Digital BW, The Print

Julian,

You wrote:

>... a typical UK overcast day, a landscape featuring a lake, trees, ...

(Sounds great.)

>Although there is a 'black' in the image, the image is tonally 'about' the
>myriad (poetic huh) shades of grey - how they move through the picture.
>...
> I tried Museo.  What a perfect print/paper. For this kind of image
>Museo is great BUT it really needs a profile. ...

You print with Piezo, right?

Although Piezo has somewhat different absorbtion characteristics than the
MIS VM inkset, with MIS VM inks EAM and Museo print nearly perfectly with
the same profile.  (In the MIS VM case, that means no profile.)  So, you
might try the Piezo EAM profile.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Paul thanks, I'll try it. I know Robert recomends the piezo concord rag
profile but I find there is a big hike in the lower mid greys.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
To: "DigitalB&WPrint" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 5:51 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] museo


> Julian,
>
> You wrote:
>
> >... a typical UK overcast day, a landscape featuring a lake, trees, ...
>
> (Sounds great.)
>
> >Although there is a 'black' in the image, the image is tonally 'about'
the
> >myriad (poetic huh) shades of grey - how they move through the picture.
> >...
> > I tried Museo.  What a perfect print/paper. For this kind of image
> >Museo is great BUT it really needs a profile. ...
>
> You print with Piezo, right?
>
> Although Piezo has somewhat different absorbtion characteristics than the
> MIS VM inkset, with MIS VM inks EAM and Museo print nearly perfectly with
> the same profile.  (In the MIS VM case, that means no profile.)  So, you
> might try the Piezo EAM profile.
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
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Good day,

I have reached the final print presentation stage, and would be 
grateful if anyone in Europe would be willing to send me a small 
sample of Museo  for paper surface comparison.

Probably best to take this off list.

TIA,

Jerry.

Julian,

I found that Museo coated better than any other paper I tried. If you coat
it you will not need to worry about the blacks. Uncoated I read densities of
about 1.46 to 1.48 in the deepest shadows and on the same print coated with
Golden materials I get 1.89 to 1.91. On selenium toned Ilford I read 2.1.

Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:38 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] museo


> I want to try coating some prints and I've heard from Robert that Museo is
> the best paper to use. Whilst I use Museo for continuous grey toned
prints,
> I've always had problems printing deep blacks. has anyone got any tips?
>
> ulian
> -----------------------------------
> Julian Thomas
> Bruc 168-6-1
> 08037 Barcelona
>
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> current exhibition: www.thesight.com
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> Gallery at http://www.mwords.co.uk/galleryGuests.htm#
>
> Streetphotography at
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/jthomas/jthomas-01.html
>
> tfno 679676321
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It's not the quantity but the quality of black. this shot for eg
http://www.foundobjectsgallery.com/holga/pages/dancer_jpg.htm prints great
on PR but really 'gritty' on museo, almost posterised. I'll try making a
'lighter' print and then coating once I've got th estuff. I'll try the
formula from the files page. I'm in the UK soon so I should be able to pick
the stuff up.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert G. Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] museo


> Once you coat them...blacks won't be an issue.  The difference between
1.57
> (Museo) and 1.67 (Hahnemuhle) doesn't even exist once they are
coated...they
> are all in the 2 to 2.2 range...and the differences there aren't nearly as
> noticeable...at least to me.
>
> Incidentely...I ran some Museo and Eclipse Satine Softwhite with John
> Woolf's epson driver workflow with PiezoBW inks last night.  As many of
you
> know, Museo has about a 1.57 dmax with Cone's driver.  Eclipse in
contrast,
> runs about 1.4 with the Orwell profile...big difference...you would never
> use Eclipse.  Ditto for the Museo profile with the Eclipse...1.41.  In
> contrast if I use Woolf's workflow I get 1.57 for both papers.  The
Eclipse
> looks great...really weird.  Using this workflow...or one like it I would
> say the Eclipse is also worth a try with coating.  It gives a more satin
> effect...that I really like when I print the smooth side.
>
> Robert
>
> On 4/10/02 2:38 PM, "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...> wrote:
>
> > I want to try coating some prints and I've heard from Robert that Museo
is
> > the best paper to use. Whilst I use Museo for continuous grey toned
prints,
> > I've always had problems printing deep blacks. has anyone got any tips?
> >
> > ulian
> > -----------------------------------
> > Julian Thomas
> > Bruc 168-6-1
> > 08037 Barcelona
> >
> > Website at www.foundobjectsgallery.com
> >
> > current exhibition: www.thesight.com
> >
> > Gallery at http://www.mwords.co.uk/galleryGuests.htm#
> >
> > Streetphotography at
> > http://www.borderless-photos.de/jthomas/jthomas-01.html
> >
> > tfno 679676321
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Martin wrote:

>I found that Museo coated better than any other paper I tried. If you coat
>it you will not need to worry about the blacks. Uncoated I read densities
of
>about 1.46 to 1.48 in the deepest shadows and on the same print coated with
>Golden materials I get 1.89 to 1.91. On selenium toned Ilford I read 2.1.

I just sprayed some EAM with Lyson Print Guard to see how it affects the
fade/warm-shift in testing.  I actually measure lower Dmax on EAM with the
sprayed papers.  Any idea why the blacks are going the other direction from
what you are measuring on Museo?

Paul

Julian,

Museo can't give you deep blacks, Try a hahnemuhle paper.

Jerry

Julian Thomas wrote:

> 
> I want to try coating some prints and I've heard from Robert that Museo is
> the best paper to use. Whilst I use Museo for continuous grey toned prints,
> I've always had problems printing deep blacks. has anyone got any tips?
>

Paul Roark wrote:

> Martin wrote:
>
> >I found that Museo coated better than any other paper I tried. If you 
> coat
> >it you will not need to worry about the blacks. Uncoated I read densities
> of
> >about 1.46 to 1.48 in the deepest shadows and on the same print 
> coated with
> >Golden materials I get 1.89 to 1.91. On selenium toned Ilford I read 2.1.
>
> I just sprayed some EAM with Lyson Print Guard to see how it affects the
> fade/warm-shift in testing.  I actually measure lower Dmax on EAM with the
> sprayed papers.  Any idea why the blacks are going the other direction 
> from
> what you are measuring on Museo?

1)  The spray may be increasing scattering and reflectivity of the 
coating used in the EAM..

2)  Pigment may actually migrate into the spray.. if that happens, the 
physical density (per volume, not optically) of the pigment would 
axiomatically drop.. since you would then be passing through pigment 
over a further distance, the chance of scattering and reflection as 
light passes through the suspension will increase.. That would decrease 
overall Dmax.  

If the latter is the case, laying down extra pigment on higher density 
areas (when a print is intended to be sprayed) should help...  In the 
former case it probably would not help to lay down more ink

>

[Keith]
 
 




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Remind me Julian...what's your workflow...are you using the piezo driver?
Are you using the Crane Museo profile...you might also check the Orwell
profile...but in my experience the Museo profile is less compressed in
shadows.

Robert


On 4/10/02 3:30 PM, "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...> wrote:

> It's not the quantity but the quality of black. this shot for eg
> http://www.foundobjectsgallery.com/holga/pages/dancer_jpg.htm prints great
> on PR but really 'gritty' on museo, almost posterised. I'll try making a
> 'lighter' print and then coating once I've got th estuff. I'll try the
> formula from the files page. I'm in the UK soon so I should be able to pick
> the stuff up.
> 
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert G. Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] museo
> 
> 
>> Once you coat them...blacks won't be an issue.  The difference between
> 1.57
>> (Museo) and 1.67 (Hahnemuhle) doesn't even exist once they are
> coated...they
>> are all in the 2 to 2.2 range...and the differences there aren't nearly as
>> noticeable...at least to me.
>> 
>> Incidentely...I ran some Museo and Eclipse Satine Softwhite with John
>> Woolf's epson driver workflow with PiezoBW inks last night.  As many of
> you
>> know, Museo has about a 1.57 dmax with Cone's driver.  Eclipse in
> contrast,
>> runs about 1.4 with the Orwell profile...big difference...you would never
>> use Eclipse.  Ditto for the Museo profile with the Eclipse...1.41.  In
>> contrast if I use Woolf's workflow I get 1.57 for both papers.  The
> Eclipse
>> looks great...really weird.  Using this workflow...or one like it I would
>> say the Eclipse is also worth a try with coating.  It gives a more satin
>> effect...that I really like when I print the smooth side.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On 4/10/02 2:38 PM, "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...> wrote:
>> 
>>> I want to try coating some prints and I've heard from Robert that Museo
> is
>>> the best paper to use. Whilst I use Museo for continuous grey toned
> prints,
>>> I've always had problems printing deep blacks. has anyone got any tips?
>>> 
>>> ulian
>>> -----------------------------------
>>> Julian Thomas
>>> Bruc 168-6-1
>>> 08037 Barcelona
>>> 
>>> Website at www.foundobjectsgallery.com
>>> 
>>> current exhibition: www.thesight.com
>>> 
>>> Gallery at http://www.mwords.co.uk/galleryGuests.htm#
>>> 
>>> Streetphotography at
>>> http://www.borderless-photos.de/jthomas/jthomas-01.html
>>> 
>>> tfno 679676321
>>> 
>>> 
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Sprays don't work like the brushed/rolled coatings.  I've never seen one of
them that made the print look better...they seem to just sink into the matte
papers instead of sit on top.  In contrast they work well on gloss papers.
What was the "finish" of the spray...you want something that is gloss (not
semi-gloss or satin).

