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Re: [Digital BW] Qtr

2005-03-07 by Steve Kale

Nick 

If the Epson driver communicates with the printer and finds that the PK
cartridge is installed when it was expecting the MK cartridge or vice versa
it will stop jobs with the message you see.  You just said that you tried to
do "a colour print in Epson and the job stopped."  You need to get the Epson
printer communication sorted out first.  Get those clashes under control and
we can narrow down the confluence of errors and difficulty you are having.
Look at the message from below:

>>>> /System/Library/Printers/Libraries/PrintJobMgr/Contents/MacOS/PrintJobMgr
>>>> (PID 346) for job 15.
>>>> E [07/Mar/2005:09:29:24 -0500] [Job 15] fatal: The ink cartridge
>>> combination
>>>> currently installed in the printer is different from the one installed when
>>>> the printer was selected in Print Center. Delete the printer from the
>>>> Printer List in Print Center and then add it again.
>>>> E [07/Mar/2005:09:29:25 -0500] [Job 15] fatal: The ink cartridge
>>> combination
>>>> currently installed in the printer is different from the one installed when
>>>> the printer was selected in Print Center. Delete the printer from the
>>>> Printer List in Print Center and then add it again.
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:09:29:25 -0500] [Job 15] fatal: The ink cartridge
>>> combination
>>>> currently installed in the printer is different from the one installed when
>>>> the printer was selected in Print Center. Delete the printer from the
>>>> Printer List in Print Center and then add it again.

This issue is a known OS-X 2100 driver issue and the workaround is as I
described.

