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UT7/7600/Sepia cartridge query

2005-01-12 by sandersm@aol.com

I gather the "Sepia toner" cartridge that gets installed in the Y position 
does not get called for printing the range of warm tones permitted by the Epson 
driver sliders.   Certainly, I will never print warmer than the UT-EZ 
carbon/warm inkset for the C86 printers.

If this is true, is there any reason not to leave my current UC Y cartridge 
installed in my 7600?   I see little point in buying a Sepia cartridge, only to 
have it sit unused.   Am I missing something?

Thoughts?

Sanders McNew.


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RE: [Digital BW] UT7/7600/Sepia cartridge query

2005-01-13 by Paul Roark

Sanders,

>I gather the "Sepia toner" cartridge that gets installed in the 
>Y position does not get called for printing the range of warm 
>tones permitted by the Epson driver sliders. 

The sepia toner, as well as all the other inks, are used when the Epson
driver sliders are used to make a UT7 print.  That is why you can shift the
tone range cooler by substituting in a second light warm gray (UT7 LC).  

>Certainly, I will never print warmer than the UT-EZ 
>carbon/warm inkset for the C86 printers.

Then put UT7 LC in the Y position.

>If this is true, is there any reason not to leave my current 
>UC Y cartridge installed in my 7600? 

You don't want the UC color inks in there.  

The UT7 with the UT7 LC in the Y position is what neutral printers should do
for the best prints.  You don't want an ink that is not regularly used.  The
carbon UT7-LC is the most lightfast ink you can put in that spot, and it
will help the sliders and curves produce the best prints possible.   If I
did not want to do sepia and wanted to print with the Epson driver, I would
put the UT7 LC in the Y spot (as well as the LC spot).  (Use the Y chip for
the Y position.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: UT7/7600/Sepia cartridge query

2005-01-13 by sandersnyc

Paul, thanks for the reply.  To complete the thought:  If I install an LC cartridge in place of 
the Sepia, am I correct to assume that the combination will still allow me to print as warm 
as the C86 UT-EZ warm inkset?  I like the pure carbon warmth of that set -- just want to 
make sure I'll still be able to produce that with two LC carts.

Thanks, really, for the advice -- it is invaluable.

Sanders.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> 
wrote:
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> Sanders,
> 
> >I gather the "Sepia toner" cartridge that gets installed in the 
> >Y position does not get called for printing the range of warm 
> >tones permitted by the Epson driver sliders. 
> 
> The sepia toner, as well as all the other inks, are used when the Epson
> driver sliders are used to make a UT7 print.  That is why you can shift the
> tone range cooler by substituting in a second light warm gray (UT7 LC).  
> 
> >Certainly, I will never print warmer than the UT-EZ 
> >carbon/warm inkset for the C86 printers.
> 
> Then put UT7 LC in the Y position.
> 
> >If this is true, is there any reason not to leave my current 
> >UC Y cartridge installed in my 7600? 
> 
> You don't want the UC color inks in there.  
> 
> The UT7 with the UT7 LC in the Y position is what neutral printers should do
> for the best prints.  You don't want an ink that is not regularly used.  The
> carbon UT7-LC is the most lightfast ink you can put in that spot, and it
> will help the sliders and curves produce the best prints possible.   If I
> did not want to do sepia and wanted to print with the Epson driver, I would
> put the UT7 LC in the Y spot (as well as the LC spot).  (Use the Y chip for
> the Y position.)
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] Re: UT7/7600/Sepia cartridge query

2005-01-13 by Paul Roark

Sanders,

>...If I install an LC cartridge in place of the Sepia, 
>am I correct to assume that the combination will still allow me 
>to print as warm as the C86 UT-EZ warm inkset?  
>I like the pure carbon warmth ...

