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2003-10-31 by Peter Wiklund
What paper/film shall I use for printing negatives (with an Epson 870)? I will use the negatives for contact-printing. No, I havent yet got Dan Burkholder's book... /peter wiklumd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-10-31 by Mark Hahn
Take a look at this site: http://www.kcbx.net/~mhd/2photo/outneg/outneg0.htm Judging from all this author's other work I would expect that these recommendations are about as good as you can get (people who have seen his prints rave about the quality). He goes through the technical details at great length so I doubt that you even need to buy the book... except that it may be good reading... don't know. mark PS Epson Photo Quality Glossy Film is quite expensive. I have read from other sources that some people have reasonable luck with the cheap matte HP photoquality inkjet paper. When I hold Epson photoquality paper to a light it obviously is *not* the right choice. I have been debating going down this road myself as I prefer the look of *real* glazed photos. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Wiklund <Peter.Wiklund@j...> wrote: > What paper/film shall I use for printing negatives (with an Epson 870)?
> > I will use the negatives for contact-printing. > > No, I havent yet got Dan Burkholder's book... > > /peter wiklumd > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-11-01 by David R. Spielman
Mark, I've developed the Photoshop adjustment curve below for digital negatives used to print on silver/gelatin print material. In Out 0% 10% 5% 11.9% 10% 13.9% 20% 17.6% 30% 21.9% 40% 26.5% 50% 31.5% 60% 36.8% 70% 43.0% 80% 52.0% 90% 70.0% 95% 87.0% 100% 100% Using a Epson 2200, and Pictorico OHP material. Setup: photo black ink, Premium glossy photo paper setting, untagged grayscale image, printer source, same as source. Let the negative cure overnight before using. Works great! Best Regards, David R. Spielman
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hahn [mailto:markhahn2000@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:46 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: transparent "paper" for printing negatives?
Take a look at this site:
http://www.kcbx.net/~mhd/2photo/outneg/outneg0.htm
Judging from all this author's other work I would expect that these
recommendations are about as good as you can get (people who have
seen his prints rave about the quality). He goes through the
technical details at great length so I doubt that you even need to
buy the book... except that it may be good reading... don't know.
mark
PS Epson Photo Quality Glossy Film is quite expensive. I have read
from other sources that some people have reasonable luck with the
cheap matte HP photoquality inkjet paper. When I hold Epson
photoquality paper to a light it obviously is *not* the right
choice. I have been debating going down this road myself as I prefer
the look of *real* glazed photos.
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Wiklund
<Peter.Wiklund@j...> wrote:
> What paper/film shall I use for printing negatives (with an Epson
870)?
>
> I will use the negatives for contact-printing.
>
> No, I havent yet got Dan Burkholder's book...
>
> /peter wiklumd
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-11-01 by Stephen
David - Is that curve to be used for contact printing or enlargement? On what kind of paper? Stephen Petegorsky
2003-11-01 by frankg_photo
Is it possible to post some images/results of this negative>silver work ? I think many would be curious Frank ================= > Mark, > > I've developed the Photoshop adjustment curve below for digital negatives > used to print on silver/gelatin print material. > > In Out > 0% 10% > 5% 11.9% > 10% 13.9% > 20% 17.6% > 30% 21.9% > 40% 26.5% > 50% 31.5% > 60% 36.8% > 70% 43.0% > 80% 52.0% > 90% 70.0% > 95% 87.0% > 100% 100% > > Using a Epson 2200, and Pictorico OHP material. > Setup: photo black ink, > Premium glossy photo paper setting, untagged grayscale image, printer > source, same as source. Let the negative cure overnight before using. > > Works great! > > > Best Regards, > > David R. Spielman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hahn [mailto:markhahn2000@y...] > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:46 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: transparent "paper" for printing negatives? > > > Take a look at this site: > > http://www.kcbx.net/~mhd/2photo/outneg/outneg0.htm > > Judging from all this author's other work I would expect that these > recommendations are about as good as you can get (people who have > seen his prints rave about the quality). He goes through the > technical details at great length so I doubt that you even need to > buy the book... except that it may be good reading... don't know. > > mark > > PS Epson Photo Quality Glossy Film is quite expensive. I have read > from other sources that some people have reasonable luck with the > cheap matte HP photoquality inkjet paper. When I hold Epson > photoquality paper to a light it obviously is *not* the right > choice. I have been debating going down this road myself as I prefer > the look of *real* glazed photos. > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Wiklund > <Peter.Wiklund@j...> wrote: > > What paper/film shall I use for printing negatives (with an Epson > 870)? > > > > I will use the negatives for contact-printing. > > > > No, I havent yet got Dan Burkholder's book... > > > > /peter wiklumd > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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2003-11-01 by Martin Sluka
Have you try films from http://www.accuartmedia.com/? Martin At 11:17 +0100 31.10.2003, Peter Wiklund wrote: ******************************************* >What paper/film shall I use for printing negatives (with an Epson 870)? > >I will use the negatives for contact-printing. > >No, I havent yet got Dan Burkholder's book... > >/peter wiklumd --
2003-11-02 by David R. Spielman
Stephen, These inkjet negatives are used to make contact prints on conventional B&W silver/gelatin paper, never projection printed. You can use any kind of photographic paper you like, either RC/Machine processes, or fiber/wet processed. Best Regards, David R. Spielman
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen [mailto:petegorsky@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 6:25 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: transparent "paper" for printing negatives?
