Digital BW, The Print

As I am tired of filling cartrdiges (and am not that good at it 
anyway) I am thinking about taking the plunge to a CFS/CIS system for 
an epson 1280.  I saw the traffic earlier regarding the tubing MIS 
uses but that can be replaced.  Is there any other reason to spend 
the extra $100 on the NoMoreCarts system as I will use MIS inks?  Any 
ideas will be appreciated.

regards

Mark Sharfman

> Is there any other reason to spend 
> the extra $100 on the NoMoreCarts system as I will use MIS inks? 
> Mark Sharfman

It's sad we can't wait for Jerry's reply!

I miss you Jerry!

On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 02:14  PM, Mark Sharfman wrote:

>  Is there any other reason to spend
> the extra $100 on the NoMoreCarts system as I will use MIS inks?  Any
> ideas will be appreciated.

I see no reason.
I have had no trouble with MIS CFS in the two years of use. 1280 with 
dye ink
and a 1270 with VM pigmented ink. There support and warranty is great.

Bill Boy
bboy@...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sharfman"
<msharfman@o...> wrote:
> As I am tired of filling cartrdiges (and am not that good at it 
> anyway) I am thinking about taking the plunge to a CFS/CIS system for 
> an epson 1280.  I saw the traffic earlier regarding the tubing MIS 
> uses but that can be replaced.  Is there any other reason to spend 
> the extra $100 on the NoMoreCarts system as I will use MIS inks?  Any 
> ideas will be appreciated.
> 
> regards
> 
> Mark Sharfman

The MIS system is more costly, but less "rough at the edges". For
example, unless either system has changed in the last months, with the
CFS you have to cut the tubing to length and feed it thru the bottle
lid. And it doesn't come with nice breather tubes- just a hole in the
top of lid.

OTOH, you can replace /rebuild just about anything on the CFS, as it's
sold individually at MIS. You could for example, buy just the glue
used to secure the elbows into the top of carts (unless MIS has
changed this).

If you live in a troublesome climate like I do (arid and/or high
altitude) where people have had problems, I recommend the CIS. IF you
don't and are "handy" and wish to get a cheap system you can swap
pieces out of yourself, CFS is an answer. Actually, I recommend
staying away from ANY CIS/CFS system in my climate and just using
vacuum filled carts- even with this method I had tons of trouble.

 If you have a chipped printer like the 1280, the workaround is quite
different too (again my info is months old, maybe things have
changed). The CIS chips are "permanently filled" and the CFS uses
after- market chips that need a resetter, and when initially instaling
carts have to be done carefully, or you will blow out the chip
permanently (unless you swap out for a real chip peeled off an empty
OEM EPson cart). But the CIS chips are more expensive.
Jim H.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bill Boy
<bboy@c...> wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 02:14  PM, Mark Sharfman wrote:
> 
> >  Is there any other reason to spend
> > the extra $100 on the NoMoreCarts system as I will use MIS inks?  Any
> > ideas will be appreciated.
> 
> I see no reason.
> I have had no trouble with MIS CFS in the two years of use. 1280 with 
> dye ink
> and a 1270 with VM pigmented ink. There support and warranty is great.
> 
> Bill Boy
> bboy@c...

With dye ink you will have no trouble with either system, even in
arid/high altitude conditions- except I have some, even with OEM Epson
carts!!

It's the pig ink that is one or two orders of magnitude  more
difficult. But say if you live in Florida there will be vitually no
diff. Here in  high up arid Colorado, go CIS or better, no CIS at all
but carts.

 Your choice should depend on where you live and what ink your using.

Now the new Ultrachrome based ink may be different. My 2200 with Epson
carts may not do the best b&w, but at least I'm not clogging up every
12 hours. Amazingly, I've only had to run about 7 cleaning cycles tops
in six months. My 1280 with Epson inks in it has to be unclogged by
turning it on and running cleaning cycles about once a week or more.
With winter fading the humidity has risen and even the 1280 is almost
behaving itself now. But if I have these problems with an Epson cart,
imagine what I've been going thru the last 2 1/2 years with CFS/ CIS
/pig inks.
Jim H.

I'm thrilled with everything about MIS and my CFS system. It works
great,  is engineered extremely well, is very well supported both by
their website and phone calls to MIS, ship fast and cheap, make
excellent inks,  and have a complete line of cheap replacement parts
available. Even if the No More Carts system was as cheap as the MIS
one, I'd still buy from MIS for the above reasons. 

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sharfman"
<msharfman@o...> wrote:

> As I am tired of filling cartrdiges (and am not that good at it 
> anyway) I am thinking about taking the plunge to a CFS/CIS system for 
> an epson 1280.  I saw the traffic earlier regarding the tubing MIS 
> uses but that can be replaced.  Is there any other reason to spend 
> the extra $100 on the NoMoreCarts system as I will use MIS inks?  Any 
> ideas will be appreciated.
> 
> regards
> 
> Mark Sharfman

Mark, the MIS CFS works fine and their support is excellent.  As they will
tell you, I finally had to give it up and go with pre-filled cartridges for
black - it's just not going to be reliable with the CFS.  The color part
works fine.  I use the VM-S inkset.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Sharfman" <msharfman@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] MIS vs. NoMoreCarts CFS systems


> As I am tired of filling cartrdiges (and am not that good at it
> anyway) I am thinking about taking the plunge to a CFS/CIS system for
> an epson 1280.  I saw the traffic earlier regarding the tubing MIS
> uses but that can be replaced.  Is there any other reason to spend
> the extra $100 on the NoMoreCarts system as I will use MIS inks?  Any
> ideas will be appreciated.
>
> regards
>
> Mark Sharfman
>
>
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Ken,
Are you talking about the new Eboni black and is this a known problem?
I need to re-order some MIS-FSN soon. I'm using a CIS setup.
Cheers,
Andre


> I finally had to give it up and go with pre-filled cartridges for
> black - it's just not going to be reliable with the CFS.  The color 
part

> works fine.  I use the VM-S inkset.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>   --Ken Carney
>