Digital BW, The Print

I guess a lot of you will know me from other lists, but here's a 'hi'
anyway. Thanks to Martin for starting this list...as soon as I heard about
it I knew it was a good idea.

I use the piezo inks on an 1160 run off a Mac... I *was* printing mainly on
EAM and Somerset Enhanced but since EAM now apparently goes green I need to
find another main sqeeze.

Here's a question someone may be able to answer: what's the best paper
available in rolls? I have some panoramas I want to print BIG, like 12"x36".
and how do you feed it into an 1160?

-- 
John Brownlow

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

ICQ: 109343205

Hi John,

Get the Epson Roll Paper Holder part no C811061 (in the UK) - it costs about
?22 over here. So far, I've only ever used Epson Photo paper in the rolls
with it... I now have a 7000 however, so I have even less reason to use it!
I think I will still aim to use cut-down sheets where possible though.
Flattening out the paper before printing can be a drag, and risks damaging
the paper. I think that A1 sheets (goodness knows what you can get in A1
sheets???) would give you two strips of the noted dimensions??? I just
checked a UK Hahnemuhle price list, and they skip from A2 to 36" rolls. By
the way, Epson Panoramic paper is A2 cut in half length-ways - I quite like
the format and size - but am planning something similar to yourself for
larger prints.

Can't answer you about anything else, but I am starting to get to grips with
Somerset Enhanced Velvet for some of my softer images.

I like it!

Nij

-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Deadman [mailto:john@...]
Sent: 30 July 2001 00:54
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] hi everyone


I guess a lot of you will know me from other lists, but here's a 'hi'
anyway. Thanks to Martin for starting this list...as soon as I heard about
it I knew it was a good idea.

I use the piezo inks on an 1160 run off a Mac... I *was* printing mainly on
EAM and Somerset Enhanced but since EAM now apparently goes green I need to
find another main sqeeze.

Here's a question someone may be able to answer: what's the best paper
available in rolls? I have some panoramas I want to print BIG, like 12"x36".
and how do you feed it into an 1160?

--
John Brownlow

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

ICQ: 109343205



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Hey Johnny!

Last night I came upon a bio and pics about you on Luminous Landscape.  Been a while since I visited there but smiled when I saw a familiar name.  I am not sure if I got this right but I believe I read that you spent a year shooting the same spot (Victoria station or somewhere?) is that right?  Was it daily/weekly/monthly or every blue moon?

The pano paper holder is something I also want (a solution that is).  I saw a poster today at lunch that shows the Fab Four and it is a print about 12 x36" and looked great in BW on the wall at the local pub.

Nij seems to have it down.  

Keep us informed of success/trials and tips please as I will probably follow for panos in a few months. 

Regards, 
Steadman

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Johnny Deadman 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 6:54 PM
  Subject: [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] hi everyone


  I guess a lot of you will know me from other lists, but here's a 'hi'
  anyway. Thanks to Martin for starting this list...as soon as I heard about
  it I knew it was a good idea.

  I use the piezo inks on an 1160 run off a Mac... I *was* printing mainly on
  EAM and Somerset Enhanced but since EAM now apparently goes green I need to
  find another main sqeeze.

  Here's a question someone may be able to answer: what's the best paper
  available in rolls? I have some panoramas I want to print BIG, like 12"x36".
  and how do you feed it into an 1160?

  -- 
  John Brownlow

  http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

  ICQ: 109343205


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John,

Welcome! Glad you to see you here. 

I too am still looking for the EAM replacement with no great luck to 
date. Could live with Turner and German Etching but want that 
smoother finish and brighter white. Steadman says he has something up 
his sleeve and to be patient.

Any serious choice in rolls or even long sheets for the 13" wide 
printers appears to be non existent as far as I can tell. I did some 
shots with a 75mm lens on my 4X5 with a 2:1 print ratio in mind and a 
12 by 24 would be great.

I see Crane is making the new wonder paper for Epson. Antonis has met 
Robert Rex of Crane and who also contacted me about coating Museo (I 
hereby certify that I did not yield to any blandisments of free trips 
to Las Vegas, wads of cash, free paper, etc.) I have invited him to 
join the group and perhaps we can at least make our wants and needs 
known.

