Bob, The Lab readings depend on the paper, curve and ink batch. The "b" axis is variable. On the "a" axis I target a "neutral" tone (which I have generally defined at cyan = yellow in CMY density measures) that has positive Lab "a" that is less than 1.0). A typical PhotoRag "neutral" curve midtone from my 7600 UT7 setup is (58, 0.23, 1.23). For EEM a typical UT7 midtone would be (76, 0.52, -1.05) I'm using IJC for the 7600, so I don't have 21-step prints for it. (IJC use 26 steps). (These are from my 7600 IJC curves that are not that are not exactly "neutral" at this point. In fact, I seem to be moving to a slightly warm-neutral for matte prints on rag paper. For un-brightened paper like UltraSmooth-PremierArt and Permajet Alpha-Innova Soft Texture (I think), which I prefer, the curves are getting even a bit warmer.) The general shape of the curves are essentially the Lab relative density distribution for both IJC and my RGB curves. My old curves use a visual density 50% of 0.61, which is about L = 56. In IJC there is a slider that varies the gamma to whatever you want. As I've been saying for some time, I may move closer to a L 50 for the 50% midtone. As I'm working up the digital images, that workflow may determine this. I keep those files in Adobe RGB as I work them up. So, I'll probably end up making curves that more closely match my Spyder2Pro-calibrated monitor. Paul www.PaulRoark.com > -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob > Frost > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 6:33 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Advanced B&W was Re: 4800 v. UT7 1600 dpi scans > > Paul & Steve, > > What sort of lab readings does one get using UT7 to print a 21point > neutral > grayscale? > > Bob Frost. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Steve, > > For comparison, here is a 21 point set of readings (i1 and MeasureTool) > from > the R2400 using Advanced B&W with the default settings of Neutral/Darker. > > > > 1 94.21 -0.20 -3.60 > 2 89.45 -0.02 -3.20 > 3 84.62 -0.01 -2.88 > 4 80.46 -0.03 -2.68 > 5 75.57 -0.07 -2.89 > 6 70.99 -0.35 -2.68 > 7 66.51 -0.10 -2.14 > 8 61.72 -0.30 -2.01 > 9 57.06 -0.53 -1.93 > 10 52.32 -0.44 -1.95 > 11 48.09 -0.49 -1.63 > 12 43.16 -0.58 -1.62 > 13 37.83 -0.36 -1.14 > 14 32.26 -0.40 -0.94 > 15 27.61 -0.41 -0.65 > 16 22.82 -0.27 -0.43 > 17 17.83 -0.18 -0.39 > 18 13.03 0.03 -0.35 > 19 8.57 0.21 -0.03 > 20 5.52 0.04 0.18 > 21 2.93 -0.07 -0.33 > > The cool shift is due to the paper (Premium Glossy) showing through the > ink. > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
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RE: [Digital BW] Advanced B&W was Re: 4800 v. UT7 1600 dpi scans
2005-06-29 by Paul Roark
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