Yes, you can still print carbon warm when the sepia is replaced with LC.
The current UT7 carbon curve uses none of the Y-position sepia ink, except
to turn on the black.  Now, with the LC in the Y also, you'll be able to
have a curves set that has 2 light carbon jets firing, thus increasing the
smoothness.  I made one such curve for EEM.  If it's not posted I'll send it
to you off list.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> 
wrote:
> Sanders,
> 
> >I gather the "Sepia toner" cartridge that gets installed in the 
> >Y position does not get called for printing the range of warm 
> >tones permitted by the Epson driver sliders. 
> 
> The sepia toner, as well as all the other inks, are used when the Epson
> driver sliders are used to make a UT7 print.  That is why you can shift
the
> tone range cooler by substituting in a second light warm gray (UT7 LC).  
> 
> >Certainly, I will never print warmer than the UT-EZ 
> >carbon/warm inkset for the C86 printers.
> 
> Then put UT7 LC in the Y position.
> 
> >If this is true, is there any reason not to leave my current 
> >UC Y cartridge installed in my 7600? 
> 
> You don't want the UC color inks in there.  
> 
> The UT7 with the UT7 LC in the Y position is what neutral printers should
do
> for the best prints.  You don't want an ink that is not regularly used.
The
> carbon UT7-LC is the most lightfast ink you can put in that spot, and it
> will help the sliders and curves produce the best prints possible.   If I
> did not want to do sepia and wanted to print with the Epson driver, I
would
> put the UT7 LC in the Y spot (as well as the LC spot).  (Use the Y chip
for
> the Y position.)
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com






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[Digital BW] Re: UT7/7600/Sepia cartridge query

2005-01-13 by sandersnyc

Paul:  

Yes, but ... if I am not using curves ... printing only with the Epson driver ... ?

What happens then, with the Y-position ink?

I am sorry to keep on this subject -- just trying to wrap my head around the idea.  I've 
been accused before of thinking too much.

Sanders.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> 
wrote:
> Sanders,
> 
> >...If I install an LC cartridge in place of the Sepia, 
> >am I correct to assume that the combination will still allow me 
> >to print as warm as the C86 UT-EZ warm inkset?  
> >I like the pure carbon warmth ...
> 
> Yes, you can still print carbon warm when the sepia is replaced with LC.
> The current UT7 carbon curve uses none of the Y-position sepia ink, except
> to turn on the black.  Now, with the LC in the Y also, you'll be able to
> have a curves set that has 2 light carbon jets firing, thus increasing the
> smoothness.  I made one such curve for EEM.  If it's not posted I'll send it
> to you off list.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> 
> wrote:
> > Sanders,
> > 
> > >I gather the "Sepia toner" cartridge that gets installed in the 
> > >Y position does not get called for printing the range of warm 
> > >tones permitted by the Epson driver sliders. 
> > 
> > The sepia toner, as well as all the other inks, are used when the Epson
> > driver sliders are used to make a UT7 print.  That is why you can shift
> the
> > tone range cooler by substituting in a second light warm gray (UT7 LC).  
> > 
> > >Certainly, I will never print warmer than the UT-EZ 
> > >carbon/warm inkset for the C86 printers.
> > 
> > Then put UT7 LC in the Y position.
> > 
> > >If this is true, is there any reason not to leave my current 
> > >UC Y cartridge installed in my 7600? 
> > 
> > You don't want the UC color inks in there.  
> > 
> > The UT7 with the UT7 LC in the Y position is what neutral printers should
> do
> > for the best prints.  You don't want an ink that is not regularly used.
> The
> > carbon UT7-LC is the most lightfast ink you can put in that spot, and it
> > will help the sliders and curves produce the best prints possible.   If I
> > did not want to do sepia and wanted to print with the Epson driver, I
> would
> > put the UT7 LC in the Y spot (as well as the LC spot).  (Use the Y chip
> for
> > the Y position.)
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: UT7/7600/Sepia cartridge query

2005-01-13 by Paul Roark

Sanders,

>... if I am not using curves ... printing only with the Epson driver ... ?

>What happens then, with the Y-position ink?

When the Epson driver is used with no curves, all the inks are always used.
When the sepia is taken out and a same-density carbon ink put in its place,
the print will be the same density but a bit cooler because the carbon is
not as warm as the sepia. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> 
wrote:
> Sanders,
> 
> >...If I install an LC cartridge in place of the Sepia, 
> >am I correct to assume that the combination will still allow me 
> >to print as warm as the C86 UT-EZ warm inkset?  
> >I like the pure carbon warmth ...
> 
> Yes, you can still print carbon warm when the sepia is replaced with LC.
> The current UT7 carbon curve uses none of the Y-position sepia ink, except
> to turn on the black.  Now, with the LC in the Y also, you'll be able to
> have a curves set that has 2 light carbon jets firing, thus increasing the
> smoothness.  I made one such curve for EEM.  If it's not posted I'll send
it
> to you off list.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> 
> wrote:
> > Sanders,
> > 
> > >I gather the "Sepia toner" cartridge that gets installed in the 
> > >Y position does not get called for printing the range of warm 
> > >tones permitted by the Epson driver sliders. 
> > 
> > The sepia toner, as well as all the other inks, are used when the Epson
> > driver sliders are used to make a UT7 print.  That is why you can shift
> the
> > tone range cooler by substituting in a second light warm gray (UT7 LC).

