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B&W - How are you doing it?

B&W - How are you doing it?

2005-01-01 by yanceyiv

Happy New Year to all

I have enjoyed reading the great information posted in this group 
for about 2 weeks now. It seems that there are quite a few of you 
that are very satisfied with your success using inkjet printers for 
B&W. I wish I had stumbled across this source sooner. I am still 
absorbing this information and trying to establish my own workflow. 
I get B&W that my non-photographer friends think are nice, but they 
aren't meeting my desires yet.  Almost every day, I see something 
new and give it a try. HOwever, I am still all over the map when it 
prints. 

I have noticed that there are 3 predominant printers discussed in 
this group, Epson C82/84/86, 1270/1280/1290 and 2100/2200. There 
also seem to be two primary sources of software utilized, QTR and 
Roark's Curves with Epson drivers. 

Using any one of those setups, there are still a huge number of 
variables that can cost a fortune in paper and ink to get to a 
beautiful print. Given that there are many "newbie's" like myself 
reading this group; I believe it would be worthy to have those of 
you who are comfortable with your setup and workflow to post a 
description of it for us to compare to or perhaps switch to. A 
checklist of sorts for getting to excellent prints with a little 
less pain. Do you "old timers" of the group agree? 

If so, I would love to see and compare such information as: 
Platform: Win, Mac, Linux
Software used: Photoshop, etc.
Printing software: RIP, native application driver, etc
Printer: model and whether dedicated to B&W exclusively or not
Ink sets: MIS, Epson, etc
Workflow or link to a great starting point for creating one. Also, 
source of information to understand just what is going on when you 
tweak all those sliders in QTR or the Epson advanced drivers.

Here's what I have to work with currently: Windows XP Pro, Photoshop 
CS, Epson 2200 and C86(new, planning to try out the MIS EZ system 
after they open back up from the holidays), assorted papers, mostly 
Epson and Ilford. Your recommendations welcome. Please be as 
detailed as possible.

If you don't want to post to group, offline emails are welcome. 

Thanks to all the in this group for your contributions and may you 
have a wonderful New Year.

Bill

RE: [Digital BW] B&W - How are you doing it?

2005-01-01 by Ken Carney

Hello, Bill:  Most of my time is invested in taking photos as opposed to
processing and printing.  I'm old and cranky and impatient, so I use the
Epson 2200 (I don't print all that large), with OEM UC inks and the
ImagePrint 6 RIP, with Photorag 308 paper.  It is fast, easy and reliable.
It is essential to calibrate your monitor every week or so, so that your
print looks like the monitor within reason.  I keep a Canon printer for
glossy photos (the 2200 doesn't do well with that paper).  I had to make
some transfer curves to get the Canon to print well.  You could also keep an
Epson 1280 for that, though you would need a separate ImagePrint license for
the second printer ($150 I think).  Just my take.  Don't know about
platforms, though my preacher says that XP is the one true way for mankind
(just kidding.....).

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: yanceyiv [mailto:bvaughn4@...] 
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 7:55 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] B&W - How are you doing it?
> 
> 
> 
> Happy New Year to all
> 
> I have enjoyed reading the great information posted in this 
> group for about 2 weeks now. It seems that there are quite a 
> few of you that are very satisfied with your success using 
> inkjet printers for B&W. I wish I had stumbled across this 
> source sooner. I am still absorbing this information and 
> trying to establish my own workflow. 
> I get B&W that my non-photographer friends think are nice, 
> but they aren't meeting my desires yet.  Almost every day, I 
> see something new and give it a try. HOwever, I am still all 
> over the map when it prints. 
> 
> I have noticed that there are 3 predominant printers 
> discussed in this group, Epson C82/84/86, 1270/1280/1290 and 
> 2100/2200. There also seem to be two primary sources of 
> software utilized, QTR and Roark's Curves with Epson drivers. 
> 
> Using any one of those setups, there are still a huge number 
> of variables that can cost a fortune in paper and ink to get 
> to a beautiful print. Given that there are many "newbie's" 
> like myself reading this group; I believe it would be worthy 
> to have those of you who are comfortable with your setup and 
> workflow to post a description of it for us to compare to or 
> perhaps switch to. A checklist of sorts for getting to 
> excellent prints with a little less pain. Do you "old timers" 
> of the group agree? 
> 
> If so, I would love to see and compare such information as: 
> Platform: Win, Mac, Linux
> Software used: Photoshop, etc.
> Printing software: RIP, native application driver, etc
> Printer: model and whether dedicated to B&W exclusively or 
> not Ink sets: MIS, Epson, etc Workflow or link to a great 
> starting point for creating one. Also, source of information 
> to understand just what is going on when you tweak all those 
> sliders in QTR or the Epson advanced drivers.
> 
> Here's what I have to work with currently: Windows XP Pro, 
> Photoshop CS, Epson 2200 and C86(new, planning to try out the 
> MIS EZ system after they open back up from the holidays), 
> assorted papers, mostly Epson and Ilford. Your 
> recommendations welcome. Please be as detailed as possible.
> 
> If you don't want to post to group, offline emails are welcome. 
> 
> Thanks to all the in this group for your contributions and 
> may you have a wonderful New Year.
> 
> Bill
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Re: B&W - How are you doing it?

