Digital BW, The Print

Bruce, Scott, Walt,

Before this becomes a pro vs anti NanoChrome conversation, I thought 
I would provide some clarifications.

First, InkVillage (specifically Michael Labella) were responsive to 
all of my questions; he were prompt in returning emails and phone 
calls. I have no ill-will toward them and I hope earnestly they solve 
the question so I can go back to enjoying the superb Dmax I was 
getting.

Additionally, the South Window test was actually suggested to me by 
Michael at InkVillage. The reason was that I was reluctatnt to load 
these inks on my 4000; the hassle, expense of associated is quite 
significant (~ $1000) and I could not risk of having to revert back 
to UC inks. So I bought the R220 only for my tests, otherwise I have 
no use for the printer.

Now I hate to air-out phone conversations, but Michael even suggested 
that I do the South facing test outside, with NO glazing in front of 
the prints. Sadly my home is not amenable to that approach. He also 
encouraged me to post the results WHEN they become available. Clearly 
something went wrong. I have asked Michael at InkVillage to go back 
and check their records to make sure that I was shipped the right 
ink, to make sure their dye ink was not shipped by mistake. For those 
wanting to dwell into this mystery, all I can say is call InkVillage. 
They do HAVE fade data, but according to their website, they are re-
doing all the tests.

http://inkvillage.com/News.htm

Now back to my results. In my original post I was clear (or so I 
hope) that this is a very limited test, for reasons I explained. No 
one is claiming that UC inks do not fade. Rather what I saw was that 
under specific, identical light exposure conditions in which the UC 
MK and PK inks did not fade to a measurable extent, prints made on 
the same corresponsing papers with Epson Dye K and NanoChrome K 
showed measurable, visually apparent fade. That is it, no more, no 
less. Is this real world? I don't know.

My own personal feeling is "damn shame". I was terribly excited about 
the inks. But in the same spirit of Robert Falcon Scott - I was 
taking a risk, I knew I was taking a risk, things have come out 
against us, therefore I have no cause for complaint. The R220 makes a 
nice test bed for future games with inks. You should see what K ink I 
have just put into it (Dmax 2.0 on HWT), and yes the prints are on 
the South window, and yes, I will report back in 18 or so days. Boy, 
now I am teasing.

In the final analysis, this is just photography; prints are not life 
and death. Have fun and enjoy making your prints.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Walt Mucha" 
<wkm@k...> wrote:
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> In the "test" Shilesh performed the Epson dyes faded, the 
Nanochromes faded, the Ultrachromes didn't. If these inks fade in 
this simple "test" I doubt they would fare well in any test Livick or 
Wilhelm would perform and that's my point. As to data. I wonder where 
it is. Inkvillage said it would be available in January. Well the 
months almost gone -------. I guess the beta testers haven't been 
released from thier NDAs either. No feedback from them, hmmmmmm.
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> Walt  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hogarth@s... [mailto:hogarth@s...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 06:15 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: more paper news
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> Walt Mucha wrote:
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> > Well the Epson dyes faded. The Nadachromes faded. The 
Ultrachromes 
> > DIDN'T. That's all the "data" I need. At least I don't have blue 
wool. 
> > Baaaaaah, baaaah,
> > baaaaaaaaaaah.
> >
> > Walt
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> Ultrachromes don't fade? Watcha smoking Walt?
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> Bruce Watson
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