David - Is that curve to be used for contact printing or enlargement? On
what kind of paper?
Stephen Petegorsky
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-11-02 by David R. Spielman
Frank, I'm not sure what exactly one would post in this case. The prints from these negatives are on conventional silver/gelatin material. As with any photograph, the only way to really appreciate them is to examine them in person, 'up close and personal' as it were. Best Regards, David R. Spielman
-----Original Message-----
From: frankg_photo [mailto:fh.gross@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:44 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: transparent "paper" for printing negatives?
Is it possible to post some images/results of this negative>silver
work ?
I think many would be curious
Frank
=================
> Mark,
>
> I've developed the Photoshop adjustment curve below for digital
negatives
> used to print on silver/gelatin print material.
>
> In Out
> 0% 10%
> 5% 11.9%
> 10% 13.9%
> 20% 17.6%
> 30% 21.9%
> 40% 26.5%
> 50% 31.5%
> 60% 36.8%
> 70% 43.0%
> 80% 52.0%
> 90% 70.0%
> 95% 87.0%
> 100% 100%
>
> Using a Epson 2200, and Pictorico OHP material.
> Setup: photo black ink,
> Premium glossy photo paper setting, untagged grayscale image,
printer
> source, same as source. Let the negative cure overnight before
using.
>
> Works great!
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> David R. Spielman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Hahn [mailto:markhahn2000@y...]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:46 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: transparent "paper" for printing
negatives?
>
>
> Take a look at this site:
>
> http://www.kcbx.net/~mhd/2photo/outneg/outneg0.htm
>
> Judging from all this author's other work I would expect that
these
> recommendations are about as good as you can get (people who have
> seen his prints rave about the quality). He goes through the
> technical details at great length so I doubt that you even need to
> buy the book... except that it may be good reading... don't know.
>
> mark
>
> PS Epson Photo Quality Glossy Film is quite expensive. I have
read
> from other sources that some people have reasonable luck with the
> cheap matte HP photoquality inkjet paper. When I hold Epson
> photoquality paper to a light it obviously is *not* the right
> choice. I have been debating going down this road myself as I
prefer
> the look of *real* glazed photos.
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Wiklund
> <Peter.Wiklund@j...> wrote:
> > What paper/film shall I use for printing negatives (with an
Epson
> 870)?
> >
> > I will use the negatives for contact-printing.
> >
> > No, I havent yet got Dan Burkholder's book...
