Digital BW, The Print

Hi Mike - Thanks a lot, I'll give the Hahnemuehle a try.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mmrroott" <mike.rott@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM:*] [Digital BW] Moab papers


Hi Brian,

I downloaded them from the Hahnemuehle web site. The one I used was for 
PhotoRag
brightwhite for the Entrada fine art bright. I haven't used my sample of 
Natural yet because
it is something I would want to try with ABW or QTR once my MIS inks arrive.

Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Brian Ellis 
<bellis60@...> wrote:
>
> "I liked the Kayenta and Entrada papers very much after
> switching to the Hahnemuehle profiles (the moab ones were awful) . . . . "
>
> That's interesting. I've been using Moab Entrada Fine Art Natural as my
> principal paper for color and b&w for about two years. I use the Moab
> profile for it and everything was fine until the last batch of papers I
> bought. For some reason my prints no longer match the monitor display
> (monitor calibrated with Spyer II, printer Epson 2200, UC inks for color 
> and
> b&w with QTR). I also am having trouble getting my printer to feed this
> batch of papers from the top, I have to manually feed from the back a 
> single
> sheet at a time. I've been wondering whether Moab perhaps made some change
> to the Entrada papers because until this batch, received about a month 
> ago,
> after calibrating with Spyder II I always got a very good match between 
> the
> print and the monitor.
>
> Where did you find the Hahnemuehle profiles?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mmrroott" <mike.rott@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 12:46 PM
> Subject: [SPAM:*] [Digital BW] Moab papers
>
>
> Last week, I took the main advice from this group and replaced my
> broken 1280 with UT2 inks with a new R2400 and ordered the MIS K4+
> inks as well. This is quite a change from my old system, so I spent
> a fair amount of time going through the archives and trying to get
> myself up to date, downloading profiles etc and getting familiar
> with this machine. One thing I discovered is that EEM (my standard
> paper) is not longer well regarded. Also, I was interested in a
> satin-semi-gloss type paper in addition to matte. So, I headed out
> to my local store to see what they had, and came
> back with 2 sample packs, one from Hahnemuhe and the other from
> Moab. First thing I checked were the non-matte papers and color ink
> (I am waiting for the K4+ inks before getting too involved with the
> BW prints). In particular I was excited to try the H. Pearl but
> there was also the Kokopelli gloss, semi-gloss and satin to try. I
> must be missing something, because I found the Pearl to be the worst
> of the bunch. Yes, it has a nice feel (the back side anyway,the
> print side is odd feeling), the blacks aren't nearly as good as the
> others (or photo rag for that matter), the colors looked grainy in
> the shadows (non-smooth) and it has the most annoying sheen to it,
> that unless you are looking at it straight on, and even then it
> isn't perfect, is very distracting. What is all the fuss about with
> this paper? The satin, I thought i could live with and might make
> this my non-matte paper choice. I havn't gone through all the matte
> papers. I tried HPR, Very nice paper! If it wasn't for the price, I
> would probably use it. I think that goes for most of the Hahnemuehle
> papers. I liked the Kayenta and Entrada papers very much after
> switching to the Hahnemuehle profiles (the moab ones were awful), in
> particular the different weights and bright and natural versions of
> the Entrada gives a lot of flexibility. For the price the Kayenta
> seems great especially considering it is double sided which makes it
> great for proofing. I did also play a bit with the Epson
> ABW and QTR and found the QTR gave a much smoother print,
> particularly in the gradation in the sky which was very grainy with
> ABW. So, after all that, today I find this:
>
> http://www.legionpaper.com/pub/files/legionacquiresmoab.pdf
>
> Looks like Legion has just bought out moab. Any speculation on what
> this might mean for Moab papers?
>
>
>
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