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Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

Earlier the issue of panorama paper was brought up by John Brownlow 
(Post #46) and I don't want the thread to die out without an answer. 
While there are art paper options for the big printers in rolls there 
is a need for Panorama sized paper for the desktop models.

In checking around the web I have not turned up anything at all, 
nothing.

Does anyone know of any quality paper that is being sold in say a 
13X26 or longer size? Or better yet 13" or 17" rolls? (Epson makes 
the Photo Paper in 4" and 13"(?) rolls I believe but this is not my 
idea of quality paper. Jump in if you disagree.)

If not, is there anyway to special order from any of the major 
manufacturers/suppliers like Crane, Hahnemule, Arches, Legion, 
Brightcube, Lyson, Hawk Mountain, Lumijet, etc..?

This is a tough one because while there are roll adapters for the 
desktop printers they definitely were not designed for a nice 310 gsm 
paper so there is no obvious motivation to supply rolls!

But if there were 13" and 17" wide rolls of art paper you could just 
cut off the length you wanted and hand feed it. That way you could do 
1:2, 1:3, 1:4, or 1:?  panorama's as desired.

Any ideas on how to get something like this?

It would be really great to have a 12" by 36" B&W print matted and 
framed up on the wall!!!

Martin

Re: Panorama Paper: 13" -wide rolls?

2001-08-03 by antonisphoto@yahoo.com

Another use for fine art papers in desktop roll sizes is simply to avoid 
handfeeding. 

Someone using a CIS and making a few dozen prints could let the thing run 
for a while. Cutting them may be more efficient and offer more format choices 
than having to sit there feeding individual sheets.  Clog-resistance is, of 
course, required, but not impossible to achieve in a single run.

Antonis



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
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> Does anyone know of any quality paper that is being sold in say a 
> 13X26 or longer size? Or better yet 13" or 17" rolls? (Epson makes 
> the Photo Paper in 4" and 13"(?) rolls I believe but this is not my 
> idea of quality paper. Jump in if you disagree.)
> 
> If not, is there anyway to special order from any of the major 
> manufacturers/suppliers like Crane, Hahnemule, Arches, Legion, 
> Brightcube, Lyson, Hawk Mountain, Lumijet, etc..?

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by Johnny Deadman

on 8/2/01 11:03 PM, mwesley250@... at mwesley250@...
wrote:

> Earlier the issue of panorama paper was brought up by John Brownlow
> (Post #46) and I don't want the thread to die out without an answer.
> While there are art paper options for the big printers in rolls there
> is a need for Panorama sized paper for the desktop models.

Thanks boss. This is an interesting question. The panoramic format seems to
be exploding at the moment due to the availablity of high quality stitching
programs etc. Good! Perhaps because of unfamiliarity panoramic photos
(especially 360s) have a *wow* quality we have not seen in photography for
some time. I have been experimenting recently and the possibility of
stitching together separate 35mm or digital frames opens up entirely new
avenues, many entirely unexplored.

> But if there were 13" and 17" wide rolls of art paper you could just
> cut off the length you wanted and hand feed it. That way you could do
> 1:2, 1:3, 1:4, or 1:?  panorama's as desired.
> 
> Any ideas on how to get something like this?
> 
> It would be really great to have a 12" by 36" B&W print matted and
> framed up on the wall!!!

indeed. I would just be happy to have an 8" x 27" print right now, but the
*really* interesting part of stitched photos is that the resolution is
fairly independent of the format it's shot in. Using spherical mapping
programs you can comp together arbitrarily large images from whatever format
you like. I can shoot something on 35mm that basically looks like 4x5
because when you stitch all the negatives together you have one huge
(virtual) negative. It would be nice to be able to output this.


-- 
John Brownlow

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

ICQ: 109343205

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Johnny Deadman <john@p...> 
wrote:
> on 8/2/01 11:03 PM, mwesley250@e... at mwesley250@e...
> wrote:
> 
> > Earlier the issue of panorama paper was brought up by John 
Brownlow
> > (Post #46) and I don't want the thread to die out without an 
answer.
> > While there are art paper options for the big printers in rolls 
there
> > is a need for Panorama sized paper for the desktop models.
> 
> Thanks boss. This is an interesting question. The panoramic format 
seems to
> be exploding at the moment due to the availablity of high quality 
stitching
> programs etc. Good! Perhaps because of unfamiliarity panoramic 
photos
> (especially 360s) have a *wow* quality we have not seen in 
photography for
> some time. I have been experimenting recently and the possibility of
> stitching together separate 35mm or digital frames opens up 
entirely new
> avenues, many entirely unexplored.

John,

I have tried some 360's with a digital camera and they are really 
cool until I printed them out on an 8.5 X 11 sheet. BIG let down. 
Even going up to 13 X 19 would do very little good.

Inkjets are perfect for this if you have the right paper. There is no 
good way to easily do this in the darkroom. How long is a 35mm Spin 
Shot neg?

> 
(snip)
> 
> indeed. I would just be happy to have an 8" x 27" print right now, 
but the
> *really* interesting part of stitched photos is that the resolution 
is
> fairly independent of the format it's shot in. Using spherical 
mapping
> programs you can comp together arbitrarily large images from 
whatever format
> you like. I can shoot something on 35mm that basically looks like 
4x5
> because when you stitch all the negatives together you have one huge
> (virtual) negative. It would be nice to be able to output this.

This is on my to do list. I don't know if my computer could handle it 
but I would like to try stitching some 85MB scans of 6X7 negs. What 
software are you using for your stiching?

Martin

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by antonisphoto@yahoo.com

Martin,

do you know about this software from Germany?
http://www.fh-furtwangen.de/~dersch/

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
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> This is on my to do list. I don't know if my computer could handle it 
> but I would like to try stitching some 85MB scans of 6X7 negs. What 
> software are you using for your stiching?
> 
> Martin

Re:Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by antonisphoto@yahoo.com

Useful reference for panoramic work is Mark Crabtree's site at:
http://homepage.mac.com/crabtree/panoramic.htm

He mentions using a #10 Cirkut Camera and 10"x46" negative!

Pretty exotic stuff! 

