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2004-09-20 by pmillari
As the subject line states, will QuadtoneRIP let you print edge to edge with the above combination? If so, are there any 'methods' for doing so apart from setting the placement to zero mm for top and left? What if the image is physically larger than the page? Just asking as I seem to be having a few teething problems with edge to edge printing and QTR. Thanks
2004-09-20 by Roy Harrington
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pmillari" <pmillari@y...> wrote: > As the subject line states, will QuadtoneRIP let you print edge to > edge with the above combination? > > If so, are there any 'methods' for doing so apart from setting the > placement to zero mm for top and left? > > What if the image is physically larger than the page? > > Just asking as I seem to be having a few teething problems with edge > to edge printing and QTR. > > Thanks The short answer is no, you can't do full bleed borderless prints. However, I have been looking into the borderless issue. From what I've seen so far the 2200 Epson drivers on both Mac and PC don't allow true borderless with sheet paper either. Apparently the 2100 drivers do. The Epson programmer's manual is pretty vague about it. So if I do find out how to make true borderless that will likely show up somewhere down the road. Roy
2004-09-20 by Phil Rose
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington"
<roy@h...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pmillari"
<pmillari@y...>
> wrote:
> > As the subject line states, will QuadtoneRIP let you print edge to
> > edge with the above combination?
>
> The short answer is no, you can't do full bleed borderless prints.
>
> However, I have been looking into the borderless issue. From what
I've
> seen so far the 2200 Epson drivers on both Mac and PC don't allow
true
> borderless with sheet paper either. Apparently the 2100 drivers do.
Hmmm, I've been having no trouble with borderless printing (color)
using the 2200 Epson driver in OS X 10.2.4. The only hoop that Epson
makes you jump through is that after you select the printer option as:
"Stylus Photo 2200 (sheet feeder--borderless)" in the Page Setup
dialogue ("Format For..."), you must reselect that option *again* when
back in the Print dialogue ("Printer..."). You'd think that specifying
once--in Page Setup--would suffice, but IME it doesn't.
Phil2004-09-20 by Stephen Billard
No, QTR requires a 1/8 inch border. -Stephen www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> -----Original Message----- > From: pmillari [mailto:pmillari@...] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:50 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] QuadtoneRIP, 2100, winXP - can you > print full bleed? > > > As the subject line states, will QuadtoneRIP let you print > edge to edge with the above combination? > > If so, are there any 'methods' for doing so apart from > setting the placement to zero mm for top and left? > > What if the image is physically larger than the page? > > Just asking as I seem to be having a few teething problems > with edge to edge printing and QTR. > > Thanks > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/ucIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or > you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership > preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks > or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be > removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic > posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group > rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and > decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group > Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE > THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, > INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN > IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED > ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2004-09-20 by ferdinand_paris
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Billard" <stephen@s...> wrote: > No, QTR requires a 1/8 inch border. > -Stephen > www.sbillard.org/Stephen Or if you're metric, 4mm. I assume that this is more than the usual 3mm which is possible in other software using the Epson driver due to rounding errors in the conversion from mm into imperial measurement. F_P
2004-09-20 by Roy Harrington
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rose" <pjrose@f...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington"
> <roy@h...> wrote:
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pmillari"
> <pmillari@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > As the subject line states, will QuadtoneRIP let you print edge to
> > > edge with the above combination?
>
> >
> > The short answer is no, you can't do full bleed borderless prints.
> >
> > However, I have been looking into the borderless issue. From what
> I've
> > seen so far the 2200 Epson drivers on both Mac and PC don't allow
> true
> > borderless with sheet paper either. Apparently the 2100 drivers do.
>
> Hmmm, I've been having no trouble with borderless printing (color)
> using the 2200 Epson driver in OS X 10.2.4. The only hoop that Epson
> makes you jump through is that after you select the printer option as:
> "Stylus Photo 2200 (sheet feeder--borderless)" in the Page Setup
> dialogue ("Format For..."), you must reselect that option *again* when
> back in the Print dialogue ("Printer..."). You'd think that specifying
> once--in Page Setup--would suffice, but IME it doesn't.
