Digital BW, The Print

Curious - why not Print Shield for matte prints? What does it "do"
to them?

Scott

Paul Roark wrote:

> For glossy prints I use PremierArt Print Shield. For matte prints I use
> Lascaux Fixativ (see http://www.dickblick.com/zz217/14/ ).
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > Margaret Stratton
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:46 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Matte versus glossy dmax: a matter of physics?
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > What spray are you using on you prints. With MIS ink I assume.
> >
> > Thanks
> > M Stratton
> >
> >
> > On May 25, 2005, at 11:39 AM, Paul Roark wrote:
> >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > I think the best example that shows that the surface reflective
> > > characteristics are the main differences between matte and glossy
> > > papers
> > > with respect to dmax is that an Arches Hot Press, un-coated print
> > > jumps from
> > > about 1.5 to 2.5 with multiple coats of, for example, acrylic,
> > > applied to
> > > its surface to give it a gloss.
> > >
> > > The spectrophotometers we use for measuring dmax use nearly perfect
> > > lighting
> > > that avoids the problems of reflections. This gives the glossy
> > > papers a
> > > huge advantage.
> > >
> > > In the real world, a matte print sitting on my desk top appears to
> > > have a
> > > better dmax than a gloss print because the glossy print dmax is wiped
> > > out by
> > > reflections. That is, the nature of the lighting is what makes all
> > > the
> > > difference. If the display conditions are perfect, the glossy prints
> > > are
> > > terrific. If the lighting is bad, like a window behind the viewer,
> > > matte
> > > wins.
> > >
> > > Of course, if one puts glass over matte, you may end up with the
> > > worst of
> > > both worlds. So, my favorite is a sprayed Semimatte with no glass.
> > > But, I
> > > think both types of prints are important, and being able to print
> > > either
> > > matte or glossy is a critical part of any inkset I mix.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > davelongviews
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:29 AM
> > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Matte versus glossy dmax: a matter of physics?
> > > >
> > > > There has been a lot of discussion over extended periods on the
> > > group
> > > > regarding matte
> > > > and glossy dmax. Is it true that light SCATTERED at the paper
> > > surface is
> > > > what gives a matte
> > > > surface its look, and that very same scattering is what reduces
> > > dmax? And
> > > > with a glossy
> > > > paper less light is scattered, more is REFLECTED, dmax is greater,
> > > and you
> > > > have the
> > > > glossyness to deal with. In other words isn't it true that you
> > > can't have
> > > > a matte surface with
> > > > a truely large dmax? Aren't paper surface/glossiness and dmax
> > > directly
> > > > related in a way we
> > > > wish they weren't? Is it physically possible to separate the two?
> > > Any
> > > > thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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