Martin Wesley

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Johnny Deadman <john@p...> 
wrote:
> I guess a lot of you will know me from other lists, but here's 
a 'hi'
> anyway. Thanks to Martin for starting this list...as soon as I 
heard about
> it I knew it was a good idea.
> 
> I use the piezo inks on an 1160 run off a Mac... I *was* printing 
mainly on
> EAM and Somerset Enhanced but since EAM now apparently goes green I 
need to
> find another main sqeeze.
> 
> Here's a question someone may be able to answer: what's the best 
paper
> available in rolls? I have some panoramas I want to print BIG, like 
12"x36".

> and how do you feed it into an 1160?
> 
> -- 
> John Brownlow
> 
> http://www.pinkheadedbug.com
> 
> ICQ: 109343205

Hi Nij,

Welcome aboard!

I see the panarama and roll paper on the Epson site but as I recall 
the results with the Piezo inks is less than rewarding. Perhaps if 
there is enough interest and agreement on which paper, some of us 
could get together and place a special for 13" rolls or say 13 X 30 
or 13 X 36 sheets? Having seen the roll adapters for the Epson 
desktops I have some doubts about their ability to handle the heavy 
papers.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@n...> wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> Get the Epson Roll Paper Holder part no C811061 (in the UK) - it 
costs about
> ?22 over here. So far, I've only ever used Epson Photo paper in the 
rolls
> with it... I now have a 7000 however, so I have even less reason to 
use it!
> I think I will still aim to use cut-down sheets where possible 
though.
> Flattening out the paper before printing can be a drag, and risks 
damaging
> the paper. I think that A1 sheets (goodness knows what you can get 
in A1
> sheets???) would give you two strips of the noted dimensions??? I 
just
> checked a UK Hahnemuhle price list, and they skip from A2 to 36" 
rolls. By
> the way, Epson Panoramic paper is A2 cut in half length-ways - I 
quite like
> the format and size - but am planning something similar to yourself 
for
> larger prints.
> 
> Can't answer you about anything else, but I am starting to get to 
grips with
> Somerset Enhanced Velvet for some of my softer images.
> 
> I like it!
> 
> Nij
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnny Deadman [mailto:john@p...]
> Sent: 30 July 2001 00:54
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> Subject: [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] hi everyone
> 
> 
> I guess a lot of you will know me from other lists, but here's 
a 'hi'
> anyway. Thanks to Martin for starting this list...as soon as I 
heard about
> it I knew it was a good idea.
> 
> I use the piezo inks on an 1160 run off a Mac... I *was* printing 
mainly on
> EAM and Somerset Enhanced but since EAM now apparently goes green I 
need to
> find another main sqeeze.
> 
> Here's a question someone may be able to answer: what's the best 
paper
> available in rolls? I have some panoramas I want to print BIG, like 
12"x36".
> and how do you feed it into an 1160?
> 
> --
> John Brownlow
> 
> http://www.pinkheadedbug.com
> 
> ICQ: 109343205
> 
> 
> 
> If you do not wish to belong to Digital B&W, The Print, you may
> unsubscribe by sending an email to:
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> 
> 
> 
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Steadman,

If you missed it, check out John's website. A1! First class stuff! 
Very powerful.

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

Martin



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> Hey Johnny!
> 
> Last night I came upon a bio and pics about you on Luminous 
Landscape.  Been a while since I visited there but smiled when I saw 
a familiar name.  I am not sure if I got this right but I believe I 
read that you spent a year shooting the same spot (Victoria station 
or somewhere?) is that right?  Was it daily/weekly/monthly or every 
blue moon?
> 
(snip earlier)

Well Steadman, I wouldn't say I felt quite so confident :)

I shoot fair bit of XPAN - so I guess you've got to get used to panoramic
printing! But I am just thinking about doing my first ever 'editions' of
prints - I'll let you know how I get on!

Nij

-----Original Message-----
From: Steadman Uhlich [mailto:steadmanuhlich@...]
<snip>

Nij seems to have it down.

Keep us informed of success/trials and tips please as I will probably follow
for panos in a few months.