2005-01-01 by Clayton Jones

Hello Bill,

>I have noticed that there are 3 predominant printers discussed in 
>this group, Epson C82/84/86, 1270/1280/1290 and 2100/2200. There 
>also seem to be two primary sources of software utilized, QTR and 
>Roark's Curves with Epson drivers. 
> 
>Using any one of those setups, there are still a huge number of 
>variables that can cost a fortune in paper and ink to get to a 
>beautiful print. 

Another popular approach, and one of the easiest to use and least
expensive, is the Black Only technique.  It's a great way to get
started and doesn't involve committing to a particular system.  You
are free to experiment with other methods and can always come back to
it any time.  Your 2200 will do an excellent job (that's what I use).
 There is information about it along with a general overview of BW
digital printing at the link below.  

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

RE: [Digital BW] B&W - How are you doing it?

2005-01-01 by Steve Meyfroidt

I went through the exact same thing a few weeks ago. In my case I have an
old Epson 2000P that I wanted to retire and ended up using that for B&W with
Lyson inks. Notes here: http://www.meyfroidt.com/photography/bwprinting

Trying out lots of papers was fun too, discussed here:
http://www.meyfroidt.com/photography/bwprinting

(Although I'd love to try the MIS inks, they don't seem to be available for
the 2000P any longer, which is a shame.)

Happy new year,
Steve


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From: yanceyiv [mailto:bvaughn4@...] 
Sent: 01 January 2005 01:55
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] B&W - How are you doing it?



Happy New Year to all

I have enjoyed reading the great information posted in this group 
for about 2 weeks now. It seems that there are quite a few of you 
that are very satisfied with your success using inkjet printers for 
B&W. I wish I had stumbled across this source sooner. I am still 
absorbing this information and trying to establish my own workflow. 
I get B&W that my non-photographer friends think are nice, but they 
aren't meeting my desires yet.  Almost every day, I see something 
new and give it a try. HOwever, I am still all over the map when it 
prints. 

I have noticed that there are 3 predominant printers discussed in 
this group, Epson C82/84/86, 1270/1280/1290 and 2100/2200. There 
also seem to be two primary sources of software utilized, QTR and 
Roark's Curves with Epson drivers. 

Using any one of those setups, there are still a huge number of 
variables that can cost a fortune in paper and ink to get to a 
beautiful print. Given that there are many "newbie's" like myself 
reading this group; I believe it would be worthy to have those of 
you who are comfortable with your setup and workflow to post a 
description of it for us to compare to or perhaps switch to. A 
checklist of sorts for getting to excellent prints with a little 
less pain. Do you "old timers" of the group agree? 

If so, I would love to see and compare such information as: 
Platform: Win, Mac, Linux
Software used: Photoshop, etc.
Printing software: RIP, native application driver, etc
Printer: model and whether dedicated to B&W exclusively or not
Ink sets: MIS, Epson, etc
Workflow or link to a great starting point for creating one. Also, 
source of information to understand just what is going on when you 
tweak all those sliders in QTR or the Epson advanced drivers.

Here's what I have to work with currently: Windows XP Pro, Photoshop 
CS, Epson 2200 and C86(new, planning to try out the MIS EZ system 
after they open back up from the holidays), assorted papers, mostly 
Epson and Ilford. Your recommendations welcome. Please be as 
detailed as possible.

If you don't want to post to group, offline emails are welcome. 

Thanks to all the in this group for your contributions and may you 
have a wonderful New Year.

Bill

Re: B&W - How are you doing it?

