Digital BW, The Print

to everyone who is making this one of the most essential groups I belong to

the files section of the list, and the polls, are being used wonderfully

an example to other listowners (including me!)


-- 
John Brownlow

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

ICQ: 109343205

High praise, indeed, John. We collectively thank you back for your 
participation here. It's all about vox populi!

Antonis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Johnny Deadman <john@p...> 
wrote:

> to everyone who is making this one of the most essential groups I belong to
> 
> the files section of the list, and the polls, are being used wonderfully
> 
> an example to other listowners (including me!)
> 
> 
> -- 
> John Brownlow
> 
> http://www.pinkheadedbug.com
> 
> ICQ: 109343205

Seconded! 

This list is what members have made of it. And I think you are all 
doing a damn fine job. Keep up the good work!

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Antonis Ricos" 
<antonisphoto@y...> wrote:
> High praise, indeed, John. We collectively thank you back for your 
> participation here. It's all about vox populi!
> 
> Antonis
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Johnny Deadman 
<john@p...> 
> wrote:
> > to everyone who is making this one of the most essential groups I 
belong to
> > 
> > the files section of the list, and the polls, are being used 
wonderfully

> > 
> > an example to other listowners (including me!)
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > John Brownlow
> > 
> > http://www.pinkheadedbug.com
> > 
> > ICQ: 109343205

Thanks to jerry & Mark for their suggestions.  I do have color 
vision software for calibrating my monitor and profiling papers.  
When the CIS and the new MIS inks arrived, I just couldn't 
controll myself to begin doing tests in the proper fashion, I just 
had to jump in and try to see what some of my favorite images 
would look like with the MIS pigs.  I knew what I had to do, I was 
just looking for a shortcut.
I'd rather be printing than testing!
As far as the selenium tone that I was always partial to, it differs 
from the classic, very cool blue to purple look.  In the old days, 
1970's, portriga rapid was always my favorite paper, but I didn't 
like it as warm as it came out of the box.  I used to dilute the 
dektol, 1 to 3, and lengthen my development times to 5 or 6 
minutes in that dektol, that cooled off the warm tone quite a bit, 
then with slight selenium toning, if memory serves me 6 or 8 ozs 
to the gallon of perma wash, cooled it off a bit more.  This 
produced a beautiful slightly warm tone with coolish shadows.
I'm not trying to match that color, in fact I'm open to any color that 
enhances the image at this point.  As I recall even different 
grades of portriga toned differently.  There was never any 
consistency to the stuff.
On an "archival" note, I remembered a story about Joel 
Meyerwitz, from the late 70's when he was selling tons of 
Capelight C prints.  As I recall, you could purchase images in 
either a C print or for several times that cost you could order a 
dye transfer print.  When asked about the archival qualities of the 
C print, and asked about it fadeing and changing in not that 
many years Joel's reply was, I'm paraphrasing here..
"Nothing lasts forever, if you want a print with a longer life span, 
spend the extra money and buy the Dye transfer print,  Even a 
Mercedes that costs lots more than one of my C prints insn't 
going to be around for 75 years..so stop complaining."
I guess that about sums it up.
Thanks again to Mark & Jerry.
David

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., daschkenas@a... > 
wrote:
> I do have color 
> vision software for calibrating my monitor and profiling papers.


I also bought ColorVision ProfilerPro and tried to use it with a 
DTP22 spectro. To put it all into perspective, I could get 
NOWHERE close to the accuracy of a professionally made 
profile, even using ProfilerPro. 

I'm to the point of thinking that it takes big-money equipment to 
render a truly fine profile. I think my lab uses a DTP41 and 
CompassProfile. Needless to say, after dropping $900 on 
ProfilerPro, and then more on the spectro, and still not getting a 
neutral profile, I was pretty frustrated. I'd say that unless you're
a Service Bureau, sooner or later you're gonna settle into one or 
two papers for personal work. Given that, it's a much better 
investment to just get a quality outside lab to do a profile. They 
go for about $125-$200.

http://www.profilecity.com
http://www.chromatics.com (made mine)

(As a matter of fact, if anybody wants to buy my ProfilerPro, it's 
going for $300. And I'll even donate the money to the Firefighters 
Fund. It's version 2.1, the latest. It's Mac, but I'm not sure if
that 
matters; I think what you're buying is a "key").

-Mark Tucker