Regards,
Steadman
<snip>

Hi Martin,

Yes, the roll holders are not too substantial! Something I should have added
earlier is that I _think_ I read somewhere that you can get 4' wide rolls
cut down to 2' wide - or presumably even 1'. I think I heard / read the term
'band-saw' which from my school days suggested a very wobbly rough cut! I
guess a professional could do better...

Some of you may be aware that I just got a 7000 (big GRINS) - it seems
ironic, but I have had more issues with curling (and print-head scuffing) on
the Epson Semigloss paper roll provided that I ever recall having with
roll-holder on the 1160. This may be for two possible reasons, including
paper thickness and the 1160's supposed design to handle only thinner
papers - i.e. it pushes the paper harder and flatter before the print-head -
as opposed to the 7000's design to handle thicker papers etc etc. (I am
printing Epson OEM on Epson OEM whilst I await my Piezography Pro24!)

But please, don't take me too seriously just yet, as a wide format printer
is a total different ballgame and I feel like I am just about to experience
another great learning curve! Having said that - it would be rather nice if
my XPAN shots could be enlarged to 24" by 72"!!!!

nij

-----Original Message-----
From: mwesley250@... [mailto:mwesley250@...]
Sent: 30 July 2001 06:46
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] Panarama Paper was Re: hi
everyone


Hi Nij,

Welcome aboard!

I see the panarama and roll paper on the Epson site but as I recall
the results with the Piezo inks is less than rewarding. Perhaps if
there is enough interest and agreement on which paper, some of us
could get together and place a special for 13" rolls or say 13 X 30
or 13 X 36 sheets? Having seen the roll adapters for the Epson
desktops I have some doubts about their ability to handle the heavy
papers.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@n...> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Get the Epson Roll Paper Holder part no C811061 (in the UK) - it
costs about
> ?22 over here. So far, I've only ever used Epson Photo paper in the
rolls
> with it... I now have a 7000 however, so I have even less reason to
use it!
> I think I will still aim to use cut-down sheets where possible
though.
> Flattening out the paper before printing can be a drag, and risks
damaging
> the paper. I think that A1 sheets (goodness knows what you can get
in A1
> sheets???) would give you two strips of the noted dimensions??? I
just
> checked a UK Hahnemuhle price list, and they skip from A2 to 36"
rolls. By
> the way, Epson Panoramic paper is A2 cut in half length-ways - I
quite like
> the format and size - but am planning something similar to yourself
for
> larger prints.
>
> Can't answer you about anything else, but I am starting to get to
grips with
> Somerset Enhanced Velvet for some of my softer images.
>
> I like it!
>
> Nij
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnny Deadman [mailto:john@p...]
> Sent: 30 July 2001 00:54
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> Subject: [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] hi everyone
>
>
> I guess a lot of you will know me from other lists, but here's
a 'hi'
> anyway. Thanks to Martin for starting this list...as soon as I
heard about
> it I knew it was a good idea.
>
> I use the piezo inks on an 1160 run off a Mac... I *was* printing
mainly on
> EAM and Somerset Enhanced but since EAM now apparently goes green I
need to
> find another main sqeeze.
>
> Here's a question someone may be able to answer: what's the best
paper
> available in rolls? I have some panoramas I want to print BIG, like
12"x36".
> and how do you feed it into an 1160?
>
> --
> John Brownlow
>
> http://www.pinkheadedbug.com
>
> ICQ: 109343205
>
>
>
> If you do not wish to belong to Digital B&W, The Print, you may
> unsubscribe by sending an email to:
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on 7/29/01 10:21 PM, Steadman Uhlich at steadmanuhlich@... wrote:

> Last night I came upon a bio and pics about you on Luminous Landscape.  Been a
> while since I visited there but smiled when I saw a familiar name.  I am not
> sure if I got this right but I believe I read that you spent a year shooting
> the same spot (Victoria station or somewhere?) is that right?  Was it
> daily/weekly/monthly or every blue moon?