> >
> > /peter wiklumd
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-11-02 by frankg_photo
David, Yes, you are right. You have to actually hold and see the prints to tell - and even use a magnifier. I guess it's a fairly subjective opinion whether digital files printed on OHP material are comparable to (or as-good-as) regular negatives - both contact printed. To you they are ? ==================== > I'm not sure what exactly one would post in this case. The prints from these > negatives are on conventional silver/gelatin material. As with any > photograph, the only way to really appreciate them is to examine them in > person, 'up close and personal' as it were. > > Best Regards, > > David R. Spielman > > -----Original Message----- > From: frankg_photo [mailto:fh.gross@s...] > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:44 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: transparent "paper" for printing negatives? > > > > Is it possible to post some images/results of this negative>silver > work ? > I think many would be curious > Frank > > ================= > > Mark, > > > > I've developed the Photoshop adjustment curve below for digital > negatives > > used to print on silver/gelatin print material. > > > > In Out > > 0% 10% > > 5% 11.9% > > 10% 13.9% > > 20% 17.6% > > 30% 21.9% > > 40% 26.5% > > 50% 31.5% > > 60% 36.8% > > 70% 43.0% > > 80% 52.0% > > 90% 70.0% > > 95% 87.0% > > 100% 100% > > > > Using a Epson 2200, and Pictorico OHP material. > > Setup: photo black ink, > > Premium glossy photo paper setting, untagged grayscale image, > printer > > source, same as source. Let the negative cure overnight before > using. > > > > Works great! > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > David R. Spielman > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Hahn [mailto:markhahn2000@y...] > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:46 AM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: transparent "paper" for printing > negatives? > > > > > > Take a look at this site: > > > > http://www.kcbx.net/~mhd/2photo/outneg/outneg0.htm > > > > Judging from all this author's other work I would expect that > these > > recommendations are about as good as you can get (people who have > > seen his prints rave about the quality). He goes through the > > technical details at great length so I doubt that you even need to > > buy the book... except that it may be good reading... don't know. > > > > mark > > > > PS Epson Photo Quality Glossy Film is quite expensive. I have > read > > from other sources that some people have reasonable luck with the > > cheap matte HP photoquality inkjet paper. When I hold Epson > > photoquality paper to a light it obviously is *not* the right > > choice. I have been debating going down this road myself as I > prefer > > the look of *real* glazed photos. > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Wiklund > > <Peter.Wiklund@j...> wrote: > > > What paper/film shall I use for printing negatives (with an > Epson > > 870)? > > > > > > I will use the negatives for contact-printing. > > > > > > No, I havent yet got Dan Burkholder's book... > > > > > > /peter wiklumd > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > Polls and > > other resources as they are often being updated. 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2003-11-03 by David R. Spielman
Frank, Yes they are. They are also much cheaper to make than a random dot (stochastic) Imagesetter negatives that photographer Dan Burkholder wrote his wonderful book about. Best Regards, David R. Spielman
-----Original Message-----
From: frankg_photo [mailto:fh.gross@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 1:06 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: transparent "paper" for printing negatives?
David,
Yes, you are right. You have to actually hold and see the prints to
tell - and even use a magnifier.
I guess it's a fairly subjective opinion whether digital files
printed on OHP material are comparable to (or as-good-as) regular
negatives - both contact printed.
To you they are ?
====================
> I'm not sure what exactly one would post in this case. The prints
from these
> negatives are on conventional silver/gelatin material. As with any
> photograph, the only way to really appreciate them is to examine
them in
> person, 'up close and personal' as it were.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> David R. Spielman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frankg_photo [mailto:fh.gross@s...]
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:44 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: transparent "paper" for printing
negatives?
>
>
>
> Is it possible to post some images/results of this negative>silver
> work ?
> I think many would be curious
> Frank
>
> =================
> > Mark,
> >
> > I've developed the Photoshop adjustment curve below for digital
> negatives
> > used to print on silver/gelatin print material.
> >
> > In Out
> > 0% 10%
> > 5% 11.9%
> > 10% 13.9%
> > 20% 17.6%
> > 30% 21.9%
> > 40% 26.5%
> > 50% 31.5%
> > 60% 36.8%
> > 70% 43.0%
> > 80% 52.0%
> > 90% 70.0%
> > 95% 87.0%
> > 100% 100%
> >
> > Using a Epson 2200, and Pictorico OHP material.
> > Setup: photo black ink,
> > Premium glossy photo paper setting, untagged grayscale image,
> printer
> > source, same as source. Let the negative cure overnight before
> using.
> >
> > Works great!
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > David R. Spielman
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Hahn [mailto:markhahn2000@y...]
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:46 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: transparent "paper" for printing
> negatives?
> >
> >
> > Take a look at this site:
> >
> > http://www.kcbx.net/~mhd/2photo/outneg/outneg0.htm
> >
> > Judging from all this author's other work I would expect that
> these
> > recommendations are about as good as you can get (people who
have
> > seen his prints rave about the quality). He goes through the
> > technical details at great length so I doubt that you even
need to
> > buy the book... except that it may be good reading... don't
know.
> >
> > mark
> >
> > PS Epson Photo Quality Glossy Film is quite expensive. I
have
> read
> > from other sources that some people have reasonable luck with
the
> > cheap matte HP photoquality inkjet paper. When I hold Epson
> > photoquality paper to a light it obviously is *not* the right
> > choice. I have been debating going down this road myself as I
> prefer
> > the look of *real* glazed photos.
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter
Wiklund
> > <Peter.Wiklund@j...> wrote:
> > > What paper/film shall I use for printing negatives (with an
> Epson
> > 870)?
> > >
> > > I will use the negatives for contact-printing.
> > >
> > > No, I havent yet got Dan Burkholder's book...
> > >
> > > /peter wiklumd
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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