Digital BW, The Print

> 
> I am getting a very strong itch to switch to PKN and LKN, for
> neutraility, for dmax, and for  the price. However, I do
>  need to maintain the ability to print in color.
> 
> I am generally happy with the Atkinson profiles. Obviously, I won't
> be using those, but will   make profiles with an eye-one.
> 
> Has anyone tried this already?  I would guess that the more neutral
> black inks will mean  that the overall shift in ink will be towards 
> yellow. In other words, there may be more  yellow ink laydown to 
> warm the cooler blacks. Perhaps there won't be much 
> additional yellow needed, but the idea of using a lot more yellow
> seems like it could add  to metamerism, if yellow is truly the 
> culprit there. Thus, the concern and the question.
> 
> On the other hand, maybe the more neutral Ks will make the
> linearization easier.

> 
> I am getting a very strong itch to switch to PKN and LKN, for
> neutraility, for dmax, and for  the price. However, I do
>  need to maintain the ability to print in color.
> 
> I am generally happy with the Atkinson profiles. Obviously, I won't
> be using those, but will   make profiles with an eye-one.
> 
> Has anyone tried this already?  I would guess that the more neutral
> black inks will mean  that the overall shift in ink will be towards 
> yellow. In other words, there may be more  yellow ink laydown to 
> warm the cooler blacks. Perhaps there won't be much 
> additional yellow needed, but the idea of using a lot more yellow
> seems like it could add  to metamerism, if yellow is truly the 
> culprit there. Thus, the concern and the question.
> 
> On the other hand, maybe the more neutral Ks will make the
> linearization easier.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Costa

> Like I've mentioned before I believe it's a myth that yellow causes 
> metamerism. There has never been any proof that this is actually the 
> case. People just assume that since QTR and Imageprint profiles don't 
> use yellow and don't have metamerism, the yellow must be the cause of 
> metamerism.
> 
> The culprit actually seems to be either the cyan or magenta inks, it's 
> just that QTR and Imageprint profiles uses so little of those inks that 
> it's no longer noticable. In comparison the Epson driver uses liberal 
> amounts of all the color inks when printing BW.
> 
> --
> Daniel Staver
> http://daniel.staver.no
> 
> 
> ccolbertbw wrote:
> > 
> > I am getting a very strong itch to switch to PKN and LKN, for
> > neutraility, for dmax, and for  the price. However, I do
> >  need to maintain the ability to print in color.
> > 
> > I am generally happy with the Atkinson profiles. Obviously, I won't
> > be using those, but will   make profiles with an eye-one.
> > 
> > Has anyone tried this already?  I would guess that the more neutral
> > black inks will mean  that the overall shift in ink will be towards 
> > yellow. In other words, there may be more  yellow ink laydown to 
> > warm the cooler blacks. Perhaps there won't be much 
> > additional yellow needed, but the idea of using a lot more yellow
> > seems like it could add  to metamerism, if yellow is truly the 
> > culprit there. Thus, the concern and the question.
> > 
> > On the other hand, maybe the more neutral Ks will make the
> > linearization easier.

> 
> I have made the switch to PKN and LKN in my Epson 4000.  I just re-profiled my papers 
> with the eye-one and colors are fine, no major shifts or metamerism.  Color prints look 
> identical to earlier ones made with Epson PK and LK inks.
> 
> Carl
>

> identical to earlier ones made with Epson PK and LK inks.
> 
> Carl

On Mar 4, 2005, at 2:05 PM, John wrote:

>
>
> Hello Carl,
>
> I have checked MIS website regarding PKN and LKN but only PKN is
> mentioned, nothing about LKN.
>
> Please direct me to the link as I am interested to test the LKN too.
>
> Thanks
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Schofield"
> <scho@m...> wrote:
>>
>> I have made the switch to PKN and LKN in my Epson 4000.  I just re-
> profiled my papers
>> with the eye-one and colors are fine, no major shifts or
> metamerism.  Color prints look
>> identical to earlier ones made with Epson PK and LK inks.
>>
>> Carl