Oxford Street, two or three days a week. The results are in the HUMAN
TRAFFIC section of my site.
> 
> The pano paper holder is something I also want (a solution that is).  I saw a
> poster today at lunch that shows the Fab Four and it is a print about 12 x36"
> and looked great in BW on the wall at the local pub.
> 
> Nij seems to have it down.
> 
> Keep us informed of success/trials and tips please as I will probably follow
> for panos in a few months.

Once I get my workflow sorted out I will put together a detailed tutorial on
how to do turn a series of handheld images into a panorama.

-- 
John Brownlow

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

ICQ: 109343205

Nij,

It should be possible to get say 36" rolls cut into 2 - 13" and 1 - 
10". I am not sure how paper-converting plants slit their paper. From 
my old computer tape manufacturing days, it may be slit as it is 
unwound off of a bigger, wider roll by passing it through a single or 
set of rotary scissors and then the narrower strips are wound up on 
separate cores. This was pretty fragile stuff.

Paper might be done using a "baloney slicer" that pushes the roll 
against rotary knifes to cut it into pieces. Or they may have 
something completely different. Band saw would likely give an uneven 
edge as you say and I suspect this might be a big problem with long 
sheets.

I think I will take my comments on the 7000 to a new thread. Your 
large Xpan prints sound really intriguing. Hmmm...Ah...you wouldn't 
care to share those in a print exchange by any chance?

Thanks,

Martin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@n...> wrote:
> Hi Martin,
> 
> Yes, the roll holders are not too substantial! Something I should 
have added
> earlier is that I _think_ I read somewhere that you can get 4' wide 
rolls
> cut down to 2' wide - or presumably even 1'. I think I heard / read 
the term
> 'band-saw' which from my school days suggested a very wobbly rough 
cut! I
> guess a professional could do better...
> 
> Some of you may be aware that I just got a 7000 (big GRINS) - it 
seems
> ironic, but I have had more issues with curling (and print-head 
scuffing) on
> the Epson Semigloss paper roll provided that I ever recall having 
with
> roll-holder on the 1160. This may be for two possible reasons, 
including
> paper thickness and the 1160's supposed design to handle only 
thinner
> papers - i.e. it pushes the paper harder and flatter before the 
print-head -
> as opposed to the 7000's design to handle thicker papers etc etc. 
(I am
> printing Epson OEM on Epson OEM whilst I await my Piezography 
Pro24!)
> 
> But please, don't take me too seriously just yet, as a wide format 
printer
> is a total different ballgame and I feel like I am just about to 
experience
> another great learning curve! Having said that - it would be rather 
nice if
> my XPAN shots could be enlarged to 24" by 72"!!!!
> 
> nij
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mwesley250@e... [mailto:mwesley250@e...]
> Sent: 30 July 2001 06:46
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> Subject: [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] Panarama Paper was Re: hi
> everyone
> 
> 
> Hi Nij,
> 
> Welcome aboard!
> 
> I see the panarama and roll paper on the Epson site but as I recall
> the results with the Piezo inks is less than rewarding. Perhaps if
> there is enough interest and agreement on which paper, some of us
> could get together and place a special for 13" rolls or say 13 X 30
> or 13 X 36 sheets? Having seen the roll adapters for the Epson
> desktops I have some doubts about their ability to handle the heavy
> papers.
> 
> Martin
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@n...> wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Get the Epson Roll Paper Holder part no C811061 (in the UK) - it
> costs about
> > ?22 over here. So far, I've only ever used Epson Photo paper in 
the
> rolls
> > with it... I now have a 7000 however, so I have even less reason 
to
> use it!
> > I think I will still aim to use cut-down sheets where possible
> though.
> > Flattening out the paper before printing can be a drag, and risks
> damaging
> > the paper. I think that A1 sheets (goodness knows what you can get
> in A1
> > sheets???) would give you two strips of the noted dimensions??? I
> just
> > checked a UK Hahnemuhle price list, and they skip from A2 to 36"
> rolls. By
> > the way, Epson Panoramic paper is A2 cut in half length-ways - I
> quite like
> > the format and size - but am planning something similar to 
yourself
> for
> > larger prints.
> >
> > Can't answer you about anything else, but I am starting to get to
> grips with
> > Somerset Enhanced Velvet for some of my softer images.
> >
> > I like it!
> >
> > Nij
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Johnny Deadman [mailto:john@p...]
> > Sent: 30 July 2001 00:54
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> > Subject: [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] hi everyone
> >
> >
> > I guess a lot of you will know me from other lists, but here's
> a 'hi'
> > anyway. Thanks to Martin for starting this list...as soon as I
> heard about
> > it I knew it was a good idea.
> >
> > I use the piezo inks on an 1160 run off a Mac... I *was* printing
> mainly on
> > EAM and Somerset Enhanced but since EAM now apparently goes green 
I
> need to
> > find another main sqeeze.
> >
> > Here's a question someone may be able to answer: what's the best
> paper
> > available in rolls? I have some panoramas I want to print BIG, 
like
> 12"x36".
> > and how do you feed it into an 1160?
> >
> > --
> > John Brownlow
> >
> > http://www.pinkheadedbug.com
> >
> > ICQ: 109343205
> >
> >
> >
> > If you do not wish to belong to Digital B&W, The Print, you may
> > unsubscribe by sending an email to:
> > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@y...
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
> 
> 
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on 7/30/01 1:24 PM, Tim Spragens at t.spragens@... wrote:

> Have you had any go green, Johnny? What about the rest of you?
> I've got many prints lying around, as well as in various containers,
> and none of them exhibit a green shift that I've noticed. Some I've
> had tacked to a wall for about a year in a far from unpolluted
> environment look fine - normal, slightly warm, PiezoBW toned.

No I haven't but I am beginning to make print sales and since Cone says it
can go green, there goes the neighbourhood. Actually I have grown to dislike
the midtones on EAM (so boring) so there's another reason to switch.

Did I read that the greening is ozone related? That's odd because I had the
worst case of orange shift on the old Epson Glossy with 1270 inks that I
ever heard of... 12-24 hours to go bright tangerine. But no greens yet.
-- 
John Brownlow

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

ICQ: 109343205

on 7/30/01 2:04 PM, Tim Spragens at t.spragens@... wrote:

>> No I haven't but I am beginning to make print sales and since Cone
>> says it can go green, there goes the neighbourhood. Actually I have
>> grown to dislike the midtones on EAM (so boring) so there's another
>> reason to switch.
> 
> A sold print is a different matter, if you're not framing them for sale
> (assuming it is an environmental cause). What don't you like about
> the midtones - something that can't be corrected with a curve?

yeah... they just don't happen for me... if I'm printing for midtones (most
of my 35mm ISN'T printed for midtones but a harsher William Klein feel) then
I want a thick lush gray you can swim around in. The EAM is about 2" deep
and I want 6 feet.
-- 
John Brownlow

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

ICQ: 109343205

Have you had any go green, Johnny? What about the rest of you? 
I've got many prints lying around, as well as in various containers, 
and none of them exhibit a green shift that I've noticed. Some I've 
had tacked to a wall for about a year in a far from unpolluted 
environment look fine - normal, slightly warm, PiezoBW toned.

Tim

> EAM now apparently goes green I need to
> find another main sqeeze.


--
Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com

Nij,

do you have the space to set up a roll holder about half a meter 
back from the printer? seems like that would give the paper a 
chance to relax before it got near the print heads.

Tim

> but I have had more issues with curling (and print-head scuffing) on
> the Epson Semigloss paper roll provided that I ever recall having with
> roll-holder on the 1160. 


--
Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com

> No I haven't but I am beginning to make print sales and since Cone
> says it can go green, there goes the neighbourhood. Actually I have
> grown to dislike the midtones on EAM (so boring) so there's another
> reason to switch.

A sold print is a different matter, if you're not framing them for sale 
(assuming it is an environmental cause). What don't you like about 
the midtones - something that can't be corrected with a curve?

> Did I read that the greening is ozone related? That's odd because I
> had the worst case of orange shift on the old Epson Glossy with 1270
> inks that I ever heard of... 12-24 hours to go bright tangerine. But
> no greens yet.

Todd is sending some Epson papers, as well as some others, off 
for ozone testing, so we should have results in a few weeks. 
--
Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com

Tim,

I too have been an EAM user and I have not had any of my Piezo prints 
shift green at this point. I did receive a file off line awhile back 
of a scan of a green shifted print. It was not a green tinge it was 
bright dollar bill green. Nothing subtle about it. Others seem to be 
reporting something subtler so there may be two problems going on 
here.