>
> Phil
Thanks, Phil. I guess the last time I tried it was on Windows. On Windows
you can't get to the borderless box unless you have Photo black ink
installed. I was able to fool it by having the printer off and yes the
borderless seems to be possible. However, it puts up several warning messages
saying the quality is less than perfect at bottom of page.
I'm curious, do you find the borderless quality substandard? Have you used
various papers with borderless? I wonder if there is some "cost" or penalty
for using the borderless driver versus the regular one -- i.e. why two of them?
Roy2004-09-20 by Stephen Billard
Actually, it looks like QuadToneRIP will get close to the 3mm border. Anyway, rounding gives 3.18mm which is as close as my ruler will measure. For those using QTRgui, investigating this led me to discover a bug in margin handling. I have posted version 0.19 to correct this. Www.sbillard.org\Shareware\QTRgui.htm. I've also added a Help file. Any comments would be appreciated. -Stephen www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> -----Original Message----- > From: ferdinand_paris [mailto:ferdinand_paris@...] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 12:28 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QuadtoneRIP, 2100, winXP - can you > print full bleed? > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen > Billard" <stephen@s...> wrote: > > No, QTR requires a 1/8 inch border. > > -Stephen > > www.sbillard.org/Stephen > > Or if you're metric, 4mm. I assume that this is more than > the usual 3mm which is possible in other software using the > Epson driver due to rounding errors in the conversion from mm > into imperial measurement. > > >
2004-09-20 by Phil Rose
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington"
<roy@h...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rose"
<pjrose@f...> wrote:
> > Hmmm, I've been having no trouble with borderless printing (color)
> > using the 2200 Epson driver in OS X 10.2.4. The only hoop that
Epson
> > makes you jump through is that after you select the printer
option as:
> > "Stylus Photo 2200 (sheet feeder--borderless)" in the Page Setup
> > dialogue ("Format For..."), you must reselect that option *again*
when
> > back in the Print dialogue ("Printer..."). You'd think that
specifying
> > once--in Page Setup--would suffice, but IME it doesn't.
> >
> > Phil
>
> Thanks, Phil. I guess the last time I tried it was on Windows. On
Windows
> you can't get to the borderless box unless you have Photo black ink
> installed. I was able to fool it by having the printer off and yes
the
> borderless seems to be possible. However, it puts up several
warning messages
> saying the quality is less than perfect at bottom of page.
>
> I'm curious, do you find the borderless quality substandard? Have
you used
> various papers with borderless? I wonder if there is some "cost" or
penalty
> for using the borderless driver versus the regular one -- i.e. why
two of them?
I was about to reply simply that "no, I don't find any quality loss",
but now add a qualifation--i.e., that most the borderless I've done
have been 4x6" (and these seem just fine). But just now--as I
*closely* examine one of my 8x10 borderless on Premium Glossy--I'm
afraid that I do see a slight loss of density along the first few
millimeters (leading edge)of the print. I don't know why the smaller
prints don't show that, too.
There is also the issue you mention which is that Epson doesn't
support borderless with all papers (AFAIK, just with PK-types like
Premium Glossy, -Semigloss and -Luster). Once, when I had MK ink
installed and wanted to print borderless on Enhanced Matte paper, I
just "lied" to the driver and told it that the media type was Premium
Semigloss. It dutifully printed borderless on the matte paper, and I
guess this is a ploy that might be used without serious penalty as
long as the correct profile is used. Although I wonder: would
incorrectly specifying the media type then cause the driver to use an
incorrect ink configuration (laydown), in spite of the correct profile
being used?