Steve

> From: nickmt <nickmt@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:07:06 -0500
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Qtr
> 
> 
> Stop the press.
> 
> We are not talking about in cartridges.
> 
> 
> Nick  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/7/05 11:51 AM, "Steve Kale" <stevekale@...> wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Well this stuff is going over my head but...the ink cartridge error message
>> is familiar.  Try doing the following.  Unless you use all the different
>> Epson drivers just add the Maximum driver.  This is the one that will centre
>> images and text on the page when you tell it to.  Start with the MK
>> cartridge in and add the Maximum driver via Printer Setup Utility.  Select
>> it and Command-I to get info on it - rename it to Epson Maximum MK or
>> something to denote MK.  Now put the PK cartridge in and re-add the printer,
>> changing its name to denote PK.  When you print with the Epson driver make
>> sure you print with the driver which is consistent with the cartridge that
>> is loaded at the time.  This will get around the " I [07/Mar/2005:09:29:25
>> -0500] [Job 15] fatal: The ink cartridge combination currently installed in
>> the printer is different from the one installed when the printer was
>> selected in Print Center. Delete the printer from the Printer List in Print
>> Center and then add it again" message. Does this make sense?
>> 
>> Start with that and make sure you can switch back and forth between the
>> Epson cartridges ok.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>>>> From: nickmt <nickmt@...>
>>>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:21:04 -0500
>>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Qtr
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Steve,
>>>> 
>>>> Enclosed is latest diagnostic.
>>>> 
>>>>  After false start I had success pressing feeder button for alignment and
>>>> then clicking print ­ it printed.  I don’t see what putting the lever to >>
> the
>>>> load cd tray position has to do with anything?
>>>> 
>>>> I then tied to do a color print in Epson and the ‘job stopped’.  Driver
>>>> seems to be corrupted.  I was on e-talk with Epson and all they told me was
>>>> clear out the root epson folder and, add the printer again.  Instead of
>>>> doing that I went back to qtr to try it again and job canceled with error
>>>> message listed below.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ll now re-add the epson...
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Nick
>>>> 
>>>> Last login: Mon Mar  7 09:18:38 on console
>>>> Welcome to Darwin!
>>>> /Volumes/QTRIP2.1/DiagnosticScript.command; exit
>>>> Nicholas-Kuskins-Computer:~ nicholaskuskin$
>>>> /Volumes/QTRIP2.1/DiagnosticScript.command; exit
>>>> 
>>>> ********************************************************************
>>>> 
>>>> **** QuadToneRIP Diagnostic Script --- Save Output for Analysis ****
>>>> 
>>>> ********************************************************************
>>>> 
>>>> Mon Mar  7 10:06:14 EST 2005
>>>> 
>>>> **** Printer Info ****
>>>> scheduler is running
>>>> system default destination: Quad2100
>>>> device for Quad2100:
>>>> usb://EPSON/Stylus%20Photo%202100?serial=L53030211280858300
>>>> device for Stylus_Photo_2100(Maximum): ///dev/null
>>>> device for Stylus_Photo_2100(No_Margins): ///dev/null
>>>> device for Stylus_Photo_2100(Roll_Paper): ///dev/null
>>>> device for Stylus_Photo_2100(Roll_Paper_-_No_Margins): ///dev/null
>>>> device for Stylus_Photo_2100(Roll_Paper_-_No_Margins_Banner): ///dev/null
>>>> device for Stylus_Photo_2100-1: ///dev/null
>>>> Quad2100 accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00
>>>> Stylus_Photo_2100(Maximum) accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00
>>>> Stylus_Photo_2100(No_Margins) accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00
>>>> Stylus_Photo_2100(Roll_Paper) accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00
>>>> Stylus_Photo_2100(Roll_Paper_-_No_Margins) accepting requests since Jan 01
>>>> 00:00
>>>> Stylus_Photo_2100(Roll_Paper_-_No_Margins_Banner) accepting requests since
>>>> Jan 01 00:00
>>>> Stylus_Photo_2100-1 accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00
>>>> printer Quad2100 now printing Quad2100-16.  enabled since Jan 01 00:00
>>>>         : GIMP-PRINT w=15480 l=180 r=180  h=11750 t=90 b=400
>>>> printer Stylus_Photo_2100(Maximum) is idle.  enabled since Jan 01 00:00
>>>> printer Stylus_Photo_2100(No_Margins) is idle.  enabled since Jan 01 00:00
>>>> printer Stylus_Photo_2100(Roll_Paper) is idle.  enabled since Jan 01 00:00
>>>> printer Stylus_Photo_2100(Roll_Paper_-_No_Margins) is idle.  enabled since
>>>> Jan 01 00:00
>>>> printer Stylus_Photo_2100(Roll_Paper_-_No_Margins_Banner) is idle.  enabled
>>>> since Jan 01 00:00
>>>> printer Stylus_Photo_2100-1 disabled since Jan 01 00:00 -
>>>>         kPMEventJobProgress:1 1 1 1 1 1 0
>>>> Quad2100-16             nicholaskuskin   226304   Mon Mar  7 10:02:41 2005
>>>> 
>>>> **** QTR Programs ****
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  21668  2 Jun  2004 /usr/local/bin/qacv
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  20684  2 Jun  2004 /usr/local/bin/qacvraw
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  20340  2 Jun  2004 /usr/local/bin/qadd
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  20472  2 Jun  2004 /usr/local/bin/qcurve
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  20088  2 Jun  2004
>>> /usr/local/bin/qdensity
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  16196  2 Jun  2004 /usr/local/bin/qdiff
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  19688  2 Jun  2004
>>> /usr/local/bin/qdotgain
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  19472  2 Jun  2004 /usr/local/bin/qgamma
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  19652  2 Jun  2004 /usr/local/bin/qgraph
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  19432  2 Jun  2004 /usr/local/bin/qlimit
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  14836  2 Jun  2004 /usr/local/bin/qline
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  20560  2 Jun  2004 /usr/local/bin/qmerge
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  22644  2 Jun  2004 /usr/local/bin/qpart
>>>> -rwxrwxrwx  1 nicholas  nicholas  23376  1 Mar  2004 /usr/local/bin/qpart2
