Digital BW, The Print

Oh my! This is starting to sound a little too complicated. What are 
these alternative inks you are refering too? Will they work with the 
Epson 2200 and gloss papers? How about the quadtone rip? I may be 
better off shooting film and using a wet darkroom or buying the 2400.
Please explain.

Thnx!
Jo

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani" 
<shileshjani@b...> wrote:
>
> Jo
> 
> Having a RIP always provides more options and control. QTR is 
indeed 
> great. And yes, you can play around with different inks, but be 
> forewarned it will seriouly curtail your productivity (making 
usable 
> prints)initiallly. And no, I am afraid there are no proven b/w 
inks 
> for use with gloss type papers. That does not mean there are no 
> alternative inks - there are many. But, you will face one of the 
> following problems (1) gloss differential with pigment type inks 
from 
> MIS, InkjetMall, etc or (2) Metamerism from dye type inks from 
Lyson
> 
> The 2400 (or 4800 if you want larger prints) will be such a 
dramatic 
> improvement over your current 2200 that you may find all the 
messing 
> around rather unnecessary. And yes, you can use QTR will the 2400. 
> 
> For glossy, semi-glossy prints on the 2200 using Epson inks, QTR 
will 
> NOT reduce the pesky problem of bronzing/gloss differential. I 
forgot 
> to add earlier that if you are willing to spray coat (or laminate) 
> your prints than the bronzing/gloss differential can be reduced or 
> even eliminated. But perfecting spraying techniques is another PhD 
> project.
> 
> I am still under the assumption that you do not want to make a 
career 
> out of playing with inks. Currently there are no proven third-
party 
> pigment type b/w inks for the 2200 which will beat the 2400 out-of-
> the-box in the bronzing/gloss differential area.
> 
> Good luck, and if you can, sign up with Tom O'Connell's monthly 
print 
> exchanges. You get to see a variety of inks and papers.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBW-PrintExchanges/
> 
> I am working on a potential (unproven, no fade resistance data) 
> solution with NanoChrome inks, and if you are interested in 
playing, 
> send me an email, and I will walk you through it.
> 
> Shilesh
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Joanne 
Emerson" 
> <jojo_xmodel@y...> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Thank you, Shilesh! 
> > 
> > Will using a RIP provide more options for me?
> > I have downloaded and installed a quadtone rip, are there 
special 
> > inks I can buy for glossy or semi gloss papers if I use this 
> > software?
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh 
Jani" 
> > <shileshjani@b...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jo,
> > > 
> > > Welcome to this sometimes neurotic, disfunctional group.
> > > 
> > > I am going to assume you do NOT want to mess with loading your 
> own 
> > > inks, and playing around with RIPs, etc. Not knowing what you 
> find 
> > > lacking in the 2200 printer (and there are many limitations 
> > there), I 
> > > can tell you you have 2 options that will give you better 
> > Gloss/Semi 
> > > Gloss prints straight out of the box:
> > > 
> > > (1) Epson R2400 using the Epson Advanced Black and White (ABW) 
> > mode. 
> > > You will get better black density (Dmax) and a more neutral 
> print. 
> > > You can make the prints cooler, warmer, or other hues with 
> > relative 
> > > ease with ABW. The drawback is that there is still some 
residual 
> > > bronzing and gloss differential. But many people live with it, 
> > quite 
> > > happily.
> > > (2) HP printers with their Vivera inks. Make sure you look at 
a 
> > model 
> > > that supports the b/w ink cartridges. You will get excellent 
> > gloss, 
> > > semi-gloss prints. The drawback is that you are limited to the 
> > > recommended HP papers, which are not completely water proof. 
The 
> > > prints dry down just fine after 24 hours.
> > > 
> > > One way to go about is to take a lap-top loaded with the 
printer 
> > > drivers for the printer (down-load from manufacturer web 
site), a 
> > USB 
> > > cable, and head over to CompUsa. Ask them to hook up their 
> display 
> > > printers. If the manufacturer rep is around, you may not even 
> have 
> > to 
> > > buy the paper for the respective printers. Try them out, and 
see 
> > if 
> > > they suit your needs.
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > 
> > > Shilesh
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Joanne 
> > Emerson" 
> > > <jojo_xmodel@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Greetings everyone!
> > > > 
> > > >  A photographer friend recommended this group to provide me 
> with 
> > > > some answers to digital printing on glossy/semi-gloss papers.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm a former model who is now working at the other end of 
the 
> > > camera 
> > > > photographing other models to help them build and develop 
their 
> > > > books. When I shoot film I have access to a wet darkroom, 
it's 
> > > > messy, very time consuming but the results are quite good. 
For 
> > > > digital printing (Epson 2200 and high gloss/semi gloss 
papers) 
> > the 
> > > > results don't compare to silver prints. But I'd prefer to 
shoot 
> > > > digital and print on glossy papers, since b&w gloss prints 
are 
> > the 
> > > > industry standard requested by agencies for modeling 
> portfolios. 
> > > > 
> > > > Can someone make some recommendations for inks that will 
> improve 
> > > the 
> > > > quality of my digital prints on gloss papers. Hope to hear 
back 
> > > from 
> > > > someone soon.
> > > > 
> > > > Have a wonderful day!
> > > > Jo
> > > >
> > >
> >
>