Phil2004-09-20 by Phil Rose
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rose" <pjrose@f...> wrote: I don't find any quality loss", > but now add a qualifation-- um, I mean "qualification" :-) Phil
2004-09-20 by Roy Harrington
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rose" <pjrose@f...> wrote: > > I was about to reply simply that "no, I don't find any quality loss", > but now add a qualifation--i.e., that most the borderless I've done > have been 4x6" (and these seem just fine). But just now--as I > *closely* examine one of my 8x10 borderless on Premium Glossy--I'm > afraid that I do see a slight loss of density along the first few > millimeters (leading edge)of the print. I don't know why the smaller > prints don't show that, too. > > There is also the issue you mention which is that Epson doesn't > support borderless with all papers (AFAIK, just with PK-types like > Premium Glossy, -Semigloss and -Luster). Once, when I had MK ink > installed and wanted to print borderless on Enhanced Matte paper, I > just "lied" to the driver and told it that the media type was Premium > Semigloss. It dutifully printed borderless on the matte paper, and I > guess this is a ploy that might be used without serious penalty as > long as the correct profile is used. Although I wonder: would > incorrectly specifying the media type then cause the driver to use an > incorrect ink configuration (laydown), in spite of the correct profile > being used? > > Phil I can't say for sure what the Epson drivers do but I think the paper selection is mainly for physical properties like thickness, platen gap. But, who knows, it could use different ink limits. Roy
2004-09-21 by Robert McArthur
> The short answer is no, you can't do full bleed borderless prints. > > However, I have been looking into the borderless issue. From > what I've seen so far the 2200 Epson drivers on both Mac and > PC don't allow true borderless with sheet paper either. > Apparently the 2100 drivers do. The Epson programmer's manual > is pretty vague about it. So if I do find out how to make > true borderless that will likely show up somewhere down the road. Ah (slaps head) - that explains why I can no longer do borderless since I changed from the 2100 driver to the 2200 (I have a 2100 printer). It's strange - whenever I click 'borderless' now, it changes the page to letter rather than A4. It seems it's impossible to do borderless A4 in the v5.4 2200 driver... worked fine in the v5.3 2100 driver. Thanks! Robert
2004-09-21 by john dean
It was always my understanding that the paper driver setting influenced the amount ink that was laid down, especially in the low end. This is because PREMIUM rc type papers have the ink on the surface where matte and rag papers have more absorption. But like he said, you could easily adjust this in curves by moving up the bottom shadow ( toe ) of the curve if necessary. This might come in to play when you have lots of deep blacks in large areas. john Although I wonder: would
> > incorrectly specifying the media type then cause the driver to use an > > incorrect ink configuration (laydown), in spite of the correct profile > > being used? > > > > Phil > > I can't say for sure what the Epson drivers do but I think the paper > selection is mainly for physical properties like thickness, platen gap. > But, who knows, it could use different ink limits. > > Roy
2004-09-21 by pmillari
> The short answer is no, you can't do full bleed borderless prints. > > However, I have been looking into the borderless issue. From what I've > seen so far the 2200 Epson drivers on both Mac and PC don't allow true > borderless with sheet paper either. Apparently the 2100 drivers do. > The Epson programmer's manual is pretty vague about it. So if I > do find out how to make true borderless that will likely show up > somewhere down the road. > > Roy Thanks for the reply Roy. I can confirm that the 2100 drivers allow borderless with sheet paper. I am looking forward to experimenting with your RIP software!
