Digital BW, The Print

> 
> I've been using the Piezo inks for less than 2 months, but have
> made many prints on Somerset Velvet and tested a lot of paper
> samples and not once have I seen anything remotely close to
> the tone of Paul's Piezo ink print. For Piezo ink users, paper
> choice is the determinant of coolness/warmth of an image. I've
> gotten neutral and brown, but never green. You can request a
> printed sample image from InkJetMall. I'd trust a hardcopy over a
> compressed jpeg anyday.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry Olson 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 6:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Paul Roark's Comparison Print.


  Do most of you who saw all three of paul's images on his website think
  the piezo print is green?  This print almost exactly matches my piezo
  prints on most papers, in daylight. If there is green in it, it must be
  a very small amount, as I see mostly brown. If you are using the
  uncoated Somerset velvet paper, the images are quite a bit more neutral
  than on most any coated paper. I did see a print from Inkjet mall when I
  first began using piezo. It was not a good print. Very flat, muddy,
  olive green and very weak black. Not an acceptable print for a
  photographer, but it had no dots, and that's why I bought into the piezo
  system.  I thought I could find a paper that would be more neutral. I
  could never get rid of the brown tones, and don't like them, so have
  left piezo printing in favor of the MIS inks and Paul's curves. No green
  or brown prints Here!

  jerry

  amadiallo2001@... wrote:
  > 
  > I've been using the Piezo inks for less than 2 months, but have
  > made many prints on Somerset Velvet and tested a lot of paper
  > samples and not once have I seen anything remotely close to
  > the tone of Paul's Piezo ink print. For Piezo ink users, paper
  > choice is the determinant of coolness/warmth of an image. I've
  > gotten neutral and brown, but never green. You can request a
  > printed sample image from InkJetMall. I'd trust a hardcopy over a
  > compressed jpeg anyday.

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> or brown prints Here!
> 
> jerry
> 
> amadiallo2001@y... wrote:
> > 
> > I've been using the Piezo inks for less than 2 months, but have
> > made many prints on Somerset Velvet and tested a lot of paper
> > samples and not once have I seen anything remotely close to
> > the tone of Paul's Piezo ink print. For Piezo ink users, paper
> > choice is the determinant of coolness/warmth of an image. I've
> > gotten neutral and brown, but never green. You can request a
> > printed sample image from InkJetMall. I'd trust a hardcopy over a
> > compressed jpeg anyday.

> 
> Guys,
> It aint green it's olive and it does change as it ages. An un-mounted
> print-in-hand can look OK but the really anoying thing about the tone
> is what it looks like against white mat board - barf! No color of
> white I have found looks good. Worse, the color temp of the gallery
> light accentuates the ugly differences in the whites.
> 
> AZ
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Do most of you who saw all three of paul's images on his website
> think
> > the piezo print is green?  This print almost exactly matches my
> piezo
> > prints on most papers, in daylight. If there is green in it, it
> must be
> > a very small amount, as I see mostly brown. If you are using the
> > uncoated Somerset velvet paper, the images are quite a bit more
> neutral
> > than on most any coated paper. I did see a print from Inkjet mall
> when I
> > first began using piezo. It was not a good print. Very flat, muddy,
> > olive green and very weak black. Not an acceptable print for a
> > photographer, but it had no dots, and that's why I bought into the
> piezo
> > system.  I thought I could find a paper that would be more neutral.
> I
> > could never get rid of the brown tones, and don't like them, so have
> > left piezo printing in favor of the MIS inks and Paul's curves. No
> green
> > or brown prints Here!
> >
> > jerry
> >
> > amadiallo2001@y... wrote:
> > >
> > > I've been using the Piezo inks for less than 2 months, but have
> > > made many prints on Somerset Velvet and tested a lot of paper
> > > samples and not once have I seen anything remotely close to
> > > the tone of Paul's Piezo ink print. For Piezo ink users, paper
> > > choice is the determinant of coolness/warmth of an image. I've
> > > gotten neutral and brown, but never green. You can request a
> > > printed sample image from InkJetMall. I'd trust a hardcopy over a
> > > compressed jpeg anyday.
> 
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