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  19404  2 Jun  2004 /usr/local/bin/qplot
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  20524  2 Jun  2004 /usr/local/bin/qspline
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas   2974  2 Jun  2004
>>>> /usr/local/bin/quadcurves
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas   9952  2 Jun  2004
>>>> /usr/local/bin/quadprofile
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  staff     30672  5 Dec  2003
>>>> /usr/local/bin/quadraster
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  staff        2242  6 Mar 13:22
>>>> /usr/libexec/cups/filter/quadrastertoprinter
>>>> -rwxrwxrwx  1 nicholas  nicholas     2094  3 Sep  2004
>>>> /usr/libexec/cups/filter/quadtoneprint
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas  1177356 20 Sep 19:46
>>>> /usr/libexec/cups/filter/quadtoprinter
>>>> total 0
>>>> drwxr-xr-x  3 nicholas  nicholas  102  6 Mar 16:37 QuadTone.plugin
>>>> 
>>>> **** QTR Printer Descriptions ****
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  staff     8316  8 Dec  2003
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-10000-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2833 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-1160-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2902 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-1200-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2902 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-1270-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2916 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-1280-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2914 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-1290-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  staff     8361  8 Dec  2003
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-1520-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2837 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-2000-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2937 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-2100-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2937 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-2200-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2796 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-3000-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2892 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-4000-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  staff     8228  8 Dec  2003
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-5000-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  staff     8434  8 Dec  2003
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-5500-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  3060 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-7000-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  3061 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-7500-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  3089 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-7600-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2514 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-860-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2582 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-870-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2594 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-890-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  3189 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-9000-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  3190 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-9500-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  staff     7455  8 Dec  2003
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-960-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  3218 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-9600-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2515 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-980-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> -rw-r--r--  1 nicholas  nicholas  2712 19 Sep 15:44
>>>> /usr/share/cups/model/C/escp2-ex-quad.ppd.gz
>>>> 
>>>> **** USB connections ****
>>>> -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  41864  2 Mar 19:58 /usr/libexec/cups/backend/usb
>>>> direct usb "Unknown" "USB Printer (usb)"
>>>> direct usb://EPSON/Stylus%20Photo%202100?serial=L53030211280858300 "EPSON
>>>> Stylus Photo 2100" "Stylus Photo 2100"
>>>> 
>>>> **** CUPS Info ****
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:09:29:23 -0500] Job 15 queued on 'Stylus_Photo_2100-1' by
>>>> 'nicholaskuskin'.
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:09:29:23 -0500] Started filter
>>>> /System/Library/Printers/Libraries/PrintJobMgr/Contents/MacOS/PrintJobMgr
>>>> (PID 346) for job 15.
>>>> E [07/Mar/2005:09:29:24 -0500] [Job 15] fatal: The ink cartridge
>>> combination
>>>> currently installed in the printer is different from the one installed when
>>>> the printer was selected in Print Center. Delete the printer from the
>>>> Printer List in Print Center and then add it again.
>>>> E [07/Mar/2005:09:29:25 -0500] [Job 15] fatal: The ink cartridge
>>> combination
>>>> currently installed in the printer is different from the one installed when
>>>> the printer was selected in Print Center. Delete the printer from the
>>>> Printer List in Print Center and then add it again.
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:09:29:25 -0500] [Job 15] fatal: The ink cartridge
>>> combination
>>>> currently installed in the printer is different from the one installed when
>>>> the printer was selected in Print Center. Delete the printer from the
>>>> Printer List in Print Center and then add it again.
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:09:29:25 -0500] Saving printers.conf...
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:10:02:40 -0500] Saving printers.conf...
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:10:02:40 -0500] Printer 'Quad2100' started by ''.
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] Adding start banner page "none" to job 16.
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] Adding end banner page "none" to job 16.
