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2003-12-18 by lovelipp
MIS says they have no immediate plans for outting UT inks in carts for the Epson 3000 - nor do they have a workflow. So I'm still using the original qaudtones. Is there anyone else out there who wants UT carts and workflow for the 333?
2003-12-18 by Paul Roark
> MIS says they have no immediate plans for outting UT inks in carts >for the Epson 3000 - nor do they have a workflow. ... You have to load your own carts. It's easy. I have curves for the 3000 and UT inks. The 3000 and UT inks make output that has some visible dots. For large display prints it'll probably be OK. The UT-FSN is a new neutral ink that is Piezo/FS compatible and works on the 3000. There are existing workflows for it, and I'll be making new curves for it and a pure carbon version. So, with the Epson driver you get a great dmax, with the Piezo driver, you get ultimate smoothness. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2003-12-18 by Wendel White
> > I have curves for the 3000 and UT inks. The 3000 and UT inks make output > that has some visible dots. For large display prints it'll probably be OK. > > The UT-FSN is a new neutral ink that is Piezo/FS compatible and works on the > 3000. There are existing workflows for it, and I'll be making new curves > for it and a pure carbon version. So, with the Epson driver you get a great > dmax, with the Piezo driver, you get ultimate smoothness. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com Paul; Any word on when MIS will be selling the UT-FSN inks in bulk? Wendel
2003-12-18 by Paul Roark
Wendel, I already have some production UT-FSN in bulk. So, I suspect if you call MIS they'll sell it now. Paul www.PaulRoark.com _____________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: Wendel White [mailto:wendel@...] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:46 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS UT & 3000 > > I have curves for the 3000 and UT inks. The 3000 and UT inks make output > that has some visible dots. For large display prints it'll probably be OK. > > The UT-FSN is a new neutral ink that is Piezo/FS compatible and works on the > 3000. There are existing workflows for it, and I'll be making new curves > for it and a pure carbon version. So, with the Epson driver you get a great > dmax, with the Piezo driver, you get ultimate smoothness. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com Paul; Any word on when MIS will be selling the UT-FSN inks in bulk? Wendel Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-12-18 by Roger L Sopher
Paul, Does MIS have a sepia toner for the UT-VM ink set? It is my understanding that with the original VM inks the black and grays were identical in both the cool and the sepia set, the difference being only in the toner that is used. Would this also be true of the UT version of VM? Thanks, Roger
-----Original Message----- From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:34 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] MIS UT & 3000 Wendel, I already have some production UT-FSN in bulk. So, I suspect if you call MIS they'll sell it now. Paul www.PaulRoark.com _____________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Wendel White [mailto:wendel@...] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:46 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS UT & 3000 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-12-18 by Paul Roark
Roger, >Does MIS have a sepia toner for the UT-VM ink set? Sort of -- I mixed a light toner for the Bowhaus system that will pull the warm gray UT inks to sepia. But in a single-toner inkset, the most neutral you'd be able to get is the current UT warm. > It is my understanding that with the original VM inks the black >and grays were identical in both the cool and the sepia set, >the difference being only in the toner that is used. No, the grays used in the VM-S inkset were the same as the FS-N grays. That is one reason the FS-N gray was cool. It was to keep the tones of the VM-S inkset neutral further down into the shadows. One problem I have with the VM-S inkset is that first the grays had to be toned cool to get a neutral. Then we added more color pigs to get it warm again -- too much color for me. I suppose if you have a quad and wanted a UT-VMS, the new UT-FSN could be used with a stronger UT sepia toner, but it, again, would have to use more color to get the sepia than the UT-2 dual toner approach can achieve. Paul www.PaulRoark.com ________________________
-----Original Message----- From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:34 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] MIS UT & 3000 Wendel, I already have some production UT-FSN in bulk. So, I suspect if you call MIS they'll sell it now. Paul www.PaulRoark.com _____________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Wendel White [mailto:wendel@blacktowns.org] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:46 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS UT & 3000 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-12-18 by Roger L Sopher
Carrying on with the same idea, more or less, do you think one could use the sepia toner from the current vm-s quad set with the UT-FSN black & grays to approximate vm-s or is the ink chemistry simply not compatible between the two formulations? Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:06 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] MIS UT & 3000
Roger,
>Does MIS have a sepia toner for the UT-VM ink set?
Sort of -- I mixed a light toner for the Bowhaus system that will pull the
warm gray UT inks to sepia. But in a single-toner inkset, the most
neutral
you'd be able to get is the current UT warm.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-12-19 by Paul Roark
Roger, >... do you think one could use the sepia toner from the current >vm-s quad set with the UT-FSN black & grays to >approximate vm-s or is the ink chemistry simply not compatible >between the two formulations? It would probably work, but the curves would need tweaking. Depending on the printer, I might be more inclined to just mix a sepia toner with about 15% each of MIS 7600 Y & M, with the remainder a light gray, like the UT lightest gray. (The light gray cuts the gamut of the toner and helps hide the dots.) That keeps the chemistry in the UT family, which has a number of advantages. One advantage of mixing your own is that there is a wide spectrum of sepia tones. You might as well take control of that variable so you can mix just what you want by varying the yellow/magenta ratio. Paul www.PaulRoark.com ________________________________
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:06 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] MIS UT & 3000
Roger,
>Does MIS have a sepia toner for the UT-VM ink set?
Sort of -- I mixed a light toner for the Bowhaus system that will pull the
warm gray UT inks to sepia. But in a single-toner inkset, the most
neutral
you'd be able to get is the current UT warm.
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