I appologize Walt. You guys are right.I was wrong. It has been awhile since I did these tests and I don't do black and white on this paper on a regular basis. I went back and looked at my 8x10 prints done on the 2400 with PK. If you hold these prints at just the right sharp angle you do see some gloss differential. The optical effects on the Epson rc papers are far more distracting and coarse though. I used sheet media for SR and it was completely flat and that was hard to see, but if the print was not flat it would be more apparent for sure. The same situation applies to the color prints. When I use this media I spray it anyway but a lot of people are totally against toxic sprays and I agree it is disgusting to deal with. So it is there. However when sprayed with Premier Art it does disappear. Since I like my carbon monochome prints done on fine matte rag papers I'm not that involved with glossy output, and what a dmax reads on a densitometer is not a real concern for me. I believe it is also true that these rag glossy papers are in their infancy and will improve a lot. I think we all agree on that. John ------ > Ahem... on the basis of various posts about Sliver Rag, I bought a > box, made one print (on a 2400 w/K3) and... rather obvious gloss > differential. Yes, it's less pronounced than on other gloss papers > I've tried, but it's most definitely there. If you don't mind it, > that's fine, but I don't like prints that produce distracting optical > effects unless viewed in a certain, optimal way. Another problem (for > me) is that the surface is very sparkly when viewed in direct light > (e.g. a gallery spot) at certain angles. > > I'm not trying to make my prints look as though they're traditional > silver gelatin... I just don't want odd visual quirks causing people > to think more about the printing process than about the image. It's > otherwise a really good paper (the blacks are great), but I'm going > to keep waiting for better gloss coatings (and using matte papers) > for now. > > Harry > > On Jul 3, 2006, at 6:16 PM, john dean wrote: > > > -No, No, No, Walt. You can't use MK. It is designed for PK only. > > > > It works great with K3, no gloss differential really and no bronzing. > > I actually use it wit K2 and it also looks great. I put a light coat > > of Premier Art on it with K2 but not really necessary with K3. My > > tests on the 2400 right out of the box with ABW mode were excellent, > > awesome dmax for mono and color. A big difference from Premium Luster > > relief look with any Ultrachrome for instance. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > > visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > > to keep them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > > from the membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > > removed from the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules > > and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the > > group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" > > in the Files section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE > > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER > > INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL > > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF > > SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO > > OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > > GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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[Digital BW] Re: A Quick look at Silver Rag . . .
2006-07-04 by john dean
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