2004-09-21 by ferdinand_paris
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Robert McArthur" <mcarthur@d...> wrote: > Ah (slaps head) - that explains why I can no longer do > borderless since I changed from the 2100 driver to > the 2200 (I have a 2100 printer). It's strange - whenever I click > 'borderless' now, it changes the page to letter rather than A4. > It seems it's impossible to do borderless A4 in the v5.4 2200 > driver... worked fine in the v5.3 2100 driver. I have both drivers installed and both seem to work with a 2100 (except that the 2200 monitor doesn't work). I use the 2200 for BO and the 2100 for colour, and of course QTR for other B&W. The real problem with the borderless driver is the amount of image you loose. The driver resizes the image up by about 5% in each direction to ensure that you don't get any white edges, but the amount of image that you loose is just plain silly. I control this in Qimage using either page margins or borders, but it is not an exact science. If QTR ever did borderless, what would really be great is if it could control the amount of overspray, like some other drivers allow you to do (Canon?) F_P
2004-09-21 by ferdinand_paris
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Billard" <stephen@s...> wrote: > Actually, it looks like QuadToneRIP will get close to the 3mm > border. Anyway, rounding gives 3.18mm which is as close as my ruler > will measure. Yes, but it depends on how you are sizing the image. I use Qimage to resize the image, and work in metric. The Epson driver mandated a 3mm margin, so on an A4 page the image size needed to be 204x291mm. However if you send this sized image to QTR, it splits it over 4 pages. So I had to reduce it to 202x289. You could use a 3.18 margin I guess, if you print program works in fractions of a mm. I can see how to do this in Qimage, but there would be some trial and error to work out precisely what sized image you can send to QTR before it insists on splitting it over several pages. Just one .01mm too much would be fatal. Stephen - I'm having a problem with QTRgui and Qimage working together. If I start QTRgui after QImage has printed all its print jobs to file, no problem. But if I start it first, then after the first print job is done, QTRgui gives me an error message "Unable to move xxxxx.tif to to the 'Processed' folder. Folder monitoring disabled". If I then restart folder monitoring, all works as it should. It's hard to replicate this problem, as it seems to happen once, and then goes away. Subsequent attempts to print with QTRgui monitoring the output folder are successful. It's only a minor annoyance, but a puzzling one. F_P
2004-09-21 by Stephen Billard
My guess is that Qimage is creating the file and making it visible while it is still writing to it. QTRgui discovers it and tries to move it as part of its printing process. If the file is still open by Qimage, then the move will fail as indicated. I'll think about how this might be solved. -Stephen www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> -----Original Message----- > From: ferdinand_paris [mailto:ferdinand_paris@...] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:19 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QuadtoneRIP, 2100, winXP - can you > print full bleed? > > > Stephen - I'm having a problem with QTRgui and Qimage working > together. If I start QTRgui after QImage has printed all its > print jobs to file, no problem. But if I start it first, > then after the first print job is done, QTRgui gives me an > error message "Unable to move xxxxx.tif to to the 'Processed' > folder. Folder monitoring disabled". > > If I then restart folder monitoring, all works as it should. > It's hard to replicate this problem, as it seems to happen > once, and then goes away. Subsequent attempts to print with > QTRgui monitoring the output folder are successful. >
2004-09-21 by Roy Harrington
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ferdinand_paris" <ferdinand_paris@y...> wrote: > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Billard" > <stephen@s...> wrote: > > Actually, it looks like QuadToneRIP will get close to the 3mm > > border. Anyway, rounding gives 3.18mm which is as close as my ruler > > will measure. > > Yes, but it depends on how you are sizing the image. I use Qimage to > resize the image, and work in metric. The Epson driver mandated a 3mm > margin, so on an A4 page the image size needed to be 204x291mm. > > However if you send this sized image to QTR, it splits it over 4 > pages. So I had to reduce it to 202x289. You could use a 3.18 margin > I guess, if you print program works in fractions of a mm. I can see > how to do this in Qimage, but there would be some trial and error to > work out precisely what sized image you can send to QTR before it > insists on splitting it over several pages. Just one .01mm too much > would be fatal. Unit conversion is much more complicated than a simple US vs metric issue. Conversions almost always involve round-offs or truncations. Here's a few tidbits: How big is A4 paper? If you start with A0 being 1 square meter and start halving you end up