Digital BW, The Print

I have heard that that plugin will be included with the next major
version of Photoshop. Anyone else heard that?
I'd hat to buy the software only to find it included in the next upgrade!

Jerry

"flyfishingusa2002 " wrote:

> 
> If you haven't already heard Adobe has a new plugin to convert from
> RAW to RGB with Photoshop 7.01. I have just purchased the plugin and
> the results from my D1 files are nothing short of stunning. I have
> Bibble, Nikon Capture 3.5 and Qimage. I have no further use for
> them!
> What's this got to do with B/W I hear you ask. Well, one of the
> controls is the "Saturate" slider. Move it to zero and you have
> instant B/W RGB, what is more is that there is a "Shadows" slider
> that will darken or lighten the shadows for you as well. Along with
> exposure contrast etc you have a full set of controls which allow
> you to see in real time a preview of the corrected file (picture)
> 
> I am still amazed at not only the RGB file that it produces but the
> B/W files as well.
> 
> If you are a RAW file user go check it out.
> 
> Oh, I have no connection with Adobe at all, just a user.
> 
> Barry
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Adobe says it will.
tal BW] New way to convert RAW to B/W!
=
=
=I have heard that that plugin will be included with the next 
=major version of Photoshop. Anyone else heard that? I'd hat to 
=buy the software only to find it included in the next upgrade!

Jerry,

When you buy the ACR plugin, Adobe tells you that it will be included in a
future update of Photoshop (they don't say 'next'), but that you will not
get any discount or rebate for having bought the plug-in now, and they may
not continue selling the plug-in.

I've tried it, and at the moment, I still prefer Nikon Capture 3.5.1 for my
Nikon NEF files from my D100.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>


> I have heard that that plugin will be included with the next major
> version of Photoshop. Anyone else heard that?
> I'd hat to buy the software only to find it included in the next upgrade!

Bob,
With respect, you have already changed the content of the thread and 
not renamed it. I also have the latest version of NC, but it does 
not allow me to convert my nef (RAW) files directly to a B/W file 
with the saturate slider. If you try it it might just be surprised 
at what the plugin can do.

I have a D1 and the plugin will interpolate the file to a much 
larger size. I know that I can do this with NC as well, but when I 
look at the finished results I am sure that the Adobe plugin is much 
better.

Barry

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Frost" 
<bobfrost@b...> wrote:
> Jerry,
> 
> When you buy the ACR plugin, Adobe tells you that it will be 
included in a
> future update of Photoshop (they don't say 'next'), but that you 
will not
> get any discount or rebate for having bought the plug-in now, and 
they may
> not continue selling the plug-in.
> 
> I've tried it, and at the moment, I still prefer Nikon Capture 
3.5.1 for my
> Nikon NEF files from my D100.
> 
> Bob Frost.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@r...>
> 
> 
> > I have heard that that plugin will be included with the next 
major
> > version of Photoshop. Anyone else heard that?
> > I'd hat to buy the software only to find it included in the next 
upgrade!

> I have a D1 and the plugin will interpolate the file to a much 
> larger size. I know that I can do this with NC as well, but when I 
> look at the finished results I am sure that the Adobe plugin is much 
> better.
> 
> Barry

Raw Camera plug-in has a whole new algorithm for upsampling/interpolating images. Much better than Photoshop's.

Hi, John-

The plug-in issue is not whether it is better than native PS; it's whether
it is better than Nikon Capture (NC).

It boils down to where the 100 bucks is better spent.

Seth

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=Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:37 AM
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=Subject: Re: [Digital BW] New way to convert RAW to B/W!
=
=
=> I have a D1 and the plugin will interpolate the file to a much
=> larger size. I know that I can do this with NC as well, but when I 
=> look at the finished results I am sure that the Adobe plugin is much 
=> better.
=> 
=> Barry
=
=Raw Camera plug-in has a whole new algorithm for 
=upsampling/interpolating images. Much better than Photoshop's.
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Thanks Bob, I think I'll just stick with my canon software for my D60 for
now. It does a fine job for me. All these upgrades are really starting to
have an affect on my wallet because there are so many of them.

Jerry

> 
> When you buy the ACR plugin, Adobe tells you that it will be included in a
> future update of Photoshop (they don't say 'next'), but that you will not
> get any discount or rebate for having bought the plug-in now, and they may
> not continue selling the plug-in.
> 
> I've tried it, and at the moment, I still prefer Nikon Capture 3.5.1 for my
> Nikon NEF files from my D100.
> 
> Bob Frost.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> 
> 
>> I have heard that that plugin will be included with the next major
>> version of Photoshop. Anyone else heard that?
>> I'd hat to buy the software only to find it included in the next upgrade!
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other
> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
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Barry,

Sorry about the title; I do try to change them when necessary, but sometimes
I get carried away with the discussion and forget.

I haven't tried converting to B/W in ACR; I usually do this with channel
mixer in Photoshop, since it gives me the option of choosing my own balance
of the three channels, rather than accept a fixed proportion of R, G, & B.

I've tried interpolating in ACR, NC, and in Irfanview with Lanczos, but have
settled for good old bicubic in PS.

I find that ACR does not seem to handle the noise, aliasing, and moire
problems as well as NC. So I do the minimum necessary in NC (recovery of
highlights in NC is much better than ACR), and then upsample in PS.

Color accuracy, which many say is much better in ACR, is not tops of my
needs. I think NC produces much more accurate color than I am used to
getting from film, but since I am used to changing it to suit my tastes, I
am not seeking the ultimate in accuracy. Noise, aliasing, moire, etc is much
more important, in my view, since it is more difficult to deal with later.

But these are early days, and with more usage, I might change my workflow.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message -----

From: <tflyfish@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] New way to convert RAW to B/W!


> Bob,
> With respect, you have already changed the content of the thread and
> not renamed it. I also have the latest version of NC, but it does
> not allow me to convert my nef (RAW) files directly to a B/W file
> with the saturate slider. If you try it it might just be surprised
> at what the plugin can do.
>
> I have a D1 and the plugin will interpolate the file to a much
> larger size. I know that I can do this with NC as well, but when I
> look at the finished results I am sure that the Adobe plugin is much
> better.

John,

I read that in Adobe's advert for ACR as well, but how can you test it? As
far as I can see, you can't separate the upsampling from the rest of the
things that ACR does to the raw files. Until they put the new algorithm in
PS, I don't see how we can verify that it is better than bicubic. Don't get
me wrong; I'm not saying it isn't; just that I can't see any way of proving
it is!

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message -----
From: <jvlist@...>


>
> Raw Camera plug-in has a whole new algorithm for upsampling/interpolating
images. Much better than Photoshop's.

Seth,

I've done quite a few tests this week comparing ACR and NC on my D100 NEF
files, and I found that the best combination is to process the raw files in
NC and to upsample in PS. ACR might give better upsampling, but we can't
separate that from the rest of the ACR process. My impression was that the
files I processed in ACR were more 'ragged' than when processed in NC. At
fiirst I thought that ACR gave better definition, but then I realised that
came with more noise, aliasing, and moire, and using ACR's smoothing was a
no-no.

Having decided that NC produced the cleaner, nicer, images, I tried
upsampling in NC (which theoretically ought to be better), but found
upsampling in PS afterwards was better.

I'd be delighted to hear of other's comparisons. With other cameras the
results may be different.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Seth Rossman" <seth@...>

> Hi, John-
>
> The plug-in issue is not whether it is better than native PS; it's whether
> it is better than Nikon Capture (NC).
>
> It boils down to where the 100 bucks is better spent.