Antonis

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by Steadman Uhlich

I think the best cost effective solution is buy the roll, cut off the 36 inch length and hand feed it.  Roll adaptors made for photo (lightweight paper) are probably not built to handle a heavy roll...longterm.  also, skip the roll adaptor...save more money for more paper!

Steadman
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mwesley250@... 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:03 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper


  Earlier the issue of panorama paper was brought up by John Brownlow 
  (Post #46) and I don't want the thread to die out without an answer. 
  While there are art paper options for the big printers in rolls there 
  is a need for Panorama sized paper for the desktop models.

  In checking around the web I have not turned up anything at all, 
  nothing.

  Does anyone know of any quality paper that is being sold in say a 
  13X26 or longer size? Or better yet 13" or 17" rolls? (Epson makes 
  the Photo Paper in 4" and 13"(?) rolls I believe but this is not my 
  idea of quality paper. Jump in if you disagree.)

  If not, is there anyway to special order from any of the major 
  manufacturers/suppliers like Crane, Hahnemule, Arches, Legion, 
  Brightcube, Lyson, Hawk Mountain, Lumijet, etc..?

  This is a tough one because while there are roll adapters for the 
  desktop printers they definitely were not designed for a nice 310 gsm 
  paper so there is no obvious motivation to supply rolls!

  But if there were 13" and 17" wide rolls of art paper you could just 
  cut off the length you wanted and hand feed it. That way you could do 
  1:2, 1:3, 1:4, or 1:?  panorama's as desired.

  Any ideas on how to get something like this?

  It would be really great to have a 12" by 36" B&W print matted and 
  framed up on the wall!!!

  Martin




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Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by Johnny Deadman

on 8/2/01 11:26 PM, mwesley250@... at mwesley250@...
wrote:

> I have tried some 360's with a digital camera and they are really
> cool until I printed them out on an 8.5 X 11 sheet. BIG let down.
> Even going up to 13 X 19 would do very little good.
> 
> Inkjets are perfect for this if you have the right paper. There is no
> good way to easily do this in the darkroom. How long is a 35mm Spin
> Shot neg?

About 7 or 8 inches I think.

Yes, the panos don't work at all well at small sizes. To a certain extent
wider the lens the easier they are to print because the aspect ratio of a
360 shot is proportional to focal length. A 360 shot with a 35 is long and
thin, with a 17 it is not quite so long and thin but the perspective is
extreme, which is fine for some subjects.

> This is on my to do list. I don't know if my computer could handle it
> but I would like to try stitching some 85MB scans of 6X7 negs. What
> software are you using for your stiching?

I was fantasizing about stitching together 4x5 negs shot with a 90mm lens.
You would need about nine or ten for a 360 degree panorama. You could then,
with current technology, output a 2' x 12' print of astounding resolution.
The file size would be scary of course... 200 Mb for a flat 8-bit grayscale,
600 Mb for color... but by no means impossible to handle.

Even a print half this size would be amazing with 4x5 quality.

I have been experimenting with various kinds of software. The only method
that is really acceptable IMO is to use Helmut Dersch's panotools to do all
the optimisation and remapping, output tiffs and layer these together
manually in Photoshop. There are no compromises with this method, and it can
handle anything you throw at it.
-- 
John Brownlow

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

ICQ: 109343205

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

Antonis,

No I was not familiar with them. It looks very good and I can't 
believe it is "freeware" There also appear to be a lot of good links 
to other resources too.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., antonisphoto@y... wrote:
> Martin,
> 
> do you know about this software from Germany?
> http://www.fh-furtwangen.de/~dersch/
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> 
> > This is on my to do list. I don't know if my computer could 
handle it 
> > but I would like to try stitching some 85MB scans of 6X7 negs. 
What 
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> > software are you using for your stiching?
> > 
> > Martin

Re:Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

Antonis,

That is a facinating site! I wonder where he gets his 10X46 film and 
how he developes it! Not to mention printing. There is no doubt a way 
to do it, but scanning one of those negs would be a challenge.

I wonder what he would think of stitching and printing on an Epson 
7000 or 9000. Images at say 34" by 156" would be literally 
monumental. And then to find a wall.

But you could go for his effect, 9.5 by 45, using any camera, scan, 
stitch, print on an Epson 1160 or 1200 using any of the ink sets **IF 
WE ONLY HAD THE PAPER**!! This is really frustrating!

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., antonisphoto@y... wrote:
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> Useful reference for panoramic work is Mark Crabtree's site at:
> http://homepage.mac.com/crabtree/panoramic.htm
> 
> He mentions using a #10 Cirkut Camera and 10"x46" negative!
> 
> Pretty exotic stuff! 
> 
> Antonis

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by Johnny Deadman

on 8/3/01 11:45 AM, mwesley250@... at mwesley250@...
wrote:

> Antonis,
> 
> No I was not familiar with them. It looks very good and I can't
> believe it is "freeware" There also appear to be a lot of good links
> to other resources too.
> 
> Martin

These are the tools I was referring to. They do a wonderful job, though it
takes some headscratching at first. One day someone will wrap a slick
interface around them and charge a thousand dollars for it.

They also, quite incidentally, can correct all sorts of lens distortions
such as barrel, pincushion, vignetting and so on.

There is a good mailing list associated with the tools. The link is on the
site.

I just finished making my own panoramic (nodal point) mount from a few
pieces of wood and some 1/4" x 20 nuts and bolts. It works perfectly.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., antonisphoto@y... wrote:
>> Martin,
>> 
>> do you know about this software from Germany?
>> http://www.fh-furtwangen.de/~dersch/

-- 
John Brownlow

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

ICQ: 109343205

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

Steadman,

You're absolutely right about the Epson roll adapters for the desktop 
models. I unfortunately bought the roll adapter for my 1270 and I 
doubt its ability to handle even Epson's paper! Probably fine for 
mass producing family snap shots off a 4" roll but not for heavy 
papers.

I thought about cutting 13" X 36" strips off of 36" wide rolls but 
you would need a good cutter. I don't think that the desktop printers 
would tolerate much variation in paper width if you couldn't get a 
straight cut.

