Digital BW, The Print

I don't think the Premier paper referred to here is the Epson PremierArt paper that Paul originally referrred to.  According to Epson their paper is available only in 205 gm and only comes in 8.5x11 and 12x12... this link is obviously not to the Epson paper.

 

Jerry in Houston

 

<<Subject: RE: Sizes of Epson PremierArt Matte Scrapbook 
Photo Paper

Carl,

You wrote:

>The Premier Premium Matte is a bright white paper 
with a smooth
>surface, similar to the Fine Art surface, but the 
heaviest weight
>available is only 210 gm, 11.4 mil thickness.  ...
>http://www.photowarehouse.biz/premier.html

$12.95 for 50 sheets of letter size could be a very 
good deal if its truly
acid free.

How does the dmax compare to EEM?

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com>>




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> I don't think the Premier paper referred to here is the Epson
> PremierArt paper that Paul originally referrred to.  According to
> Epson their paper is available only in 205 gm and only comes in
> 8.5x11 and 12x12... this link is obviously not to the Epson paper.
>

Here is Paul's original post - as I understand it the Epson PremierArt
(Ultrasmooth) paper is actually the PremierArt Fine Art Hot Pressed (which
comes in 205/250/325gsm) - Epson has just limited themselves to size and
weight :

> Epson UltraSmooth has been released by Epson as PremierArt Matte Scrapbook
> Photo Paper -- and at a reasonable price.

> >According to this web site, this paper is only in sheets
> >and only in 8.5" x 11" and 12" x 12"
> >...What about larger formats?
>
> See http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/media/index.html
>
> They have a list of dealers there.
>
> The one that sent me samples is Photo Warehouse, in Oxnard, CA.
>
> See http://www.photowarehouse.biz/
>
> Photo Warehouse has a catalog that indicates all the various
> sizes and rolls
> are available.
>
> I don't know why Epson is limiting itself.  I have a 24" roll
> from them that
> have been fine.  Maybe those of us who care are just too small a market to
> deal with.
>
> I think the most important thing about the Epson release is that
> it verifies
> that the PremierArt paper is, indeed, the same as the UltraSmooth.
>
> >I know Earnest Brooks printed his last show in Santa Barbara with Epson
> >UltraSmooth and it looked great - almost as good as your
> >stuff you had at the Solvang show :-) (notice I said 'almost' as good)
>
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

Jerry in Houston,

>I don't think the Premier paper referred to here is the
>Epson PremierArt paper that Paul originally referrred to.  ...

The Premier Premium Matte is new to me.  I'll see if I can get some samples.
For that price, I can't see how it could be a cotton-based paper.

On the other hand, an acid-free paper for that price is interesting and
makes me curious about it.

I wonder whether cheap "acid free" papers are really any "better" than EEM.

Here is what ArtFacts.org says on the subject:

"[I]n an attempt to stop the papers\ufffd deterioration, paper mills began
producing \ufffdacid-free\ufffd papers by the introduction of calcium carbonate during
the manufacturing process.  Calcium carbonate merely slowed the
deterioration; it was not until the lignin was removed that wood pulp papers
could meet the requirements of today\ufffds permanent papers. ..."

"When permanence in paper is desired, several characteristics other than the
\ufffdacid-free\ufffd designation must be considered. Paper has several important
characteristics: chemical (composition), mechanical (flexibility and tear
resistance), and optical (color change). ...

(http://www.artfacts.org/artinfo/ask4facts/faqs.html)

How we go beyond our acid test pens, however, is not clear.  At a minimum,
however, "lignin free" may be needed as well as "acid free."  While we can
test for pH, we have no easy lignin test.

So, if a paper is just represented as being "acid free," I'm not sure I'd
trust it for any long-term purposes.  If that is the case, then is the "acid
free" designation worth the lower dmax relative to EEM?  About all it might
do is give a print seller an excuse to tell a customer the paper is "acid
free" -- implying a degree of permanence that might not be there.

For archival purposes, I think I'll stick with "carbon on cotton."

The PremierArt Fine Art Hot Press is, I think, essentially the same as the
Epson Scrapbook, which I believe is the same as what I was given as Epson
"UltraSmooth."  It's said to be the real thing -- cotton.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com


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Carl,

You wrote:

>The Premier Premium Matte is a bright white paper
with a smooth
>surface, similar to the Fine Art surface, but the
heaviest weight
>available is only 210 gm, 11.4 mil thickness.  ...
>http://www.photowarehouse.biz/premier.html

$12.95 for 50 sheets of letter size could be a very
good deal if its truly
acid free.

How does the dmax compare to EEM?

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com>>




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> The PremierArt Fine Art Hot Press is, I think, essentially the same as the
> Epson Scrapbook, which I believe is the same as what I was given as Epson
> "UltraSmooth."  It's said to be the real thing -- cotton.
>

I'd add that I got hold of some of the Epson PremierArt Scrapbook and apart
from it being the lighter weight, it looks, feels and prints identically to
the PremierArt Fine Art Hot Pressed.



tim