> picnic@c...
> photo site  http://www.pbase.com/picnic
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: John Vitollo
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:48 AM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help
>
>
>
>   I'm on a Mac but I think it's the same for Windows...
>
>   If there is not a neutral curve you can mix warm and cool curves.
Choose the two curves
>   and start with a 50/50 mix. If it's too cool add more of the warm
curve and visa-versa...
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-19 by Charles Wilber

John: Sorry to be so dumb but what is a "ring-around" and how do you
do it? Thanks, Chuck

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo"
<jvlist@c...> wrote:
> 
>  
> > Diane,
> > So it's just trial & error until you find the combinations that you 
> > like ? Seems an expensive route. No guidelines available to at least 
> > get you 'in the park'?
> > Frank
> 
> Expensive? Print a ring-around of six 2x3 images on one letter size
paper all with differnet 
> curves.

Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-19 by john dean

Exactly,

That is what I did .  I printed four 4x5 variations on each 8x5"x11" sheet and 
did 5 of those - that's 20 variations.It is great to have these to refer to. With 
some of my more sophisticated clients I even give them a set to refer to. 
Sometimes these variations are so subtle that the only way to really evalute 
them is in comparison. Also I would find a fairly "neutral" silver print to 
compare them with. For me I quickly discoverd that there is no such thing as 
total neutrality though, with any medium. It's all relative and subjective.That is 
a perceptual and relative concept because even the paper base changes the 
hue in the higher values and developers, wash technique adds color to 
traditional prints.The one thing I did experience was that the really warm 
curves from UC and QTR looked much nicer on a natural or slightly warm 
paper than on a paper with optical brighteners, like H P Rag. I still want to 
figure out a process for split toning.

John
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> > > Diane,
> > > So it's just trial & error until you find the combinations that you 
> > > like ? Seems an expensive route. No guidelines available to at least 
> > > get you 'in the park'?
> > > Frank
> > 
> > Expensive? Print a ring-around of six 2x3 images on one letter size
> paper all with differnet 
> > curves.

Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-19 by frankg_photo

John,
Not sure how to do split toning wiith QTR but you can do it with 
pauls curves by seleting areas and applying different tone curves to 
each. 
Maybe something similar can be done by preparing different selections 
of the image as different files to be printed 'one at a time' - 
similar idea to what you do with your 4 printing passes on the same 
sheet.
Frank
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 I still want to
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> John

Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-19 by Diane Fields

Frank, you mean then combine them as layers in PS?  I'm assuming everyone is referring to something similar to duotones? (or not???)

Diane
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  From: frankg_photo 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:56 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help



  John,
  Not sure how to do split toning wiith QTR but you can do it with 
  pauls curves by seleting areas and applying different tone curves to 
  each. 
  Maybe something similar can be done by preparing different selections 
  of the image as different files to be printed 'one at a time' - 
  similar idea to what you do with your 4 printing passes on the same 
  sheet.
  Frank
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  I still want to 
  > figure out a process for split toning.
  > 
  > John


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Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-19 by john dean

That would require perfect registration and not very practical on an inkjet printer but I 
suppose possible.

John



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "frankg_photo" <fh.gross@s...> 
wrote:
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> 
> John,
> Not sure how to do split toning wiith QTR but you can do it with 
> pauls curves by seleting areas and applying different tone curves to 
> each. 
> Maybe something similar can be done by preparing different selections 
> of the image as different files to be printed 'one at a time' - 
> similar idea to what you do with your 4 printing passes on the same 
> sheet.
> Frank
> -----------------------------------
>  I still want to 
> > figure out a process for split toning.
> > 
> > John

Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help

2005-03-20 by B. Ellis

>That would require perfect registration and not very practical on an inkjet
printer but I
>suppose possible.


It's actually easy to do with Paul's curves and selections. You don't run
the paper through the printer twice so registraton isn't a factor in the
process. You make a selection, apply a curve to it, invert the selection,
apply a different curve to the remainder of the image, then print. It's been
quite a while since I've used MIS inks and done this so hopefully I haven't
left out a step or two but I know it was easy to do and I didn't have to run
the paper through the printer twice.
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From: "john dean" <deanwork2003@...>
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Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:01 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR selecting 2 tone curves help




That would require perfect registration and not very practical on an inkjet
printer but I
suppose possible.

John



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "frankg_photo"
<fh.gross@s...>
wrote:
>
> John,
> Not sure how to do split toning wiith QTR but you can do it with
> pauls curves by seleting areas and applying different tone curves to
> each.
> Maybe something similar can be done by preparing different selections
> of the image as different files to be printed 'one at a time' -
> similar idea to what you do with your 4 printing passes on the same
> sheet.
> Frank
> -----------------------------------
>  I still want to
> > figure out a process for split toning.
> >
> > John






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