I might be able to do it with my mat cutter. A 36" Rotatrim would be 
better but cost about $365. Of course you could buy a Rotatrim 99" 
DIGITECH CUTTER for about $1,000 and get just about anything you 
wanted out of any current rolls or sheets. Aside from the cost there 
is the old where do I put it when I'm not using it issue.

I would just as soon have a paper in a 13" wide roll I could cut at 
any length with the 20" Rotatrim I already have.

Martin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> I think the best cost effective solution is buy the roll, cut off 
the 36 inch length and hand feed it.  Roll adaptors made for photo 
(lightweight paper) are probably not built to handle a heavy 
roll...longterm.  also, skip the roll adaptor...save more money for 
more paper!
> 
> Steadman
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: mwesley250@e... 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... 
>   Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:03 PM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper
> 
> 
>   Earlier the issue of panorama paper was brought up by John 
Brownlow 
>   (Post #46) and I don't want the thread to die out without an 
answer. 
>   While there are art paper options for the big printers in rolls 
there 
>   is a need for Panorama sized paper for the desktop models.
> 
>   In checking around the web I have not turned up anything at all, 
>   nothing.
> 
>   Does anyone know of any quality paper that is being sold in say a 
>   13X26 or longer size? Or better yet 13" or 17" rolls? (Epson 
makes 
>   the Photo Paper in 4" and 13"(?) rolls I believe but this is not 
my 
>   idea of quality paper. Jump in if you disagree.)
> 
>   If not, is there anyway to special order from any of the major 
>   manufacturers/suppliers like Crane, Hahnemule, Arches, Legion, 
>   Brightcube, Lyson, Hawk Mountain, Lumijet, etc..?
> 
>   This is a tough one because while there are roll adapters for the 
>   desktop printers they definitely were not designed for a nice 310 
gsm 
>   paper so there is no obvious motivation to supply rolls!
> 
>   But if there were 13" and 17" wide rolls of art paper you could 
just 
>   cut off the length you wanted and hand feed it. That way you 
could do 
>   1:2, 1:3, 1:4, or 1:?  panorama's as desired.
> 
>   Any ideas on how to get something like this?
> 
>   It would be really great to have a 12" by 36" B&W print matted 
and 
>   framed up on the wall!!!
> 
>   Martin
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   If you do not wish to belong to Digital B&W, The Print, you may
>   unsubscribe by sending an email to:
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> 
> 
> 
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Service. 
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Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

John,

Looks like good stuff but a bit of a learning curve . I will download 
it and take it out for a spin.

Is that a camera mount?

Thanks,
Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Johnny Deadman <john@p...> 
wrote:
> on 8/3/01 11:45 AM, mwesley250@e... at mwesley250@e...
> wrote:
> 
> > Antonis,
> > 
> > No I was not familiar with them. It looks very good and I can't
> > believe it is "freeware" There also appear to be a lot of good 
links
> > to other resources too.
> > 
> > Martin
> 
> These are the tools I was referring to. They do a wonderful job, 
though it
> takes some headscratching at first. One day someone will wrap a 
slick
> interface around them and charge a thousand dollars for it.
> 
> They also, quite incidentally, can correct all sorts of lens 
distortions
> such as barrel, pincushion, vignetting and so on.
> 
> There is a good mailing list associated with the tools. The link is 
on the
> site.
> 
> I just finished making my own panoramic (nodal point) mount from a 
few
> pieces of wood and some 1/4" x 20 nuts and bolts. It works 
perfectly.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., antonisphoto@y... wrote:
> >> Martin,
> >> 
> >> do you know about this software from Germany?
> >> http://www.fh-furtwangen.de/~dersch/
> 
> -- 
> John Brownlow
> 
> http://www.pinkheadedbug.com
> 
> ICQ: 109343205

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by Johnny Deadman

on 8/3/01 1:35 PM, mwesley250@... at mwesley250@...
wrote:

> Is that a camera mount?

yes a mount which holds the camera vertical with the nodal point of the lens
over the axis of rotation. Mine is made of wood with settings for a 17mm and
24mm lens mounted on my T90, and has a rotator built in to it, plus quick
release clamps for both camera and mount (the most expensive part of the
rig!). 

Sounds much more complicated than it is. It removes parallax problems.

    
-- 
John Brownlow

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

ICQ: 109343205

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by Rodolpho Pajuaba

> 
> These are the tools I was referring to. They do a wonderful job, though it
> takes some headscratching at first. One day someone will wrap a slick
> interface around them and charge a thousand dollars for it.
> 
Actually, there is a very good interface for Dr. Dersch's tools, called
PTGui.(www.ptgui.com) It's last version is shareware (about US$ 40,00), but
is windows only. To work with them on the Mac, one should use the PTPicker
(which comes in the package), it's the easiest entry to this software.
My two cents,
Rodolpho Pajuaba

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by Rodolpho Pajuaba

> 
> These are the tools I was referring to. They do a wonderful job, though it
> takes some headscratching at first. One day someone will wrap a slick
> interface around them and charge a thousand dollars for it.
> 
Actually, there is a very good interface for Dr. Dersch's tools, called
PTGui.(www.ptgui.com) It's last version is shareware (about US$ 40,00), but
is windows only. To work with them on the Mac, one should use the PTPicker
(which comes in the package), it's the easiest entry to this software.

Hope this helps,
Rodolpho Pajuaba



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Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by Johnny Deadman

on 8/3/01 3:17 PM, Rodolpho Pajuaba at rodolpho@... wrote:

>> These are the tools I was referring to. They do a wonderful job, though it
>> takes some headscratching at first. One day someone will wrap a slick
>> interface around them and charge a thousand dollars for it.
>> 
> Actually, there is a very good interface for Dr. Dersch's tools, called
> PTGui.(www.ptgui.com) It's last version is shareware (about US$ 40,00), but
> is windows only. To work with them on the Mac, one should use the PTPicker
> (which comes in the package), it's the easiest entry to this software.
> My two cents,

yeah I have both of these and run PTgui under Virtual PC on the mac. But
neither is a really *slick* interface compared to Realviz stitcher or even
the venerable QTVR Authoring Studio.
-- 
John Brownlow

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

ICQ: 109343205

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-03 by Steadman Uhlich

Martin, 
I follow your thinking. 

