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Slightly OT: rubber stamp inks

Slightly OT: rubber stamp inks

2013-01-29 by Tony Sleep

This may give fine art workers the heebie-jeebies so I apologise, but I 
hate to let prints out into the wild without a copyright stamp on the 
reverse, giving contact details. This is sure to become even more 
important thanks to the determination of governments to legislate routes 
around copyright for orphaned works.

Back in bromide days I used rubber stamps with ordinary black dye office 
inks. On RC papers I used solvent-based inks that adhered to the 
polyethylene coating. Print through was never a problem. Later, when I was 
producing a lot of prints for repro, I printed labels and used them. None 
of these have actually proved to be an archival problem so far (uo to 35 
years).

With inkjet, I did experiment with printing a very pale gray stamp on the 
reverse of the print on most materials without any damage to the image 
side of the paper. However it always felt risky and a bad idea. With my 
old Epson 1290+Piezography inks it was successful. With my current HP it 
is disastrous, physically marking the surface.

So I am back to a rubber stamp again, but ink is a problem. Ordinary black 
pad ink is far too dense and print through is likely unless the ink pad or 
stamp is almost dry. Stamping once on a bit of office paper before 
application of stamp to print ensures the stamp isn't overloaded, but the 
problem then is often an only partial impression - which is hopeless.

There is no such thing as pale gray on the market, which is what I think I 
need to get a consistent, tidy and predictable result. But what solvent to 
use to dilute black without encouraging too much penetration of the paper 
and print-through or leading to long drying times? I haven't had much luck 
finding out how pad inks are formulated, only that their are dye, pigment 
and solvent dye types. It could be as simple as water or water+alcohol, 
but I just don't know. I suspect there is some gum or PVA or similar added 
to proprietary water based stamp inks (to get even ink take-up on the 
rubber) and the concentration may need to be maintained.

I'm happy to experiment, but some sense of direction would be useful if 
anyone is less clueless than I am.

Alternatively, has anyone experimented with any of Paul's DIY archival 
pigment formulations and found that they are "stampable"?
-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

Re: Slightly OT: rubber stamp inks

2013-01-29 by Seth Rossman

Lineco makes a neutral PVA adhesive.  PVA is archival and used for book, 
etc. repairs in museums.  Used very sparingly, it would hold your self 
produced labels.

The other option is using rice paste, made up as needed.  Again, very 
sparingly on heavy prints, it should not cause a wrinkle.

I would print the labels with a laser printer, the most archival way of 
printing.

Seth

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Slightly OT: rubber stamp inks

2013-01-29 by jimbo

Just went thru a few of the posts on thsi thread...not sure if this is applicable but they work for me.. I had 3 rubber stamps made a few years back.. all are for different intents.. to keep it simple I'll just share the one that is applicable here I think..  It has a line at the top that I can right the image title and serial number on  / below that the artist and Copyright info. etc...I use stamp pad inks that are from Colorbox.. They have about 60 colors...all are pigment inks and acid free..  I have several colors but the ones that are applicable here are Wild Hare and Silver... ( both read a medium gray  the silver being a tad darker..  They do not work well at all on canvas unless you really lean on them but their great for any type paper print..  

jimbo
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  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Slightly OT: rubber stamp inks


    
  Here's a pretty simple solution, Tony, since I also agree that © ought to be stamped on the back of prints. I took an old almost empty light light gray Epson cartridge, and poured the remaining ink into a small storage jar. Then with an eye dropper, occasionally put a few drops on the ink pad, spreading them enough to cover the entire area of the rubber stamp area. It soaks in and will last for a bunch of prints, before needing more ink drops. Just to make sure of no future trouble, it's a good idea to make sure the rubber stamp is in the border area. Hope this helps. I've been doing this for a couple years now. Clay PriceTony Sleep wrote:......but I just don't know. I suspect there is some gum or PVA or similar added. It could be as simple as water or water+alcohol, to proprietary water based stamp inks (to get even ink take-up on the rubber) and the concentration may need to be maintained.I'm happy to experiment, but some sense of direction would be useful if anyone is less clueless than I am..... 

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Re: Slightly OT: rubber stamp inks

2013-01-29 by Clayton Price

Here's a pretty simple solution, Tony, since I also agree that © ought to be stamped on the back of prints.  I took an old almost empty light light gray Epson cartridge, and poured the remaining ink into a small storage jar. Then with an eye dropper, occasionally put a few drops on the ink pad, spreading them enough to cover the entire area of the rubber stamp area. It soaks in and will last for a bunch of prints, before needing more ink drops. Just to make sure of no future trouble, it's a good idea to make sure the rubber stamp is in the border area.                                                                                                     Hope this helps. I've been doing this for a couple years now.                      			 Clay PriceTony Sleep wrote:......but I just don't know. I suspect there is some gum or PVA or similar added. It could be as simple as water or water+alcohol, to proprietary water based stamp inks (to get even ink take-up on the rubber) and the concentration may need to be maintained.I'm happy to experiment, but some sense of direction would be useful if anyone is less clueless than I am.....																	





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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Slightly OT: rubber stamp inks

2013-01-30 by Tony Sleep

On 29/01/2013 20:12, jimbo wrote:
> .I use stamp pad inks that are from Colorbox.. They have about 60
> colors...all are pigment inks and acid free.. I have several colors but
> the ones that are applicable here are Wild Hare and Silver... ( both read
> a medium gray the silver being a tad darker.. They do not work well at all
> on canvas unless you really lean on them but their great for any type
> paper print..

Thanks. I see they also do white, which with a bit of black would make a 
pale gray. Do they have slow drying times? Seems a lot of pigment stamp 
inks contain glycerine and can take an age, so are prone to smudging or 
rub off onto adjacent prints.

-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Slightly OT: rubber stamp inks

2013-01-30 by Tony Sleep

On 29/01/2013 20:21, Clayton Price wrote:
> I took an old almost empty light light gray Epson cartridge, and poured
> the remaining ink into a small storage jar.

Thanks. Pigment, I assume?

-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Slightly OT: rubber stamp inks

2013-01-30 by jimbo

They dry fine. Might be difficult to take an exisiting colored pad and shift the colors..

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tony Sleep 
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  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Slightly OT: rubber stamp inks


    
  On 29/01/2013 20:12, jimbo wrote:
  > .I use stamp pad inks that are from Colorbox.. They have about 60
  > colors...all are pigment inks and acid free.. I have several colors but
  > the ones that are applicable here are Wild Hare and Silver... ( both read
  > a medium gray the silver being a tad darker.. They do not work well at all
  > on canvas unless you really lean on them but their great for any type
  > paper print..

  Thanks. I see they also do white, which with a bit of black would make a 
  pale gray. Do they have slow drying times? Seems a lot of pigment stamp 
  inks contain glycerine and can take an age, so are prone to smudging or 
  rub off onto adjacent prints.

  -- 
  Regards

  Tony Sleep
  http://tonysleep.co.uk



  
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Re: Slightly OT: rubber stamp inks

2013-02-04 by Dick Rawson

For example, search Amazon for "dry stamp pad".

Dick

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> They dry fine. Might be difficult to take an exisiting colored pad and shift the colors..

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