2005-01-01 by bwbonkers

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "yanceyiv" 
<bvaughn4@k...> wrote:
> 
> Happy New Year to all
> 
> I have enjoyed reading the great information posted in this group 
> for about 2 weeks now. It seems that there are quite a few of you 
> that are very satisfied with your success using inkjet printers for 
> B&W. I wish I had stumbled across this source sooner. I am still 
> absorbing this information and trying to establish my own workflow. 
> I get B&W that my non-photographer friends think are nice, but they 
> aren't meeting my desires yet.  Almost every day, I see something 
> new and give it a try. HOwever, I am still all over the map when it 
> prints. 
> 
> I have noticed that there are 3 predominant printers discussed in 
> this group, Epson C82/84/86, 1270/1280/1290 and 2100/2200. There 
> also seem to be two primary sources of software utilized, QTR and 
> Roark's Curves with Epson drivers. 
> 
> Using any one of those setups, there are still a huge number of 
> variables that can cost a fortune in paper and ink to get to a 
> beautiful print. Given that there are many "newbie's" like myself 
> reading this group; I believe it would be worthy to have those of 
> you who are comfortable with your setup and workflow to post a 
> description of it for us to compare to or perhaps switch to. A 
> checklist of sorts for getting to excellent prints with a little 
> less pain. Do you "old timers" of the group agree? 
> 
> If so, I would love to see and compare such information as: 
> Platform: Win, Mac, Linux
> Software used: Photoshop, etc.
> Printing software: RIP, native application driver, etc
> Printer: model and whether dedicated to B&W exclusively or not
> Ink sets: MIS, Epson, etc
> Workflow or link to a great starting point for creating one. Also, 
> source of information to understand just what is going on when you 
> tweak all those sliders in QTR or the Epson advanced drivers.
> 
> Here's what I have to work with currently: Windows XP Pro, 
Photoshop 
> CS, Epson 2200 and C86(new, planning to try out the MIS EZ system 
> after they open back up from the holidays), assorted papers, mostly 
> Epson and Ilford. Your recommendations welcome. Please be as 
> detailed as possible.
> 
> If you don't want to post to group, offline emails are welcome. 
> 
> Thanks to all the in this group for your contributions and may you 
> have a wonderful New Year.
> 
> Bill

Hi Bill

I use an Epson 2100 with OEM inks and a RIP. This gives me the 
advantage of being able to print B&W and colour from the same 
printer. Before going down the RIP route I would strongly advise you 
to have a look at Clayton's BO web site. With MIS Eboni ink in the 
black position on your 2200, you can print neutral B&W and colour. It 
is the least expensive option and a great starting point because it 
is straight forward. If you decide that you do not like the dots of 
BO printing, then try Roy's QTR. You can try it for free and if it 
works for you its a bargain at $50. If you have problems with QTR or 
would like an easier GUI, then have a look at Bowhaus IJC/OPM. I am 
currently using the Bowhaus RIP and on a Mac it is simplicity its 
self. It consists of two standalone programs. IJC is for profile 
making and adjusting. OPM is the print software. It comes with 
profiles for your 2200 with OEM inks and MIS UT inks. Unfortunately 
there is no demo program to try and their web site gives you only a 
taste of the program. I'm sure if Bowhaus promoted their product more 
they would get more of the market share. Maybe they should have a 
look at Imageprint's web site. Imageprint is the most expensive 
option but its a RIP for B&W and colour and does alot more than the 
B&W only RIPs. Have a look at their web site. There is an online 
tutorial, lots of info and a demo to try.

Have fun.

Peter

RE: [Digital BW] B&W - How are you doing it?

2005-01-01 by Paul Roark

Steve,

>...
>Although I'd love to try the MIS inks, they don't seem to be 
>available for the 2000P any longer, which is a shame.

The 2000P is supported.  See
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/2000P-FS-Readme.htm .

For a partial list of other printers that I've worked out procedures for,
see my general index of printing information at
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm . 

Happy New Year,

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] B&W - How are you doing it?

2005-01-01 by Steve Meyfroidt

Well I've tried that, but when I go to buy the cartridges (I don't use a
CIS) the inksupply site reports that the 2000P colour cart is not available
(although the black one is).
 
Or do you recommend refilling cartridges manually instead of buying
pre-filled ones? I must admit I'm slightly put off doing that (for no really
good reasons I guess).
 
How do you find the Lyson Quads compare with MIS inks? I'm very pleased with
my results (after playing to get some custom transfer curves, that is!) from
Lyson on Photo Rag -- very smooth and "creamy" though that's partly a
function of the grainless Canon 20D images I'm working with these days.
 
[Although I'm a lurker, I'd like to express my appreciation for your
enthusiasm and huge contribution to this forum, Paul.  :-)  ]
 
Cheers,
Steve
 
 
 

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From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] 
Sent: 01 January 2005 17:28
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] B&W - How are you doing it?


Steve,

>...
>Although I'd love to try the MIS inks, they don't seem to be 
>available for the 2000P any longer, which is a shame.

The 2000P is supported.  See
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/2000P-FS-Readme.htm .

For a partial list of other printers that I've worked out procedures for,
see my general index of printing information at
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm . 

Happy New Year,

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 




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Re: B&W - How are you doing it?

2005-01-02 by sonia katchian

I too have been reading this list and wondering why I don't have the 
complications other people are having with B&W.

In Photoshop I change the Mode from Grayscale to RGB.  I make color 
changes according to a formula that appeals to me, and according to 
the image.  I print out on a HP 5550 inkjet printer, on HP paper, 
with HP inks.  I swoon over the prints.

I don't know why it's just that simple for me.  I will soon be going 
to larger sizes and will probably go the Epson route.

Best,
Sonia
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