But I differ.  I think it would not be too hard to take a 36" wide roll, unroll a 36" length, cut it to that length, take that to a flat surface, get a 36" yard stick, measure, mark paper, hold yardstick to paper and use as a straightedge, cut into 13" wide strips with a rotary trimmer.  

Cutting mat board straight is tough.  300gsm paper will be easy using the right tools.

Rotary Trimmer: 
Go to a Michaels art store or similar and get a handheld rotary trimmer for about $6. They are made by fiskars and others and used by crafters (people who make quilts of fabric and scrapbooks and paper crafts).  These rotary trimmers even have interchangeable wheels so you could make your paper cute on the edge with scalloped edges (grin) or even put a faux "deckle edge" on the strip of paper.  

Use a piece of mat board or foamcore under your paper.They look like a pizza cutter (that could work too) and work wonders if used with a straightedge.  Cheap and efficient.  Keep the rest on the roll for storage. 

That is what I would/will do. 

Regards, 
Steadman
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mwesley250@... 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper


  Steadman,

  You're absolutely right about the Epson roll adapters for the desktop 
  models. I unfortunately bought the roll adapter for my 1270 and I 
  doubt its ability to handle even Epson's paper! Probably fine for 
  mass producing family snap shots off a 4" roll but not for heavy 
  papers.

  I thought about cutting 13" X 36" strips off of 36" wide rolls but 
  you would need a good cutter. I don't think that the desktop printers 
  would tolerate much variation in paper width if you couldn't get a 
  straight cut.

  I might be able to do it with my mat cutter. A 36" Rotatrim would be 
  better but cost about $365. Of course you could buy a Rotatrim 99" 
  DIGITECH CUTTER for about $1,000 and get just about anything you 
  wanted out of any current rolls or sheets. Aside from the cost there 
  is the old where do I put it when I'm not using it issue.

  I would just as soon have a paper in a 13" wide roll I could cut at 
  any length with the 20" Rotatrim I already have.

  Martin


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
  <steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
  > I think the best cost effective solution is buy the roll, cut off 
  the 36 inch length and hand feed it.  Roll adaptors made for photo 
  (lightweight paper) are probably not built to handle a heavy 
  roll...longterm.  also, skip the roll adaptor...save more money for 
  more paper!
  > 
  > Steadman
  > 
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: mwesley250@e... 
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... 
  >   Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:03 PM
  >   Subject: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper
  > 
  > 
  >   Earlier the issue of panorama paper was brought up by John 
  Brownlow 
  >   (Post #46) and I don't want the thread to die out without an 
  answer. 
  >   While there are art paper options for the big printers in rolls 
  there 
  >   is a need for Panorama sized paper for the desktop models.
  > 
  >   In checking around the web I have not turned up anything at all, 
  >   nothing.
  > 
  >   Does anyone know of any quality paper that is being sold in say a 
  >   13X26 or longer size? Or better yet 13" or 17" rolls? (Epson 
  makes 
  >   the Photo Paper in 4" and 13"(?) rolls I believe but this is not 
  my 
  >   idea of quality paper. Jump in if you disagree.)
  > 
  >   If not, is there anyway to special order from any of the major 
  >   manufacturers/suppliers like Crane, Hahnemule, Arches, Legion, 
  >   Brightcube, Lyson, Hawk Mountain, Lumijet, etc..?
  > 
  >   This is a tough one because while there are roll adapters for the 
  >   desktop printers they definitely were not designed for a nice 310 
  gsm 
  >   paper so there is no obvious motivation to supply rolls!
  > 
  >   But if there were 13" and 17" wide rolls of art paper you could 
  just 
  >   cut off the length you wanted and hand feed it. That way you 
  could do 
  >   1:2, 1:3, 1:4, or 1:?  panorama's as desired.
  > 
  >   Any ideas on how to get something like this?
  > 
  >   It would be really great to have a 12" by 36" B&W print matted 
  and 
  >   framed up on the wall!!!
  > 
  >   Martin
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >   If you do not wish to belong to Digital B&W, The Print, you may
  >   unsubscribe by sending an email to:
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  > 
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Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-04 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

John,

Sounds interesting. Did you get the design off the web or is this 
your own invention?

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Johnny Deadman <john@p...> 
wrote:
> on 8/3/01 1:35 PM, mwesley250@e... at mwesley250@e...
> wrote:
> 
> > Is that a camera mount?
> 
> yes a mount which holds the camera vertical with the nodal point of 
the lens
> over the axis of rotation. Mine is made of wood with settings for a 
17mm and
> 24mm lens mounted on my T90, and has a rotator built in to it, plus 
quick
> release clamps for both camera and mount (the most expensive part 
of the
> rig!). 
> 
> Sounds much more complicated than it is. It removes parallax 
problems.
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> -- 
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Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-04 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

Thanks for the tip! It looks a little friendier to get started with.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Rodolpho Pajuaba 
<rodolpho@p...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > These are the tools I was referring to. They do a wonderful job, 
though it
> > takes some headscratching at first. One day someone will wrap a 
slick
> > interface around them and charge a thousand dollars for it.
> > 
> Actually, there is a very good interface for Dr. Dersch's tools, 
called
> PTGui.(www.ptgui.com) It's last version is shareware (about US$ 
40,00), but
> is windows only. To work with them on the Mac, one should use the 
PTPicker
> (which comes in the package), it's the easiest entry to this 
software.
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Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-04 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

Steadman,

Well I did use to cut mat board with a straight edge and an Exacto 
knife. If you cut two 13" wide strips off the two finished edges you 
would have one perfect edge on each sheet.

The rotary trimmer sounds interesting.

This would probably work for the size panoramas I had in mind, 1:3 so 
13x36 would be nice. For what John had in mind I don't know. A 360 
Spinshot at a 1:7 or 1:8 would need about 13 by 90.

Come to think of it though isn't there a length limit with the Epson 
desktop printers at 44". You could probably hand cut to that length.