with A4 = 210.2 x 297.3mm (or so). I believe by definition all the A sizes are truncated to even mm's -- hence A4 = 210x297mm So while the halving algoritm is nice in concept, you actually loose .5mm every once in a while. The Epson printer being a piece of hardware is actually defined by how many dots does it accept across a sheet of paper. Even though it is manufactured in a "metric" country, for all the low level specs the unit used is 1 dot = 1/360 inch. Margins are defined as 42 dots which is converted to 2.96mm rounded up to 3 mm. Then you have printer descriptor files that where defined by Postscript and Adobe. The base units are points. Postscript points are defined as 1/72 inch. (aside: there are at least 5 different definitions of what a point is). Some code handles fractional points, some only integer. So to be safe when you convert the 42 dot margin, you've got to round up to 9 points or 45 dots -- losing 3 dots on each side. But of course when you go to metric again some other piece of software again takes the "safe" route and rounds 9pts = 3.175mm up to 4 mm. So you can see things get whittled down at every turn. Mac OS X takes the approach of just chopping off images that are slightly too big. That may be the better choice than splitting into multiple pages which never seems very desirable. Roy
> > Stephen - I'm having a problem with QTRgui and Qimage working > together. If I start QTRgui after QImage has printed all its print > jobs to file, no problem. But if I start it first, then after the > first print job is done, QTRgui gives me an error message "Unable to > move xxxxx.tif to to the 'Processed' folder. Folder monitoring > disabled". > > If I then restart folder monitoring, all works as it should. It's > hard to replicate this problem, as it seems to happen once, and then > goes away. Subsequent attempts to print with QTRgui monitoring the > output folder are successful. > > It's only a minor annoyance, but a puzzling one. > > F_P
2004-09-21 by Roy Harrington
A new release for QuadToneRIP for Mac OS X is now generally available.
The major additions are:
1) Support for the Epson 4000 printer.
2) Significantly simplified installation -- much more plug and play.
3) Much nicer print dialog page -- QTRs own page and removable of
numerous extraneaous gimp-print options.
4) Improved positioning of images on page. Specific centering in Page Setup
----------------------------
There's been a fair amount of testing by others with both Jaguar and Panther.
So the product should be quite stable, print quality on the 4000 is very nice
and fast. There are numerous paper profiles. Thanks to Carl for his
contributions.
Roy
http://www.harrington.com2004-09-22 by John Vitollo
"Roy Harrington" wrote: > A new release for QuadToneRIP for Mac OS X is now generally available. > http://www.harrington.com Nice! Interface has "easy to get to" settings! Printed a few images with an Epson 890/UT2 - worked perfectly. I like the Centering in Page Setup - works well. Quick question. Installing the QTR 2.1 for an Epson 7000 which install script do I use as there are two? Install7000ipp or Install7000 Thanks Carl S. for all your help with my many 7000/QTR questions - you and Roy are the best John V.!
2004-09-22 by Roy Harrington
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo" <jvlist@c...> wrote: > "Roy Harrington" wrote: > > A new release for QuadToneRIP for Mac OS X is now generally available. > > http://www.harrington.com > > Nice! > > Interface has "easy to get to" settings! Printed a few images with an Epson 890/UT2 - > worked perfectly. > > I like the Centering in Page Setup - works well. > > Quick question. Installing the QTR 2.1 for an Epson 7000 which install script do I use as > there are two? Install7000ipp or Install7000 Install7000 is for using the USB interface. Install7000ipp is for an ethernet card interface, you have to provide an IP address. Roy > > Thanks Carl S. for all your help with my many 7000/QTR questions - you and Roy are the
> best > > John V.!
2004-09-22 by Steve Kale
Thanks Roy. How much work has there been done affecting the Epson 21/2200? Will I have to redo my curves?
> From: Roy Harrington <roy@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:13:53 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] Announce New QuadtoneRIP 2.1 -- Epson 4000 -- Mac OS X > > > A new release for QuadToneRIP for Mac OS X is now generally available. > > The major additions are: > > 1) Support for the Epson 4000 printer. > > 2) Significantly simplified installation -- much more plug and play. > > 3) Much nicer print dialog page -- QTRs own page and removable of > numerous extraneaous gimp-print options. > > 4) Improved positioning of images on page. Specific centering in Page Setup > > ---------------------------- > > There's been a fair amount of testing by others with both Jaguar and Panther. > So the product should be quite stable, print quality on the 4000 is very nice > and fast. There are numerous paper profiles. Thanks to Carl for his > contributions. > > Roy > > http://www.harrington.com >
2004-09-22 by sinwen
Can it be used for Epson4000 under Windows XP ?