> > 
> > >Certainly, I will never print warmer than the UT-EZ 
> > >carbon/warm inkset for the C86 printers.
> > 
> > Then put UT7 LC in the Y position.
> > 
> > >If this is true, is there any reason not to leave my current 
> > >UC Y cartridge installed in my 7600? 
> > 
> > You don't want the UC color inks in there.  
> > 
> > The UT7 with the UT7 LC in the Y position is what neutral printers
should
> do
> > for the best prints.  You don't want an ink that is not regularly used.
> The
> > carbon UT7-LC is the most lightfast ink you can put in that spot, and it
> > will help the sliders and curves produce the best prints possible.   If
I
> > did not want to do sepia and wanted to print with the Epson driver, I
> would
> > put the UT7 LC in the Y spot (as well as the LC spot).  (Use the Y chip
> for
> > the Y position.)
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Digital BW] Re: UT7/7600/Sepia cartridge query

2005-01-13 by sandersnyc

Paul, that was what I thought.  So, to conclude:  If I install the UT7 inks in my 7600, with 
UC PK in the K slot and LC in the Y slot, I should be able to print with the Epson driver 
sliders alone, with a range from neutral to the carbon-warm tone I see with the C86's UT-
EZ (warm) inkset.  [pause]  Right?   :-)

Thanks for your patience and your help.

Sanders.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> 
wrote:
> Sanders,
> 
> >... if I am not using curves ... printing only with the Epson driver ... ?
> 
> >What happens then, with the Y-position ink?
> 
> When the Epson driver is used with no curves, all the inks are always used.
> When the sepia is taken out and a same-density carbon ink put in its place,
> the print will be the same density but a bit cooler because the carbon is
> not as warm as the sepia. 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> 
> wrote:
> > Sanders,
> > 
> > >...If I install an LC cartridge in place of the Sepia, 
> > >am I correct to assume that the combination will still allow me 
> > >to print as warm as the C86 UT-EZ warm inkset?  
> > >I like the pure carbon warmth ...
> > 
> > Yes, you can still print carbon warm when the sepia is replaced with LC.
> > The current UT7 carbon curve uses none of the Y-position sepia ink, except
> > to turn on the black.  Now, with the LC in the Y also, you'll be able to
> > have a curves set that has 2 light carbon jets firing, thus increasing the
> > smoothness.  I made one such curve for EEM.  If it's not posted I'll send
> it
> > to you off list.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > <paul.roark@v...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Sanders,
> > > 
> > > >I gather the "Sepia toner" cartridge that gets installed in the 
> > > >Y position does not get called for printing the range of warm 
> > > >tones permitted by the Epson driver sliders. 
> > > 
> > > The sepia toner, as well as all the other inks, are used when the Epson
> > > driver sliders are used to make a UT7 print.  That is why you can shift
> > the
> > > tone range cooler by substituting in a second light warm gray (UT7 LC).
> 
> > > 
> > > >Certainly, I will never print warmer than the UT-EZ 
> > > >carbon/warm inkset for the C86 printers.
> > > 
> > > Then put UT7 LC in the Y position.
> > > 
> > > >If this is true, is there any reason not to leave my current 
> > > >UC Y cartridge installed in my 7600? 
> > > 
> > > You don't want the UC color inks in there.  
> > > 
> > > The UT7 with the UT7 LC in the Y position is what neutral printers
> should
> > do
> > > for the best prints.  You don't want an ink that is not regularly used.
> > The
> > > carbon UT7-LC is the most lightfast ink you can put in that spot, and it
> > > will help the sliders and curves produce the best prints possible.   If
> I
> > > did not want to do sepia and wanted to print with the Epson driver, I
> > would
> > > put the UT7 LC in the Y spot (as well as the LC spot).  (Use the Y chip
> > for
> > > the Y position.)
> > > 
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > they are often being updated.
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