Thanks for the good ideas. I think I need to decide what paper I want 
to settle on before I buy a 36" roll and attack it.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> Martin, 
> I follow your thinking. 
> 
> But I differ.  I think it would not be too hard to take a 36" wide 
roll, unroll a 36" length, cut it to that length, take that to a flat 
surface, get a 36" yard stick, measure, mark paper, hold yardstick to 
paper and use as a straightedge, cut into 13" wide strips with a 
rotary trimmer.  
> 
> Cutting mat board straight is tough.  300gsm paper will be easy 
using the right tools.
> 
> Rotary Trimmer: 
> Go to a Michaels art store or similar and get a handheld rotary 
trimmer for about $6. They are made by fiskars and others and used by 
crafters (people who make quilts of fabric and scrapbooks and paper 
crafts).  These rotary trimmers even have interchangeable wheels so 
you could make your paper cute on the edge with scalloped edges 
(grin) or even put a faux "deckle edge" on the strip of paper.  
> 
> Use a piece of mat board or foamcore under your paper.They look 
like a pizza cutter (that could work too) and work wonders if used 
with a straightedge.  Cheap and efficient.  Keep the rest on the roll 
for storage. 
> 
> That is what I would/will do. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Steadman
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: mwesley250@e... 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... 
>   Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:17 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper
> 
> 
>   Steadman,
> 
>   You're absolutely right about the Epson roll adapters for the 
desktop 
>   models. I unfortunately bought the roll adapter for my 1270 and I 
>   doubt its ability to handle even Epson's paper! Probably fine for 
>   mass producing family snap shots off a 4" roll but not for heavy 
>   papers.
> 
>   I thought about cutting 13" X 36" strips off of 36" wide rolls 
but 
>   you would need a good cutter. I don't think that the desktop 
printers 
>   would tolerate much variation in paper width if you couldn't get 
a 
>   straight cut.
> 
>   I might be able to do it with my mat cutter. A 36" Rotatrim would 
be 
>   better but cost about $365. Of course you could buy a Rotatrim 
99" 
>   DIGITECH CUTTER for about $1,000 and get just about anything you 
>   wanted out of any current rolls or sheets. Aside from the cost 
there 
>   is the old where do I put it when I'm not using it issue.
> 
>   I would just as soon have a paper in a 13" wide roll I could cut 
at 
>   any length with the 20" Rotatrim I already have.
> 
>   Martin
> 
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
>   <steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
>   > I think the best cost effective solution is buy the roll, cut 
off 
>   the 36 inch length and hand feed it.  Roll adaptors made for 
photo 
>   (lightweight paper) are probably not built to handle a heavy 
>   roll...longterm.  also, skip the roll adaptor...save more money 
for 
>   more paper!
>   > 
>   > Steadman
>   > 
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: mwesley250@e... 
>   >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... 
>   >   Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:03 PM
>   >   Subject: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Earlier the issue of panorama paper was brought up by John 
>   Brownlow 
>   >   (Post #46) and I don't want the thread to die out without an 
>   answer. 
>   >   While there are art paper options for the big printers in 
rolls 
>   there 
>   >   is a need for Panorama sized paper for the desktop models.
>   > 
>   >   In checking around the web I have not turned up anything at 
all, 
>   >   nothing.
>   > 
>   >   Does anyone know of any quality paper that is being sold in 
say a 
>   >   13X26 or longer size? Or better yet 13" or 17" rolls? (Epson 
>   makes 
>   >   the Photo Paper in 4" and 13"(?) rolls I believe but this is 
not 
>   my 
>   >   idea of quality paper. Jump in if you disagree.)
>   > 
>   >   If not, is there anyway to special order from any of the 
major 
>   >   manufacturers/suppliers like Crane, Hahnemule, Arches, 
Legion, 
>   >   Brightcube, Lyson, Hawk Mountain, Lumijet, etc..?
>   > 
>   >   This is a tough one because while there are roll adapters for 
the 
>   >   desktop printers they definitely were not designed for a nice 
310 
>   gsm 
>   >   paper so there is no obvious motivation to supply rolls!
>   > 
>   >   But if there were 13" and 17" wide rolls of art paper you 
could 
>   just 
>   >   cut off the length you wanted and hand feed it. That way you 
>   could do 
>   >   1:2, 1:3, 1:4, or 1:?  panorama's as desired.
>   > 
>   >   Any ideas on how to get something like this?
>   > 
>   >   It would be really great to have a 12" by 36" B&W print 
matted 
>   and 
>   >   framed up on the wall!!!
>   > 
>   >   Martin
>   > 
>   > 
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Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-04 by Robert Rex

Ok, guys, I'll bite.  But I have a few questions.  Perhaps Martin and/or
Antonis (as the list-owners) can develop a poll through yahoo groups and
this list where the rest of photo/piezo-graphers can check in:
1) what's the longest panoramic print you would make?
2) would you except sheets instead of rolls
3) how many of you would buy this "specially" developed product

an easier way for y'all to make your prints would be to buy our (or others,
but preferably Crane's <g>) large sheets like 35x47 or 24x36.  this can be
cut with a guillotine at any commercial printers into 13x44, etc.  Yes, our
365 gsm will feed through a 1270, 2000,and even a 750!  Probably wouldn't
want to make a habit of it though.  It's my understanding that these
desktop printers (1270, 1280, 2000) won't print an image longer than 44".
Is this true, do one of you have other experience?  If it is true, then:
4) why would you bother with a fine art roll paper (which is going to give
you some degree of roll set), when you could buy larger (MUSEO--extra plug,
sorry) sheets.

if this is a product which many of you would be buying on a regular basis,
then perhaps i can do some convincing to convert some of our larger sheets
into 13x44's.