----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Harrington
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:13 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Announce New QuadtoneRIP 2.1 -- Epson 4000 -- Mac OS X
A new release for QuadToneRIP for Mac OS X is now generally available.
The major additions are:
1) Support for the Epson 4000 printer.
2) Significantly simplified installation -- much more plug and play.
3) Much nicer print dialog page -- QTRs own page and removable of
numerous extraneaous gimp-print options.
4) Improved positioning of images on page. Specific centering in Page Setup
----------------------------
There's been a fair amount of testing by others with both Jaguar and Panther.
So the product should be quite stable, print quality on the 4000 is very nice
and fast. There are numerous paper profiles. Thanks to Carl for his
contributions.
Roy
http://www.harrington.com
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2004-09-22 by Steve Kale
I suspect not given this is a release for OS-X. You will have to wait for Roy to release an update for the Windows version.
> From: sinwen <sinwen@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:51:58 +0200 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Announce New QuadtoneRIP 2.1 -- Epson 4000 -- Mac OS > X > > Can it be used for Epson4000 under Windows XP ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roy Harrington > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:13 AM > Subject: [Digital BW] Announce New QuadtoneRIP 2.1 -- Epson 4000 -- Mac OS X > > > > A new release for QuadToneRIP for Mac OS X is now generally available. >
2004-09-22 by Roy Harrington
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <stevekale@b...> wrote: > Thanks Roy. How much work has there been done affecting the Epson 21/2200? > Will I have to redo my curves? > Hi Steve, No need to redo the curves. But you must re-install them with the new Install2200 script. Just copy the script into your own folder with the curves and double-click on it. Roy
2004-09-22 by Dan & Jacqui
After I corrected, cropped (8x10), and saved the picture in PS7, i dropped it in print-2200 bat to print. But it did not print correctly. Only a portion of the picture printed 8x10 size on the paper. What am I doing wrong? Dan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-09-22 by Steve Kale
FYI I get the following when I run Install 2100: Last login: Wed Sep 22 21:06:24 on console /Volumes/QTRIP2.1/Profiles/InstallScripts/Install2Welcome to Darwin! You have mail. 100.command; exit [Vigor12:~] stevekal% /Volumes/QTRIP2.1/Profiles/InstallScripts/Install2100.command; exit /usr/local/bin/quadprofile: line 21: *.txt: No such file or directory ls: *.quad: No such file or directory Curves Installed Successfully logout [Process completed] And of course there are no curves. As painful as it may be, you may find it a good idea to edit Carl's curves and create a set for the 2100. Other wise the Install 2100 doesn't get anyone anywhere. Cheers Steve
> From: Roy Harrington <roy@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:32:57 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Announce New QuadtoneRIP 2.1 -- Epson 4000 -- Mac OS > X > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale > <stevekale@b...> > wrote: >> Thanks Roy. How much work has there been done affecting the Epson 21/2200? >> Will I have to redo my curves? >> > > Hi Steve, > > No need to redo the curves. But you must re-install them with > the new Install2200 script. Just copy the script into your own > folder with the curves and double-click on it. > > Roy > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See ³Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines² in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE ³OWNER² AND > ³MODERATORS² OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, > USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE ³OWNER² AND ³MODERATORS² OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2004-09-23 by Roy Harrington
The InstallScripts folder has all the install scripts for those creating th= eir own curves. The 2200-UC (and UT and UT7) folders have the curves and the install2100 script for the 2100. Roy --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <stevekale@= b...> wrote: > FYI I get the following when I run Install 2100: > > Last login: Wed Sep 22 21:06:24 on console > /Volumes/QTRIP2.1/Profiles/InstallScripts/Install2Welcome to Darwin! > You have mail. > 100.command; exit > [Vigor12:~] stevekal% > /Volumes/QTRIP2.1/Profiles/InstallScripts/Install2100.command; exit > /usr/local/bin/quadprofile: line 21: *.txt: No such file or directory > ls: *.quad: No such file or directory > Curves Installed Successfully > logout > [Process completed] > > > And of course there are no curves. As painful as it may be, you may find= it > a good idea to edit Carl's curves and create a set for the 2100. Other w= ise > the Install 2100 doesn't get anyone anywhere. > > Cheers > > Steve > > > > From: Roy Harrington <roy@h...> > > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:32:57 -0000 > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Announce New QuadtoneRIP 2.1 -- Epson 4000 --= Mac OS > > X > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, Steve Kale > > <stevekale@b...> > > wrote: > >> Thanks Roy. How much work has there been done affecting the Epson 21/= 2200? > >> Will I have to redo my curves? > >> > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > No need to redo the curves. But you must re-install them with > > the new Install2200 script. Just copy the script into your own > > folder with the curves and double-click on it. > > > > Roy > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources= as > > they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to= > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this s= ame > > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to k= eep > > them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames.= > > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership > > without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W= > > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed fr= om the > > membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owne= r and > > Moderators. See ³Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines² in the Files sectio= n: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE ³OWNER² AND > > ³MODERATORS² OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, > > USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE ³OWNER² AND ³MODERATORS² OF > > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY = OF SUCH > > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGIT= AL BW, > > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE
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2004-09-23 by Steve Kale
OK now I am getting confused. I went to the InstallScripts folder and ran Install 2100 which resulted in my earlier post. It installed a printer called Quad 2100 or something similar. Then I saw the Install 2100 sitting in the 2200-UC folder. I then looked at Carl's ReadMe2200 saying that the printer had to be called QUAD2200 so I uninstalled Quad 2100 and did a manual install calling it QUAD2200 (the printer name I had used for simplicity sake in my own curves where I began by editing Carl's old text files.) I dropped my old curves in using the old Run-Install-Curves script and it seems to have worked fine. But I just took a look at Carl's 2200-UC curves text files and I now see that they do not have printer names although the descriptive verbage is still in there. I assume the Install2100 script in the 2200-UC folder adds the right printer name along the way? If old curve text files have a different printer name do they need to be edited to either drop the printer name or change it to Quad 2100 if one is to discard the old Run-Install-Curves and use the new one? Sorry but there is a lot of conflicting stuff here. I've got it working I think but it was not very intuitive.
> From: Roy Harrington <roy@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:00:31 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Announce New QuadtoneRIP 2.1 -- Epson 4000 -- Mac OS > X > > > > The InstallScripts folder has all the install scripts for those creating th= > > eir own > curves. The 2200-UC (and UT and UT7) folders have the curves and the > install2100 script for the 2100. > > Roy >
2004-09-23 by Roy Harrington
Hi Steve, I guess if you know all the history of how things evolved, it is a little confusing. The new install scripts do a whole lot more than before they basically do all the details. First they Add the printer automatically instead of having to deal with Print Center or Print Setup. They automatically look for a USB printer with the right model number and create the printer with the correct name and connect everything together. So you'll get a Quad2100 as long as a 2100 is hooked up to the computer. Next they do all the Quad-Profile stuff with all the curves in the same folder. Since the same curves work on both the 2100 and 2200, the PRINTER names have been removed from the curve file and the install script provides the printer name. (If you have printer names in the curve file that would override the install script printer name.) If you have some of your own curve files, I'd take out the PRINTER names (and if you remove the CURVENAMES it'll just use the file name for the CURVENAME). Put the curves in the same folder and run Install2100. Sorry about the confusion, I have lots of ReadMe and other docs that need updating. Hope this clears it up. Roy --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <stevekale@b...