Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> 
wrote:
>
> Roy, Did you use something special to reveal the data that you shared or is
> that something available to the common Epson user? And is it something that
> can be found easily enough? 

Anybody can "Print to File" on Windows to get the output of the Epson driver.
I've got a program that helps to look at this but you'd have to know the
Epson printer commands to interpret it.

Roy

> 
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> 
> Steve's point as well as mine, is why give up complete color control by
> removing the yellow cart IF you also do color printing just to eliminate a
> small amount of a possible problem? I can see doing it if B&W is the sole
> intent with some tinting available, but even still how many tints are now
> off the table by getting your yellow cart out of the mix? 
> 
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> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy
> Harrington
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ink Comparison of Epson ABW and regular drivers
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> I assume you are referring to the Y ink being replaced with LLK. If so, yes
> you
> get rid of the 0.87% Y but there's more to the effect. I think you'll then
> find that 
> neutral is shifted quite a bit and you'll need to select warmer in the tone
> box 
> which will then also reduce LC and LM. Is it worth it? I guess it depends.
> 
> Roy
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <stevekale@> wrote:
> >
> > Or put another way, it¹s barely worth losing colour functionality (and
> > reduced B&W toning) for a mere 0.87% of dots!
> > 
> > It would be interesting to see this analysis run for some other settings
> > (e.g. warm and cool)
> > 
> > 
> > From: Roy Harrington <roy@>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhit
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:27:15 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhit
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Ink Comparison of Epson ABW and regular drivers
> > 
> > 
> > Since there's been talk about the two Epson driver modes I thought
> > it would be worthwhile seeing how they compare in ink usage.
> > The following "prints" were done to a file and analyzed to see what
> > commands were being sent to the printer.
> > 
> > Comparison of ink usage from the Epson R2400 with Epson driver
> > Image - grayscale 21 step wedge
> > Paper - Velvet Fine Art
> > Quality - Best Photo (1440x1440)
> > Both prints use 2 dot sizes, percents are weighted based on drop size
> > 
> > Epson ABW driver - neutral
> > total 100% dots 9,763,341 small 2,532,646 medium
> > K 31.27%
> > LK 26.15%
> > LLK 21.03%
> > LM 12.76%
> > LC 7.92%
> > Y 0.87%
> > 
> > Epson standard driver - Epson Velvet Fine Art profile
> > total 100% dots 10,393,768 small 2,694,351 medium
> > K 32.84%
> > LK 49.40%
> > LLK 1.29%
> > M 3.25%
> > LM 4.39%
> > C 2.90%
> > LC 2.37%
> > Y 3.54%
> > 
> > Some observations:
> > ABW uses a lot more LLK --- 16 times!
> > ABW uses a lot less Y --- 1/4 the amount
> > ABW uses no dark C and M
> > 
> > Interestingly this really supports the idea of replacing the Y
> > ink with a LLK ink with either driver.
> > 
> > Roy