Antonis, Martin: can y'all set up a poll to determine how many
piezo/photo-graphers are amongst us who would be interested in this?

hope this helps,
robert rex

At 03:03 AM 8/3/01 -0000, you wrote:
>  Earlier the issue of panorama paper was brought up by John Brownlow 
> (Post #46) and I don't want the thread to die out without an answer. 
> While there are art paper options for the big printers in rolls there 
> is a need for Panorama sized paper for the desktop models.
> 
> In checking around the web I have not turned up anything at all, 
> nothing.
> 
> Does anyone know of any quality paper that is being sold in say a 
>"" rolls? (Epson makes 
>""(?) rolls I believe but this is not my 
> idea of quality paper. Jump in if you disagree.)
> 
> If not, is there anyway to special order from any of the major 
> manufacturers/suppliers like Crane, Hahnemule, Arches, Legion, 
> Brightcube, Lyson, Hawk Mountain, Lumijet, etc..?
> 
> This is a tough one because while there are roll adapters for the 
> desktop printers they definitely were not designed for a nice 310 gsm 
> paper so there is no obvious motivation to supply rolls!
> 
>"" wide rolls of art paper you could just 
> cut off the length you wanted and hand feed it. That way you could do 
>  panorama's as desired.
> 
> Any ideas on how to get something like this?
> 
>""&W print matted and 
> framed up on the wall!!!
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
>    
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Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-05 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

Robert,

Thank you very much for taking a shot at this. I will set up the poll 
this evening with the following questions:

1. I have no interest in panorama art paper.
2. I have a slight interest.
3. I would buy 13" by 44" sheets.
4. I would buy 13" wide rolls.
5. I would buy 35 by 47 sheets to cut myself.

A brief check confirms that all the Epson models list a 44" length 
maximum. So, unless there is a way around this with third party 
drivers, there is no point in looking at longer sheets. Asking for 
multiple sizes such as 26" or 36" long doesn't make much sense. If we 
are going to ask for a panorama paper size, it might as well be as 
long as the maximum print area.

The 17" wide paper is a mute issue since the Epson 3000 is apparently 
limited in length to 22".

If anyone has more or different information on the maximum print 
length please let me know ASAP.

When the poll goes up a message will automatically be posted 
announcing that it is open and giving you a web address to click to 
take you to the poll. You can also reach the poll by clicking 
on "Polls" in the left hand frame of the group home page. Click on 
the poll question and then make you selections and click "Vote."

If you have no interest at all in panorama paper please vote in the 
poll to that effect. The vote is secret. You can change your vote at 
anytime until the poll is closed. I will announce that the poll is 
closing 24 hours before hand. Once the poll is closed the results 
will be posted.

Once again thanks to Robert Rex and Crane for addressing this topic 
to the group. It is not often that you get the chance to state your 
needs and desires directly to a manufacturer. Please take advantage.

Martin Wesley

P.S. Your moderators are novices at this so please bear with any 
confusion that may ensue.




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Rex <chameleon@i...> 
wrote:
> Ok, guys, I'll bite.  But I have a few questions.  Perhaps Martin 
and/or
> Antonis (as the list-owners) can develop a poll through yahoo 
groups and
> this list where the rest of photo/piezo-graphers can check in:
> 1) what's the longest panoramic print you would make?
> 2) would you except sheets instead of rolls
> 3) how many of you would buy this "specially" developed product
> 
> an easier way for y'all to make your prints would be to buy our (or 
others,
> but preferably Crane's <g>) large sheets like 35x47 or 24x36.  this 
can be
> cut with a guillotine at any commercial printers into 13x44, etc.  
Yes, our
> 365 gsm will feed through a 1270, 2000,and even a 750!  Probably 
wouldn't
> want to make a habit of it though.  It's my understanding that these
> desktop printers (1270, 1280, 2000) won't print an image longer 
than 44".
> Is this true, do one of you have other experience?  If it is true, 
then:
> 4) why would you bother with a fine art roll paper (which is going 
to give
> you some degree of roll set), when you could buy larger (MUSEO--
extra plug,
> sorry) sheets.
> 
> if this is a product which many of you would be buying on a regular 
basis,
> then perhaps i can do some convincing to convert some of our larger 
sheets
> into 13x44's.
> 
> Antonis, Martin: can y'all set up a poll to determine how many
> piezo/photo-graphers are amongst us who would be interested in this?
> 
> hope this helps,
> robert rex
> 
> At 03:03 AM 8/3/01 -0000, you wrote:
> >  Earlier the issue of panorama paper was brought up by John 
Brownlow 
> > (Post #46) and I don't want the thread to die out without an 
answer. 
> > While there are art paper options for the big printers in rolls 
there 
> > is a need for Panorama sized paper for the desktop models.
> > 
> > In checking around the web I have not turned up anything at all, 
> > nothing.
> > 
> > Does anyone know of any quality paper that is being sold in say a 
> >"" rolls? (Epson makes 
> >""(?) rolls I believe but this is not my 
> > idea of quality paper. Jump in if you disagree.)
> > 
> > If not, is there anyway to special order from any of the major 
> > manufacturers/suppliers like Crane, Hahnemule, Arches, Legion, 
> > Brightcube, Lyson, Hawk Mountain, Lumijet, etc..?
> > 
> > This is a tough one because while there are roll adapters for the 
> > desktop printers they definitely were not designed for a nice 310 
gsm 
> > paper so there is no obvious motivation to supply rolls!
> > 
> >"" wide rolls of art paper you could just 
> > cut off the length you wanted and hand feed it. That way you 
could do 
> >  panorama's as desired.
> > 
> > Any ideas on how to get something like this?
> > 
> >""&W print matted and 
> > framed up on the wall!!!
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > unsubscribe by sending an email to:
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Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-05 by Tim Spragens

I understand that the PiezoBW driver is not stuck with this 
limitation, though I've never tried.

Tim

> A brief check confirms that all the Epson models list a 44" length
> maximum. So, unless there is a way around this with third party
> drivers, there is no point in looking at longer sheets.


--
Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-05 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

Tim,

In the Windows version I have, the paper length is set in the Epson 
driver before getting to the PiezoBW screen. Am I missing something?

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Tim Spragens" 
<t.spragens@c...> wrote:
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> I understand that the PiezoBW driver is not stuck with this 
> limitation, though I've never tried.
> 
> Tim
> 
> > A brief check confirms that all the Epson models list a 44" length
> > maximum. (snip)

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-05 by Tim Spragens

I wonder, Martin. I remember in the PiezoBW information that the 
paper length was no longer limited. If set longer, does the Epson 
driver refuse it? I assumed it would just truncate the print, rather 
than disallowing a lenght over 44". I've got a roll of Epson paper, but 
it is too wide for the 1160, so no way to test for sure.

