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Much slower than I hoped I'm prgressing with transforming my 4800 to a  HP-C6 setup. I now run into the unanticipated issue that I have trouble to find the most mundane ingredient: water. Or more precise, distilled water. I've plenty of sources of demineralised water: DIY stores, drugstores, gas stations. All try to sell me it as being the same as distilled water, which is not true.

Would demineralised water be equally well as distilled water or should I take no risk and search further?

Joost

Hi Joost,

I used demineralised for my first small batch without any apparent problems.
Though I might use distilled for a bigger batch. Google tells me there are a
number of suppliers in UK, so I would expect there to be some in NL as well.
Mike

On 9 May 2010 09:16, horstenj <j.h.j.h@...> wrote:

>
>
> Much slower than I hoped I'm prgressing with transforming my 4800 to a
> HP-C6 setup. I now run into the unanticipated issue that I have trouble to
> find the most mundane ingredient: water. Or more precise, distilled water.
> I've plenty of sources of demineralised water: DIY stores, drugstores, gas
> stations. All try to sell me it as being the same as distilled water, which
> is not true.
>
> Would demineralised water be equally well as distilled water or should I
> take no risk and search further?
>
> Joost
>
>  
>


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> I used demineralised for my first small batch without any apparent 
> problems.
> Though I might use distilled for a bigger batch. Google tells me there are 
> a
> number of suppliers in UK, so I would expect there to be some in NL as 
> well.

You could always use the ice from your fridge/freezer; that has evaporated 
from the products in the fridge and condensed out on the cooling coils, just 
like distillation.

Bob F.
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From: "Michael King" <drmrking@...>

Bob Frost schreef:

> You could always use the ice from your fridge/freezer; that has evaporated 
> from the products in the fridge and condensed out on the cooling coils, just 
> like distillation.
> 
> Bob F.

You wouldn't expect bacteria or fungi there? I know we have a clean 
fridge but I wouldn't trust that source for this application.

Cook the demineralised water in an electric, polycarbonate walled, 
cooker and I think it will be as good as distilled water.
No minerals, less oxygen, no bacteria, etc. It is possible that there is 
a Ph difference to distilled water but it can not be much.


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> You wouldn't expect bacteria or fungi there? I know we have a clean
> fridge but I wouldn't trust that source for this application.

Well, they can't grow in the ice, and if there are any spores floating 
around your fridge, you can kill them by boiling the melted ice. There will 
be spores in distilled water, unless it is prepared under sterile conditions 
(unlikely) and bottled in sterile containers (unlikely) and you use it under 
sterile conditions (unlikely). You would need medical packs of the stuff to 
be reasonably clean of bugs.

bob F.

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From: "Ernst Dinkla" <edinkla@...>

Joost,
I would say you'd be safer with Distilled Water for sure.. The issue with demineralized water that is available is that all resin bed filter systems are not all created equal. Their are good ones and bad ones. Resin bed processing will remove ionic products, but will let though some dissolved materials which are uncharged - like many organic compounds. Living microorganisms can also get through because the resin cannot "stop" them unless it mechanically traps them. A good resin system does pretty good job however.. Personally I doubt  that on most commercially available drinking water that is what they are using.

I guess you'd need to know how much contamination the ink making  process will allow. A few thoughts on your getting distilled water: You should be able to order it thru a Pharmacy or Chemical supply house. A few gallons of it will go along way with a 4800 as that's about 18lbs or 8 k of water. Another thought is if your going to be doing this on an on going basis .. make a simple still. It's not as difficult as you would think... easy actually.. If you want to try demineralized water that would be at the best level.. Locate a serious tropical fish breeder... of say Discus.. or water used in the manufacture of other products..not drinking water..  if their a larger operation they will have a good resin system and could supply the water for you. You could even get your own smaller system and run the water thru a few times... but that is an expense.. Even distilled water has contaminates in it.. That's why for some uses it is used double distilled... Maybe ask Paul.. he'd know ..this is a bit outside my area.

Good Luck.. 

jimbo

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: horstenj 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:16 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Demineralised water for clear base?


    
  Much slower than I hoped I'm prgressing with transforming my 4800 to a HP-C6 setup. I now run into the unanticipated issue that I have trouble to find the most mundane ingredient: water. Or more precise, distilled water. I've plenty of sources of demineralised water: DIY stores, drugstores, gas stations. All try to sell me it as being the same as distilled water, which is not true.

  Would demineralised water be equally well as distilled water or should I take no risk and search further?

  Joost



  

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My interest was piqued by this query, so I thought I had better double-check on the water I am using to mix my Carbon-6 inks (per Paul's formulae).  It is in fact labeled distilled water, which I purchase readily in one-gallon-sized containers from my local Seattle chain supermarket. (My cigar humidor also recommends distilled water!)  I didn't realize that it is apparently more difficult to come by in other locales (or countries.  What a nuisance. 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "horstenj" <j.h.j.h@...> wrote:

>
> Much slower than I hoped I'm prgressing with transforming my 4800 to a  HP-C6 setup. I now run into the unanticipated issue that I have trouble to find the most mundane ingredient: water. Or more precise, distilled water. I've plenty of sources of demineralised water: DIY stores, drugstores, gas stations. All try to sell me it as being the same as distilled water, which is not true.
> 
> Would demineralised water be equally well as distilled water or should I take no risk and search further?
> 
> Joost
>

Dunno,  but free water (as a by product) is available from yout basement dehumifier.

Assuming you have a clean catch container to begin with, and cleaned the coil fins, just loosely filter through folder kitchen paper, or cotton, then - to be safe, boil for 5 minute.... then presto. Equivalent to "Distilled water".

Only reason to boil, is to kill airborn organisms ans spores from the air (mildew et al.)

For ironing, no need to boil <vbg>

----- ascherjim <ascherjim@...> wrote:
> My interest was piqued by this query, so I thought I had better double-check on the water I am using to mix my Carbon-6 inks (per Paul's formulae).  It is in fact labeled distilled water, which I purchase readily in one-gallon-sized containers from my local Seattle chain supermarket.

Ummmmm phat phingers!  dehumifier = dehumidifier


----- -= Chris =- <baudec@...> wrote:
> Dunno,  but free water (as a by product) is available from yout basement dehumifier.

Hello Joost,

  we have been using, to make our homemade ink,  distilled water purchased off the shelf of a supermarket since four years, now. It is household grade, namely that used in a steaming iron. We never had troubles.

It is not the bacterial contamination that should worry you, since the ink mandate for an antibacterial anyway. But, rather, the residual salts/limestone that would deposit and permanently clog the printer head. For that matter, the household distilled water is good enough.

Ciao,

  Mantinieri

http://www.mantinieri.com

Thanks all.

Here in the Netherlands all suggested sources seem to supply demineralised water but no distilled water (although several advertise demi water as distilled). Fortunately I found a local online source for true distilled water (and, as positive side effect, also larger/cheaper amounts of glycerine)

Joost
 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Corrado" <mantinieri@...> wrote:

>
> Hello Joost,
> 
>   we have been using, to make our homemade ink,  distilled water purchased off the shelf of a supermarket since four years, now. It is household grade, namely that used in a steaming iron. We never had troubles.
> 
> It is not the bacterial contamination that should worry you, since the ink mandate for an antibacterial anyway. But, rather, the residual salts/limestone that would deposit and permanently clog the printer head. For that matter, the household distilled water is good enough.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
>   Mantinieri
> 
> http://www.mantinieri.com
>