(If anyone would like to scan simultaneously a print they consider to 
have the green shift side-by-side with one the consider to not have a 
green shift, I can post the image in the Photos section of the group 
so that we can begin to get an idea of what everyone is talking 
about.)

However, the green shift is not limited to EAM it has been reported 
on other papers as well. There is one confirmed incident of the paper 
and ink shifting green in an elevator. I also don't think that there 
is any hard evidence to blame the green shift on ozone. I believe it 
was just an assumption.

As you mentioned Todd is sending some prints for ozone chamber 
testing and I will contribute a coated and uncoated EAM print to the 
test so hopefully the ozone question will be answered one way or the 
other.

There is another issue with EAM and that is the fact that it tests 
acid on the core and back with two types of pH pens (both Steadman 
and I duplicated the test result) which calls into question its life 
as a paper even if the image holds up.

So the search for a replacement.

Martin



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Tim Spragens" 
<t.spragens@c...> wrote:
> Have you had any go green, Johnny? What about the rest of you? 
> I've got many prints lying around, as well as in various 
containers, 

> and none of them exhibit a green shift that I've noticed. Some I've 
> had tacked to a wall for about a year in a far from unpolluted 
> environment look fine - normal, slightly warm, PiezoBW toned.
> 
> Tim
> 
> > EAM now apparently goes green I need to
> > find another main sqeeze.
> 
> 
> --
> Tim Spragens
> http://www.borderless-photos.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Tim Spragens" 
<t.spragens@c...> wrote:
> Martin, 
> 
> there were (at least) two points to my post. First, find out how 
> extensive the color shift has been, second to state that I haven't 
> had a shift in a less-than-perfect envionment.

Same here.


> From the recent postings I wouldn't sell a print on EAM, but do 
think it is good for 
> work prints - proofing, portfolio. I don't know that is is much 
better 
> than the Epson Heavyweight Matte for that use, though, which for 
> me is less expensive and more readily available.

I completely agree.

> 
> Anything else is special order, and I can at least find Hahnemühle 
> and Somerset papers in the EU, so no extraordinary taxes or 
> shipping costs. Until I find a paper with the DMax and velvet 
> surface of EAM, I'll be using Torchon for prints I expect to stay 
> around for a while. The search is interesting for me as well.

I know that paper sourcing and cost is an issue in the EU. I hope 
that someone will realise there is a market and start selling locally 
for you. I have a box of Torchon sitting on the table waiting to be 
tried. I'll let you know what I think.

Martin

(snip earlier)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Johnny Deadman <john@p...> 
wrote:

(snip)

> I want a thick lush gray you can swim around in. The EAM is about 
2" deep
> and I want 6 feet.

John,

Think coating. Still working on it but I'm past 2" maybe down a 
couple of feet don't know if I can get to 6. Hope to post some more 
results this week. The Varathane is looking promising.

Will not be to everyone's taste but hope I am close to a very cheap 
method for people who want to try it out.

Martin

Martin, 

there were (at least) two points to my post. First, find out how 
extensive the color shift has been, second to state that I haven't 
had a shift in a less-than-perfect envionment. From the recent 
postings I wouldn't sell a print on EAM, but do think it is good for 
work prints - proofing, portfolio. I don't know that is is much better 
than the Epson Heavyweight Matte for that use, though, which for 
me is less expensive and more readily available.

Anything else is special order, and I can at least find Hahnemühle 
and Somerset papers in the EU, so no extraordinary taxes or 
shipping costs. Until I find a paper with the DMax and velvet 
surface of EAM, I'll be using Torchon for prints I expect to stay 
around for a while. The search is interesting for me as well.

Tim

> There is another issue with EAM and that is the fact that it tests
> acid on the core and back with two types of pH pens (both Steadman and
> I duplicated the test result) which calls into question its life as a
> paper even if the image holds up.
> 
> So the search for a replacement.
> 


--
Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com

> The EAM is about 2" deep and I want 6 feet.

