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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Infused Paper? + PMA report: DIMA Shoot Outs results available

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Infused Paper? + PMA report: DIMA Shoot Outs results available

2003-03-12 by Ernst Dinkla

Harald, you wrote:

> Ernst: <... Schoellershammer (Germany) brought some inkjet
coated papers on
> the market about 18 months ago. They claimed that the paper was
coated in the
> paper pulp before actual papermaking and that it had
advantages.... >
>
> I didn't realize this, but if true, they sure didn't do a very
good marketing
> job! ;-) Since Edmunds claims the patent, I assume the
Schoellershammer
> process is somewhat different.

It isn't so specific on the website as they said it at the
introduction but reading between the lines helps in this case:

http://www.schoellershammer.de/eng/prod_fine_art/fine_art_main.ht
ml

What I also miss is a reference to a pigment ink variety, maybe
their conclusion became later on the same as mine then.

Checked the prospect papers and proof sheets that I got (24
months ago exactly) and there they wrote it was compatible with
pigment printers like the Epson 9500.

With emphasise on dye ink and better fade properties it gets more
and more similarity to the FutureWales claims.

I must have some normal Bockingford aquarel paper (non inkjet)
and I still have a dye printer, could try that out. Wilhelm
tested Iris dye inks on normal aquarel papers like Arches quite
favourably, it can't be that history repeats itself ;-)

Ernst

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Infused Paper? + PMA report: DIMA Shoot Outs results available

2003-03-12 by Ernst Dinkla

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> Harald, you wrote:
>
> > Ernst: <... Schoellershammer (Germany) brought some inkjet
> coated papers on
> > the market about 18 months ago. They claimed that the paper
was
> coated in the
> > paper pulp before actual papermaking and that it had
> advantages.... >
> >
> > I didn't realize this, but if true, they sure didn't do a
very
> good marketing
> > job! ;-) Since Edmunds claims the patent, I assume the
> Schoellershammer
> > process is somewhat different.
>
> It isn't so specific on the website as they said it at the
> introduction but reading between the lines helps in this case:
>
>
http://www.schoellershammer.de/eng/prod_fine_art/fine_art_main.ht
> ml
>
> What I also miss is a reference to a pigment ink variety, maybe
> their conclusion became later on the same as mine then.
>
> Checked the prospect papers and proof sheets that I got (24
> months ago exactly) and there they wrote it was compatible with
> pigment printers like the Epson 9500.
>
> With emphasise on dye ink and better fade properties it gets
more
> and more similarity to the FutureWales claims.
>
> I must have some normal Bockingford aquarel paper (non inkjet)
> and I still have a dye printer, could try that out. Wilhelm
> tested Iris dye inks on normal aquarel papers like Arches quite
> favourably, it can't be that history repeats itself ;-)
>
> Ernst

Looking at a piece of Bockingford I'm sure it isn't free of
OBA's.
The proof sheet says "Bockingford Tub Sized" the Dutch
distributor added "Surface sized" to its description. All in all
a heavy sized paper like most watercolour papers. Most likely
gelatine sizing or PVA. That is very compatible to certain dye
inks like Ilfords Archiva. But getting a patent for that
combination amazes me. Can't be that Ilford, Ciba, Lyson forgot
to apply for one isn't it ? Are there special patents written in
Cymric ?  Yes, I'm sceptic on this "news" :-)

Ernst

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