Anyone else know for certain?

Tim

> In the Windows version I have, the paper length is set in the Epson
> driver before getting to the PiezoBW screen. Am I missing something?



--
Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper

2001-08-06 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

Tim,

When you enter a length value in the Epson driver under the "User 
Defined" paper size it will not accept a number larger than the 
maximum listed. I went through the PiezoBW manual and it looks like 
paper size is under the control of the Epson driver.

However, on the Epson side I noticed that while my 1200 is limited to 
44", if I put my Epson 1270 or 785 in "Roll Feeder" or "Banner" mode 
I can then go to the "user defined" paper size and specify a length 
up to 129"!! No way to test this out at the moment. This would make a 
13" roll option more interesting for the newer generation of printers.

So with the 1270 on up we can start printing our 13" by 129" 
panoramas! If there is some paper available. You really would have to 
roll feed this since trying to hand feed a 129" sheet into a 1270 
sounds a little tricky. Even 44" may be a problem.

I am also assuming that with the other ink set, MIS, Spectratone, 
Lyson, etc. length is also limited by the Epson driver. Someone let 
us know if this is not true.

In any case, the ability to print a 13" by 44" panorama on the 
desktop is a huge leap for producing panoramas! Consider the 
difficulty of  printing and processing at this size in the darkroom.

Martin



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Tim Spragens" 
<t.spragens@c...> wrote:
> I wonder, Martin. I remember in the PiezoBW information that the 
> paper length was no longer limited. If set longer, does the Epson 
> driver refuse it? I assumed it would just truncate the print, 
rather 
> than disallowing a lenght over 44". I've got a roll of Epson paper, 
but 
> it is too wide for the 1160, so no way to test for sure.
> 
(snip earlier)

Re: Panorama Paper

2001-08-06 by pix6611@yahoo.com

Legion sells a bunch of their papers in 13" rolls - Somerset 
Enhanced, Legion Photo Matte, Legion Photo Gloss.  I've been using 
the Matte - IMHO, the best one around.

Peter
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> 
> Does anyone know of any quality paper that is being sold in say a 
> 13X26 or longer size? Or better yet 13" or 17" rolls? (Epson makes 
> the Photo Paper in 4" and 13"(?) rolls I believe but this is not my 
> idea of quality paper. Jump in if you disagree.)
> 
> If not, is there anyway to special order from any of the major 
> manufacturers/suppliers like Crane, Hahnemule, Arches, Legion, 
> Brightcube, Lyson, Hawk Mountain, Lumijet, etc..?
>

Re: Panorama Paper

2001-08-06 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

Peter,

That's great information. I checked and both MediaStreet.com and 
DigitalArtSupplies.com carry the Somerset Enhanced rolls for about 
$82 and $75.

While not one of my primary paper choices (like a tone that is less 
warm but I do use it occassional) it is of high quality and liked by 
many. I would give this at try if nothing else is available.

Do you have a source for the Legion Photo Matte and Gloss rolls? (or 
sheets?) I don't have any experience with these myself.

Also what printer and ink set are you using? Are you using a roll 
feed or are you cutting off strips to feed into the printer?

Thank you,
Martin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., pix6611@y... wrote:
> Legion sells a bunch of their papers in 13" rolls - Somerset 
> Enhanced, Legion Photo Matte, Legion Photo Gloss.  I've been using 
> the Matte - IMHO, the best one around.
> 
> Peter
> 
> > 
(snip earlier)

Re: Panorama Paper

2001-08-06 by pix6611@yahoo.com

Martin - 

For the 13" Somerset, you may also want to check Fotocare in NYC (212-
741-2990) and Warner Graphics in Maine (207-236-2065).  That's where 
I was referred.

I haven't bought Legion Photo Matte and Gloss in rolls.  The project 
I'm working on now is on sheets only.  I saw the rolls reasonably 
priced at GalleryPrint.com (under supplies).

For the Somerset 13" rolls, I've been using the 2000P.  For the matte 
and the gloss, I've been using sheets on a few machines that I'm 
testing, including the 1280 (which will soon be set up for 
piezography) and the Canon S800 (the best inexpensive printer I've 
seen to date.) I've also had my work printed on the 7500 and was 
blown away by the matte.  Wish I had a large format machine myself.  
Soon. . .

Peter

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> Peter,
> 
> That's great information. I checked and both MediaStreet.com and 
> DigitalArtSupplies.com carry the Somerset Enhanced rolls for about 
> $82 and $75.
> 
> While not one of my primary paper choices (like a tone that is less 
> warm but I do use it occassional) it is of high quality and liked 
by 
> many. I would give this at try if nothing else is available.
> 
> Do you have a source for the Legion Photo Matte and Gloss rolls? 
(or 
> sheets?) I don't have any experience with these myself.
> 
> Also what printer and ink set are you using? Are you using a roll 
> feed or are you cutting off strips to feed into the printer?
> 
> Thank you,
> Martin
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., pix6611@y... wrote:
> > Legion sells a bunch of their papers in 13" rolls - Somerset 
> > Enhanced, Legion Photo Matte, Legion Photo Gloss.  I've been 
using 
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> > the Matte - IMHO, the best one around.
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > > 
> (snip earlier)

Re: Panorama Paper

2001-08-06 by mwesley250@earthlink.net

Peter,

Any problems using the Somerset rolls on the 2000P? Was the Epson 
roll holder up to the task or did you have to do some modifications?

Thanks,
Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., pix6611@y... wrote:
> Martin - 
> 
> For the 13" Somerset, you may also want to check Fotocare in NYC 
(212-
> 741-2990) and Warner Graphics in Maine (207-236-2065).  That's 
where 
> I was referred.
> 
> I haven't bought Legion Photo Matte and Gloss in rolls.  The 
project 
> I'm working on now is on sheets only.  I saw the rolls reasonably 
> priced at GalleryPrint.com (under supplies).
> 
> For the Somerset 13" rolls, I've been using the 2000P.  