Tried Somerset Velvet? It has that, but not the black.

Tim
--
Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com

Ha ssomeone offered to start a 24*72" exchange???
<grins>

As I say, I will post how I get on - it's a little way off yet, though :(

Nij

-----Original Message-----
From: mwesley250@... [mailto:mwesley250@...]
Sent: 30 July 2001 17:23
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] Panarama Paper was Re: hi
everyone


Nij,

It should be possible to get say 36" rolls cut into 2 - 13" and 1 - 
10". I am not sure how paper-converting plants slit their paper. From 
my old computer tape manufacturing days, it may be slit as it is 
unwound off of a bigger, wider roll by passing it through a single or 
set of rotary scissors and then the narrower strips are wound up on 
separate cores. This was pretty fragile stuff.

Paper might be done using a "baloney slicer" that pushes the roll 
against rotary knifes to cut it into pieces. Or they may have 
something completely different. Band saw would likely give an uneven 
edge as you say and I suspect this might be a big problem with long 
sheets.

I think I will take my comments on the 7000 to a new thread. Your 
large Xpan prints sound really intriguing. Hmmm...Ah...you wouldn't 
care to share those in a print exchange by any chance?

Thanks,

Martin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@n...> wrote:
> Hi Martin,
> 
> Yes, the roll holders are not too substantial! Something I should 
have added
> earlier is that I _think_ I read somewhere that you can get 4' wide 
rolls
> cut down to 2' wide - or presumably even 1'. I think I heard / read 
the term
> 'band-saw' which from my school days suggested a very wobbly rough 
cut! I
> guess a professional could do better...
> 
> Some of you may be aware that I just got a 7000 (big GRINS) - it 
seems
> ironic, but I have had more issues with curling (and print-head 
scuffing) on
> the Epson Semigloss paper roll provided that I ever recall having 
with
> roll-holder on the 1160. This may be for two possible reasons, 
including
> paper thickness and the 1160's supposed design to handle only 
thinner
> papers - i.e. it pushes the paper harder and flatter before the 
print-head -
> as opposed to the 7000's design to handle thicker papers etc etc. 
(I am
> printing Epson OEM on Epson OEM whilst I await my Piezography 
Pro24!)
> 
> But please, don't take me too seriously just yet, as a wide format 
printer
> is a total different ballgame and I feel like I am just about to 
experience
> another great learning curve! Having said that - it would be rather 
nice if
> my XPAN shots could be enlarged to 24" by 72"!!!!
> 
> nij
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mwesley250@e... [mailto:mwesley250@e...]
> Sent: 30 July 2001 06:46
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> Subject: [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] Panarama Paper was Re: hi
> everyone
> 
> 
> Hi Nij,
> 
> Welcome aboard!
> 
> I see the panarama and roll paper on the Epson site but as I recall
> the results with the Piezo inks is less than rewarding. Perhaps if
> there is enough interest and agreement on which paper, some of us
> could get together and place a special for 13" rolls or say 13 X 30
> or 13 X 36 sheets? Having seen the roll adapters for the Epson
> desktops I have some doubts about their ability to handle the heavy
> papers.
> 
> Martin
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@n...> wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Get the Epson Roll Paper Holder part no C811061 (in the UK) - it
> costs about
> > ?22 over here. So far, I've only ever used Epson Photo paper in 
the
> rolls
> > with it... I now have a 7000 however, so I have even less reason 
to
> use it!
> > I think I will still aim to use cut-down sheets where possible
> though.
> > Flattening out the paper before printing can be a drag, and risks
> damaging
> > the paper. I think that A1 sheets (goodness knows what you can get
> in A1
> > sheets???) would give you two strips of the noted dimensions??? I
> just
> > checked a UK Hahnemuhle price list, and they skip from A2 to 36"
> rolls. By
> > the way, Epson Panoramic paper is A2 cut in half length-ways - I
> quite like
> > the format and size - but am planning something similar to 
yourself
> for
> > larger prints.
> >
> > Can't answer you about anything else, but I am starting to get to
> grips with
> > Somerset Enhanced Velvet for some of my softer images.
> >
> > I like it!
> >
> > Nij
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Johnny Deadman [mailto:john@p...]
> > Sent: 30 July 2001 00:54
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> > Subject: [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] hi everyone
> >
> >
> > I guess a lot of you will know me from other lists, but here's
> a 'hi'
> > anyway. Thanks to Martin for starting this list...as soon as I
> heard about
> > it I knew it was a good idea.
> >
> > I use the piezo inks on an 1160 run off a Mac... I *was* printing
> mainly on
> > EAM and Somerset Enhanced but since EAM now apparently goes green 
I
> need to
> > find another main sqeeze.
> >
> > Here's a question someone may be able to answer: what's the best
> paper
> > available in rolls? I have some panoramas I want to print BIG, 
like
> 12"x36".
> > and how do you feed it into an 1160?
> >
> > --
> > John Brownlow
> >
> > http://www.pinkheadedbug.com
> >
> > ICQ: 109343205
> >
> >
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Tim,

