Digital BW, The Print

Clayton, 

That was me that described Tyler's methodology of custom mixing inksets for a particular portfolio and he's been doing this for many years in many different combination. I have seen dozens of his best works over the years and they are NOT comparable to Epson solutions. They are certainly not for everyone in this world, but they are to many.

When Tyler stated that ABW "sucks", he was describing HIS visceral response to them when compared to what HE sees as a higher level of tonal and hue rendition. That's HIS opinion from HIS experience and he's earned that right to state it. It is still a free country and we are still entitled to these opinions. Some painters feel that acryic paints "suck" and that is their opinion and their right. I feel that type C prints suck and that's my opinion (Andreas Gursky disagrees and sells his prints for hundreds of thousands of dollars).  We are NOT all of the same mind and taste. Thank God.

john

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ClaytonJ" <cj@...> wrote:
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> Hello Tyler,
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> >John, I have had the revelation that that body of work was elitist and uber-classy. You should know that any mention of it has no place on this list.
> >Now that was a mocking tone, and the first of it in any of these most important and informative recent threads.
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> I hope that was a jest, but in case not please let me clarify.  My "elitist" concern was directed at Jon's "some people can't tell the difference" and someone else's (don't remember who) "good enough" remarks.  These can be interpreted as snide put downs, especially by beginners who often lurk in the forum, afraid to ask questions for fear of looking stupid or whatever (there are lots of them - I know because they often email me with questions and state that they are afraid to ask in public).  My concern, as I said before, is that the forum remain a welcoming and friendly place for everyone.  Those kinds of remarks hurt, they don't enlighten.
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> The elitist comment was not directed at you.  My only objection to your remarks was the use of "sucks" (as a complete dismissal of a widely popular process), which really surprised me because all these years you (along with Paul and Ernst as respected senior members) have been models of polite respect for all people and the various processes discussed here.  You have often been the moderate tone that soothed inflamed passions with humor and tact.  
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> Your printing skills are legendary and it is silly to infer that any mention of them is not permitted.  If your above remark was a jest it was not even a good one.  You aren't the sarcastic type...this isn't like you and it makes me worry.  Are you feeling ok?   You represent the upper end of the printer's art.  We need your example to light the way and teach us what is possible.  
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> I learned a lot from Bruce's posts re your work, especially the one that described the special processes you used on that custom job.  That's great stuff to read here.  It's the kind of thing that can inspire people to aspire to higher goals.  Remarks that imply that "some people aren't good enough" are not appropriate.  I hope this clarifies the issue.
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> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm
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