> wrote: > OK now I am getting confused. I went to the InstallScripts folder and ran > Install 2100 which resulted in my earlier post. It installed a printer > called Quad 2100 or something similar. Then I saw the Install 2100 sitting > in the 2200-UC folder. I then looked at Carl's ReadMe2200 saying that the > printer had to be called QUAD2200 so I uninstalled Quad 2100 and did a > manual install calling it QUAD2200 (the printer name I had used for > simplicity sake in my own curves where I began by editing Carl's old text > files.) I dropped my old curves in using the old Run-Install-Curves script > and it seems to have worked fine. But I just took a look at Carl's 2200-UC > curves text files and I now see that they do not have printer names although > the descriptive verbage is still in there. I assume the Install2100 script > in the 2200-UC folder adds the right printer name along the way? If old > curve text files have a different printer name do they need to be edited to > either drop the printer name or change it to Quad 2100 if one is to discard > the old Run-Install-Curves and use the new one? Sorry but there is a lot of > conflicting stuff here. I've got it working I think but it was not very > intuitive. > > > > From: Roy Harrington <roy@h...> > > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:00:31 -0000 > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Announce New QuadtoneRIP 2.1 -- Epson 4000 -- Mac OS
> > X > > > > > > > > The InstallScripts folder has all the install scripts for those creating th= > > > > eir own > > curves. The 2200-UC (and UT and UT7) folders have the curves and the > > install2100 script for the 2100. > > > > Roy > >
2004-09-23 by Steve Kale
Thanks. I figured as much. I know your priorities have been a PC version and then the 4000 but I guess you're due for a tidy up. I sent you an email with a couple of other questions. One more please: if I were to create a new curve does dropping it in the folder with all the other 2100 curves and running Install2100 in that folder end up adding a second printer or will it work fine.
> From: Roy Harrington <roy@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 05:14:55 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Announce New QuadtoneRIP 2.1 -- Epson 4000 -- Mac OS > X > > > > Hi Steve, > > I guess if you know all the history of how things evolved, it is a little > confusing. The new install scripts do a whole lot more than before > they basically do all the details. > > First they Add the printer automatically instead of having to deal > with Print Center or Print Setup. They automatically look for a USB > printer with the right model number and create the printer with the > correct name and connect everything together. So you'll get a > Quad2100 as long as a 2100 is hooked up to the computer. > > Next they do all the Quad-Profile stuff with all the curves in the same > folder. Since the same curves work on both the 2100 and 2200, the > PRINTER names have been removed from the curve file and the > install script provides the printer name. (If you have printer names > in the curve file that would override the install script printer name.) > > If you have some of your own curve files, I'd take out the PRINTER names > (and if you remove the CURVENAMES it'll just use the file name for the > CURVENAME). Put the curves in the same folder and run Install2100. > > Sorry about the confusion, I have lots of ReadMe and other docs > that need updating. Hope this clears it up. > > Roy >
2004-10-14 by Bill Morse
Roy- Can QTR be used with a 4000 via Firewire? What changes would have to be made to the install script for this to work? Thanks, Bill on 9/21/04 7:13 PM, Roy Harrington wrote: > > A new release for QuadToneRIP for Mac OS X is now generally available. > > The major additions are: > > 1) Support for the Epson 4000 printer. > > 2) Significantly simplified installation -- much more plug and play. > > 3) Much nicer print dialog page -- QTRs own page and removable of > numerous extraneaous gimp-print options. > > 4) Improved positioning of images on page. Specific centering in Page Setup > > ---------------------------- > > There's been a fair amount of testing by others with both Jaguar and Panther. > So the product should be quite stable, print quality on the 4000 is very nice > and fast. There are numerous paper profiles. Thanks to Carl for his > contributions. > > Roy > > http://www.harrington.com > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND > MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, > USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129015njl/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=grou > ps/S=1705019182:HM/EXP=1095894839/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://companio > n.yahoo.com> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsub > scribe> > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]