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Glossy Carbon Variable Tone inkset

Glossy Carbon Variable Tone inkset

2016-03-26 by roark.paul@...

One of the issues in pursuing glossy as well as matte compatible carbon inkset is what to use to make the light blue toner. From a lightfastness perspective, I'm very happy with the Canon pigment based toner that I have used in the Eboni variable tone inksets. However, the generic base is not glossy paper compatible. For glossy paper, I've typically used and recommended the MIS amber base (same as the R800 gloss optimizer). It worked very will with HP pigments and essentially eliminated their bronzing.


I'm pleased to report the Canon based toner appears to be fully compatible with the MIS amber base. I had a mixed sample sitting idle for about 6 months. There was no evidence of sedimentation and in centrifuge testing today it did very well, about equal to an Epson UC K3 LC that I used for a control sample.


So, I'm ready to move ahead with the universal carbon variable tone inkset.


Paul

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Re: Glossy Carbon Variable Tone inkset

2016-03-27 by homershannon@...

"So, I'm ready to move ahead with the universal carbon variable tone inkset."

That would be a welcomed break through, if you can make it work. I'm still working to get my 4900 working properly. Right now it can only print three colors and only shows one of those in the a nozzle check. I think the head is pretty messed up and possibly there are other problems as well. It's going to rain a lot next week and perhaps I can spend more time trying to sort it out.

Homer

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Glossy Carbon Variable Tone inkset

2016-03-28 by Paul Roark

Mark,

I will not be using the Epson PK, LK, & LLK. The core is going to be 100% carbon, and Epson's (and all OEM) grays are not 100% carbon to be best of my knowledge. They are blends of carbon with color pigments to make them more neutral, which is what their function is in color printing.

I will probably use the MIS PK as a starting point because it is pure carbon. The MIS carbons from their K4 and UT7 inksets is what I've used in that past with good success. This gives a warm end to the printing range that is half way to sepia but has no yellow in it the way the OEM inksets must get to that tone.

The only B&W pigment print that I have in my house that shows fade is a sepia tone print where yellow and magenta needed to be added to the neutral gray inks to make them that warm. Thus the old photo reproduction project I did for the local museum was printed with the MIS glossy carbons, and those prints have held up very well, even in "outside" (but under glass) display for 2 years.

While MIS glossy carbon can reach a lab b of more than 13 on glossy paper (see http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4000-6K-Plus.pdf at page 7), the interesting thing I found in working with the Epson 4000 with MIS glossy carbon is that it is only slightly warmer than Eboni on Arches watercolor paper, which, as you know, is one of my targets for printing because it is not a coated paper.

I have a very healthy respect for the OEM ink technology. They have some excellent color pigments, not to mention the also excellent Claria color dye technology. However, the OEMs, like the vast majority of digital cameras, really must serve the color market first. They like to show off good B&W prints in their ads, and they aren't bad, but by making an inkset where almost all the positions are carbon, we can end up with a system that, for B&W, has some advantages.

Relative to the 4000 K6-plus inkset noted above, one of the compromises I'm going to make is to use a pre-mixed color toner to offset the carbon warmth. I think the ease of profiling offsets the flexibility of having both an LC and LM in the printer. A single toner also allows very easy Epson driver control via Photoshop curves, which can be embedded in ICCs.

I'll use my 1400 as the first platform, but I'm obviously looking to scale up to wider formats after that.

Paul





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On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 2:26 PM, mccarvill@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Very cool, Paul.

So could a viable glossy inkset = Toner + Epson PK + LK + LLK … or something close to that?

Mark

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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Glossy Carbon Variable Tone inkset

2016-03-28 by andrey@...

Paul, I'm looking forward to your results with the glossy inkset. There are a lot of great glossy and semi-gloss paper I'd love to use.

Do you think this ink will be interchangeable with the matte ink in the same printer? That is, when I need to print glossy, could I just replace the matte ink carts with their glossy counterparts, with perhaps a flushing cycle or two, or would one need to keep two separate printers? This would be for something like the 1430, where there are no ink lines.

--Andre

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Glossy Carbon Variable Tone inkset

2016-03-28 by Paul Roark

Glossy carbon can print on matte paper. I anticipate Eboni in the MK position in many printers and PK in the C position if there is not a switchable K position. So, the target is a somewhat universal carbon printer setup.

It's too early to say where my tests take me. My first step is to get the 1100 running well.

Paul
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On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:51 AM, andrey@...m [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Paul, I'm looking forward to your results with the glossy inkset. There are a lot of great glossy and semi-gloss paper I'd love to use.


Do you think this ink will be interchangeable with the matte ink in the same printer? That is, when I need to print glossy, could I just replace the matte ink carts with their glossy counterparts, with perhaps a flushing cycle or two, or would one need to keep two separate printers? This would be for something like the 1430, where there are no ink lines.

--Andre


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