Robert



On 4/10/02 4:01 PM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

> Martin wrote:
> 
>> I found that Museo coated better than any other paper I tried. If you coat
>> it you will not need to worry about the blacks. Uncoated I read densities
> of
>> about 1.46 to 1.48 in the deepest shadows and on the same print coated with
>> Golden materials I get 1.89 to 1.91. On selenium toned Ilford I read 2.1.
> 
> I just sprayed some EAM with Lyson Print Guard to see how it affects the
> fade/warm-shift in testing.  I actually measure lower Dmax on EAM with the
> sprayed papers.  Any idea why the blacks are going the other direction from
> what you are measuring on Museo?
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
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Los Angeles, CA 90066

Julian,

Very nice shot!

I have this one image that I used for all my coating trials using Piezo inks
and the Piezo driver. I printed on the Museo using the Epson Photo Paper
profile. Was last summer with the previous version of the Piezo software.
Other than being a bit weaker in the blacks than the H. papers I don't see
any difference. However, paper lots and curves do change.

You might want to start with a normal print, coat that and see where you
want to go. It is good to have a reference to an uncoated print.

Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] museo


> It's not the quantity but the quality of black. this shot for eg
> http://www.foundobjectsgallery.com/holga/pages/dancer_jpg.htm prints great
> on PR but really 'gritty' on museo, almost posterised. I'll try making a
> 'lighter' print and then coating once I've got th estuff. I'll try the
> formula from the files page. I'm in the UK soon so I should be able to
pick
> the stuff up.
>
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert G. Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] museo
>
>
> > Once you coat them...blacks won't be an issue.  The difference between
> 1.57
> > (Museo) and 1.67 (Hahnemuhle) doesn't even exist once they are
> coated...they
> > are all in the 2 to 2.2 range...and the differences there aren't nearly
as
> > noticeable...at least to me.
> >
> > Incidentely...I ran some Museo and Eclipse Satine Softwhite with John
> > Woolf's epson driver workflow with PiezoBW inks last night.  As many of
> you
> > know, Museo has about a 1.57 dmax with Cone's driver.  Eclipse in
> contrast,
> > runs about 1.4 with the Orwell profile...big difference...you would
never
> > use Eclipse.  Ditto for the Museo profile with the Eclipse...1.41.  In
> > contrast if I use Woolf's workflow I get 1.57 for both papers.  The
> Eclipse
> > looks great...really weird.  Using this workflow...or one like it I
would
> > say the Eclipse is also worth a try with coating.  It gives a more satin
> > effect...that I really like when I print the smooth side.
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > On 4/10/02 2:38 PM, "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I want to try coating some prints and I've heard from Robert that
Museo
> is
> > > the best paper to use. Whilst I use Museo for continuous grey toned
> prints,
> > > I've always had problems printing deep blacks. has anyone got any
tips?
> > >
> > > ulian
> > > -----------------------------------
> > > Julian Thomas
> > > Bruc 168-6-1
> > > 08037 Barcelona
> > >
> > > Website at www.foundobjectsgallery.com
> > >
> > > current exhibition: www.thesight.com
> > >
> > > Gallery at http://www.mwords.co.uk/galleryGuests.htm#
> > >
> > > Streetphotography at
> > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/jthomas/jthomas-01.html
> > >
> > > tfno 679676321
> > >
> > >
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Paul,

My measurements (finally got the Spectrocam) were on prints that had 3 or 4
coats of Golden varnish brush applied. I never found any Dmax increase with
the sprays and sometimes it caused a decrease. I believe that the sprays may
increase the light scatter. Rather than moving towards glossy they can take
you towards a pearl finish.

Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
To: "DigitalB&WPrint" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] museo


> Martin wrote:
>
> >I found that Museo coated better than any other paper I tried. If you
coat
> >it you will not need to worry about the blacks. Uncoated I read densities
> of
> >about 1.46 to 1.48 in the deepest shadows and on the same print coated
with
> >Golden materials I get 1.89 to 1.91. On selenium toned Ilford I read 2.1.
>
> I just sprayed some EAM with Lyson Print Guard to see how it affects the
> fade/warm-shift in testing.  I actually measure lower Dmax on EAM with the
> sprayed papers.  Any idea why the blacks are going the other direction
from
> what you are measuring on Museo?
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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yeahi know Jerry, but I'm trying coatings and the hahnemuhle papers don't
seemto work.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] museo


> Julian,
>
> Museo can't give you deep blacks, Try a hahnemuhle paper.
>
> Jerry
>
> Julian Thomas wrote:
> >
> > I want to try coating some prints and I've heard from Robert that Museo
is
> > the best paper to use. Whilst I use Museo for continuous grey toned
prints,
> > I've always had problems printing deep blacks. has anyone got any tips?
> >
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Yeah I'm using FS with the piezo driver. I use museo for those prints that
need a looooong grey scale.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert G. Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] museo


> Remind me Julian...what's your workflow...are you using the piezo driver?
> Are you using the Crane Museo profile...you might also check the Orwell
> profile...but in my experience the Museo profile is less compressed in
> shadows.
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 4/10/02 3:30 PM, "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...> wrote:
>
> > It's not the quantity but the quality of black. this shot for eg
> > http://www.foundobjectsgallery.com/holga/pages/dancer_jpg.htm prints
great
> > on PR but really 'gritty' on museo, almost posterised. I'll try making a
> > 'lighter' print and then coating once I've got th estuff. I'll try the
> > formula from the files page. I'm in the UK soon so I should be able to
pick
> > the stuff up.
> >
> > Julian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert G. Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] museo
> >
> >
> >> Once you coat them...blacks won't be an issue.  The difference between
> > 1.57
> >> (Museo) and 1.67 (Hahnemuhle) doesn't even exist once they are
> > coated...they
> >> are all in the 2 to 2.2 range...and the differences there aren't nearly
as
> >> noticeable...at least to me.
> >>
> >> Incidentely...I ran some Museo and Eclipse Satine Softwhite with John
> >> Woolf's epson driver workflow with PiezoBW inks last night.  As many of
> > you
> >> know, Museo has about a 1.57 dmax with Cone's driver.  Eclipse in
> > contrast,
> >> runs about 1.4 with the Orwell profile...big difference...you would
never
> >> use Eclipse.  Ditto for the Museo profile with the Eclipse...1.41.  In
> >> contrast if I use Woolf's workflow I get 1.57 for both papers.  The
> > Eclipse
> >> looks great...really weird.  Using this workflow...or one like it I
would
> >> say the Eclipse is also worth a try with coating.  It gives a more
satin
> >> effect...that I really like when I print the smooth side.
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
> >> On 4/10/02 2:38 PM, "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I want to try coating some prints and I've heard from Robert that
Museo
> > is
> >>> the best paper to use. Whilst I use Museo for continuous grey toned
> > prints,
> >>> I've always had problems printing deep blacks. has anyone got any
tips?
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Question:

.. those those who are getting good results coating museo -- can you
summarize your workflow, and coating procedure.. what kidn of coating are
you using (brand) .. (how many layers are being applied) .. i assume all the
coating happens after printing?

any other tips -- i love the feel of museo and would like to experiment with
coating also

-- ricardo

Ricardo,

Go to the Files section of the homepage and in it you will find a folder on
coating and in the various files there you will find a formula for the
"Morrison Mix" sealer and some of the procedures I used including for Museo.

Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricardo Lagos" <ricardo@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] museo


> Question:
>
> .. those those who are getting good results coating museo -- can you
> summarize your workflow, and coating procedure.. what kidn of coating are
> you using (brand) .. (how many layers are being applied) .. i assume all
the
> coating happens after printing?
>
> any other tips -- i love the feel of museo and would like to experiment
with
> coating also
>
> -- ricardo
>
>
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