(snip earlier)

Panorama Paper

2001-09-09 by Martin Wesley

Good News!

For those of you who have been looking for panorama sized paper, I 
noticed that Digital Art Supplies is now selling ALL the Hahnemule 
papers, Schoellershammer and Somerset Enhanced in 13" x 39' and 17" x 
39' rolls. Prices on the 13" rolls are about $100.

Since they now have the equipment to cut rolls, they will probably be 
willing to cut down other papers on rolls and large sheets also.

Martin

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper, i.e. long prints

2001-09-30 by buckwiet@yahoo.com

Tim & Martin -

I just joined yesterday for the purpose of learning how to do this 
(printing 12"x84" panoramas) since they cost around $300 a piece on 
silver paper. 

Did you get it to work? Are the same size options, menu selections 
available on a 1280? Also, are you printing color or b&w? What paper?

thanks,
andy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> When you enter a length value in the Epson driver under the "User 
> Defined" paper size it will not accept a number larger than the 
> maximum listed. I went through the PiezoBW manual and it looks like 
> paper size is under the control of the Epson driver.
> 
> However, on the Epson side I noticed that while my 1200 is limited 
to 
> 44", if I put my Epson 1270 or 785 in "Roll Feeder" or "Banner" mode 
> I can then go to the "user defined" paper size and specify a length 
> up to 129"!! No way to test this out at the moment. This would make 
a 
> 13" roll option more interesting for the newer generation of 
printers.
> 
> So with the 1270 on up we can start printing our 13" by 129" 
> panoramas! If there is some paper available. You really would have 
to 
> roll feed this since trying to hand feed a 129" sheet into a 1270 
> sounds a little tricky. Even 44" may be a problem.
> 
> I am also assuming that with the other ink set, MIS, Spectratone, 
> Lyson, etc. length is also limited by the Epson driver. Someone let 
> us know if this is not true.
> 
> In any case, the ability to print a 13" by 44" panorama on the 
> desktop is a huge leap for producing panoramas! Consider the 
> difficulty of  printing and processing at this size in the darkroom.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Tim Spragens" 
> <t.spragens@c...> wrote:
> > I wonder, Martin. I remember in the PiezoBW information that the 
> > paper length was no longer limited. If set longer, does the Epson 
> > driver refuse it? I assumed it would just truncate the print, 
> rather 
> > than disallowing a lenght over 44". I've got a roll of Epson 
paper, 
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> but 
> > it is too wide for the 1160, so no way to test for sure.
> > 
> (snip earlier)

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper, i.e. long prints

2001-09-30 by Mark Tucker

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., buckwiet@y... wrote:
> Tim & Martin -
> 
> I just joined yesterday for the purpose of learning how to do 
this 
> (printing 12"x84" panoramas) since they cost around $300 a 
piece on 
> silver paper. 


You might consider joining the Epson9000 list to research this. 
There were several threads months ago about a guy who was 
wanting to print longer than 90" wide. I can't remember the 
outcome, but I think he mastered it.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Epson9000

This group is primarily for users of 7xxx/9xxx machines, but you 
could still do several Searches through the Archives with 
different keywords. It could be helpful.

-Mark Tucker

Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper, i.e. long prints

2001-10-01 by Martin Wesley

Andy,

I have not printed anything claose to that long myself. In the 1280 
Epson driver you are limited to a maximum length of 44". My 
understanding is that using the Piezo driver you set the paper size 
in the Epson driver to whatever width you want and the length at the 
44" max. Then in Photoshop you size your image to that width with 
whatever length you need. When the Piezo driver prints the image it 
will print to the image length set in Photoshop and ignore the 44" 
Epson driver limit.

Like I said I have not tried it, but I read it on the Piezo list a 
while back. Maybe someone else can pitch in from experience and you 
might want to post the question on the Piezo list.

Martin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., buckwiet@y... wrote:
> Tim & Martin -
> 
> I just joined yesterday for the purpose of learning how to do this 
> (printing 12"x84" panoramas) since they cost around $300 a piece on 
> silver paper. 
> 
> Did you get it to work? Are the same size options, menu selections 
> available on a 1280? Also, are you printing color or b&w? What 
paper?
> 
> thanks,
> andy
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> > Tim,
> > 
> > When you enter a length value in the Epson driver under the "User 
> > Defined" paper size it will not accept a number larger than the 
> > maximum listed. I went through the PiezoBW manual and it looks 
like 
> > paper size is under the control of the Epson driver.
> > 
> > However, on the Epson side I noticed that while my 1200 is 
limited 
> to 
> > 44", if I put my Epson 1270 or 785 in "Roll Feeder" or "Banner" 
mode 
> > I can then go to the "user defined" paper size and specify a 
length 
> > up to 129"!! No way to test this out at the moment. This would 
make 
> a 
> > 13" roll option more interesting for the newer generation of 
> printers.
> > 
> > So with the 1270 on up we can start printing our 13" by 129" 
> > panoramas! If there is some paper available. You really would 
have 
> to 
> > roll feed this since trying to hand feed a 129" sheet into a 1270 
> > sounds a little tricky. Even 44" may be a problem.
> > 
> > I am also assuming that with the other ink set, MIS, Spectratone, 
> > Lyson, etc. length is also limited by the Epson driver. Someone 
let 
> > us know if this is not true.
> > 
> > In any case, the ability to print a 13" by 44" panorama on the 
> > desktop is a huge leap for producing panoramas! Consider the 
> > difficulty of  printing and processing at this size in the 
darkroom.
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Tim Spragens" 
> > <t.spragens@c...> wrote:
> > > I wonder, Martin. I remember in the PiezoBW information that 
the 
> > > paper length was no longer limited. If set longer, does the 
Epson 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > driver refuse it? I assumed it would just truncate the print, 
> > rather 
> > > than disallowing a lenght over 44". I've got a roll of Epson 
> paper, 
> > but 
> > > it is too wide for the 1160, so no way to test for sure.
> > > 
> > (snip earlier)

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