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] Job 16 queued on 'Quad2100' by
>>>> 'nicholaskuskin'.
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] Started filter
>>>> /usr/libexec/cups/filter/cgpdftoraster (PID 353) for job 16.
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] Started filter
>>>> /usr/libexec/cups/filter/quadtoneprint (PID 354) for job 16.
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] Started backend
>>> /usr/libexec/cups/backend/usb
>>>> (PID 355) for job 16.
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] [Job 16] : QuadToneRIP: using curve
>>>> UC-EEnhMatte-cool
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] [Job 16] : QuadToneRIP: using curve
>>>> UC-EEnhMatte-warm
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] [Job 16] : HWResolution = [ 1440 720 ]
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] [Job 16] : ImagingBoundingBox = [ 9 40 774
>>>> 1175 ]
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] [Job 16] : Margins = [ 0 0 ]
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] [Job 16] : PageSize = [ 792 1224 ]
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] [Job 16] : cupsWidth = 15480
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] [Job 16] : cupsHeight = 11750
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] [Job 16] : stp_get_resolution(v) |1440super|
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] [Job 16] : stp_get_dither_algorithm(v)
>>>> |Ordered|
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] [Job 16] : GIMP-PRINT w=792 l=9 r=783
>>> h=1224
>>>> t=1215 b=40
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:02:41 -0500] [Job 16] : GIMP-PRINT w=15480 l=180 r=180
>>>> h=11750 t=90 b=400
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:10:02:49 -0500] Job 15 was cancelled by 'nicholaskuskin'.
>>>> E [07/Mar/2005:10:05:02 -0500] [Job 16] -536854447: Unable to send print
>>>> file to printer (canceled 0)
>>>> E [07/Mar/2005:10:05:07 -0500] [Job 16] -536854447: Unable to send print
>>>> file to printer (canceled 0)
>>>> I [07/Mar/2005:10:05:07 -0500] [Job 16] -536854447: Unable to send print
>>>> file to printer (canceled 0)
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:05:44 -0500] [Job 16] : HWResolution = [ 1440 720 ]
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:05:44 -0500] [Job 16] : ImagingBoundingBox = [ 9 40 774
>>>> 1175 ]
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:05:44 -0500] [Job 16] : Margins = [ 0 0 ]
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:05:44 -0500] [Job 16] : PageSize = [ 792 1224 ]
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:05:44 -0500] [Job 16] : cupsWidth = 15480
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:05:44 -0500] [Job 16] : cupsHeight = 11750
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:05:44 -0500] [Job 16] : stp_get_resolution(v) |1440super|
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:05:44 -0500] [Job 16] : stp_get_dither_algorithm(v)
>>>> |Ordered|
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:05:44 -0500] [Job 16] : GIMP-PRINT w=792 l=9 r=783
>>> h=1224
>>>> t=1215 b=40
>>>> N [07/Mar/2005:10:05:44 -0500] [Job 16] : GIMP-PRINT w=15480 l=180 r=180
>>>> h=11750 t=90 b=400
>>>> 
>>>> ********************************************************************
>>>> 
>>>> **** QuadToneRIP Diagnostic Script --- Save Output for Analysis ****
>>>> 
>>>> ********************************************************************
>>>> 
>>>> logout
>>>> [Process completed]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/7/05 5:40 AM, "Steve Kale" <stevekale@...> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I use the manual feed all the time on my 2100.  Just to run through the
>>>>>> sequence:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lever down
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Insert sheet 1cm past rollers (looking down from above)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Align against edge of printer
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lever up to envelope
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Press paper feed once and watch printer align itself.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In the driver I do not change any paper feed settings at all (Epson or
>>>> QTR).
>>>>>> I just leave it at the default Manual Sheet Feed for QTR.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You are right about the Epson driver not having a "feed" box - the
>>>> selection
>>>>>> of standard, maximum, no margins, roll paper etc is done when you Add
>>>>>> Printers: there is a different driver for each.  The Epson 2100 Maximum
>>>>>> driver is the only one that will centre prints - go to Printer Setup
>>>>>> Utility, Add Printer, Epson USB, and then look at the drop down menu to
>>>> see
>>>>>> the various drivers.  You can add one or all of them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: nickmt <nickmt@...>
>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 00:12:07 -0500
>>>>>>>>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Qtr
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I suppose I mean straight through feed, but I don¹t seem to have any
>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>>> with my Epson driver¹s for paper feed at all.  Nothing about auto
>>>>>> sheet
>>>>>>>>>> feeder not even in , maximum, no margins, roll, etc.  I just place
>>>>>>>>>> individual paper in the printer for each print I make.  For paper I
>>>>>> choose
>>>>>>>>>> Archival Matte Paper.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps in QTR I should try  the Illford heavy paper option?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/6/05 10:03 PM, "Roy Harrington" <roy@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't sounds like unusual paper.  By "manual feed" do you
>>>>>>>> mean the
>>>>>>>>>>>> straight-through feed?  Have you tried the auto sheet feeder?  I
> wonder
>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2100 printer or 2100 driver is somehow different.  What paper and
> feed
>>>>>>>>>>>> options are you picking in the Epson driver?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, nickmt
>>>>>>>> <nickmt@o...>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>

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