Is there an off-the-shelf product that does that? I just dread to think how
Heath-Robinson (is this an international, or only English phrase for
something 'hacked together' - or perhaps 'an over-worked solution') it would
end up being - I'm thinking backdrop-roll holder.

The solution I've been thinking of is to have a spare roll core (I could
actually probably use a postage tube) to reverse-curl the leading edge of
the paper. Using the tube as a former should help make the reverse-curl
without damaging the paper... I hope. Once again, I'll let you know how I
get on.

Nij

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Spragens [mailto:t.spragens@...]
Sent: 30 July 2001 18:31
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] Panarama Paper was Re: hi
everyone


Nij,

do you have the space to set up a roll holder about half a meter
back from the printer? seems like that would give the paper a
chance to relax before it got near the print heads.

Tim

> but I have had more issues with curling (and print-head scuffing) on
> the Epson Semigloss paper roll provided that I ever recall having with
> roll-holder on the 1160.

Doesn't seem like it would be too hard to rig, without getting too 
complicated. Would depend on the space and what you can 
salvage - a couple of light stands and a roller on bearings would 
work, I'd think, with maybe a board or wire grid between that and 
the printer to avoid bad sags. I don't know "Heath-Robinson", you 
have the etymology?

Tim

> Is there an off-the-shelf product that does that? I just dread to
> think how Heath-Robinson (is this an international, or only English
> phrase for something 'hacked together' - or perhaps 'an over-worked
> solution') it would end up being - I'm thinking backdrop-roll holder.

--
Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com

Tim,

Heath Robinson was a cartoonist who drew weird and wonderful contraptions
and machines - the best parallel I can think of in film would be the 'mad
scientist father' in <ahem> Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (!!!) or I'm sure that
Laurel and Hardy or some of the old silent 'slapstick / Charlie Chaplin'
movies would have had equivalents. The kind of thing where someone or
something pedals a bike that turn a cog that drives a shaft that drives an
arm that moves a grabber that picks up an egg that drops egg down a slide
that is caught in a pan that is held by an arm... you get the pictuire I'm
sure. Another typical example would be the 'kick you out of bed in the
morning machine'! :) Hence, in the UK, 'Heath Robinson' means 'hacked
together' or perhaps 'over-engineered' or perhaps 'over-engineered, but with
backwards-technology'!

I'm still bearing your idea in mind... Nothing is quick at my end at the
moment :) I think even light is slowing down here... I can prove it! It's
getting lighter much later in the mornings than it did just two weeks ago :)

Nij

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Spragens [mailto:t.spragens@...]
Sent: 31 July 2001 19:32
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] RE: Panarama Paper was Re: hi everyone


Doesn't seem like it would be too hard to rig, without getting too
complicated. Would depend on the space and what you can
salvage - a couple of light stands and a roller on bearings would
work, I'd think, with maybe a board or wire grid between that and
the printer to avoid bad sags. I don't know "Heath-Robinson", you
have the etymology?

Tim

> Is there an off-the-shelf product that does that? I just dread to
> think how Heath-Robinson (is this an international, or only English
> phrase for something 'hacked together' - or perhaps 'an over-worked
> solution') it would end up being - I'm thinking backdrop-roll holder.

--
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http://www.borderless-photos.com



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