Digital BW, The Print

All you need for hextones is a printer (you will need that for MIS), a CIS
($150)...you will need that for MIS, and 2 bottles of ink (the ones that you
don't already have)...and the Piezo 6.0 uprades.

Robert

On 11/5/01 2:39 PM, "Alan Zinn" <AZinn@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> I guess I too was lucky - absolutely turn-key operation from the
> piezo system.  BUT... My 1160 printer suddenly croaked with ruined
> heads. Am I to drop another $50 for the Piezo 6.0 upgrade, and $390
> for the bloody hextone (the quad printers are out-of-date) inks to
> get back to square one? Or will I be just as happy with a MIS hex
> system @$76 for the inks?
> AZ
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sturos@m... wrote:
>> I am delighted that Jon Cone & Bill Bergh have so many loyal
>> supporters out there...and I certainly wish them no ill will,
> though I 
>> DID find their system maddeningly frustrating and expensive,
> primarily 
>> due to frequent clogs.
>> 
>> It may be that, as Bill Bergh once told me, that this is endemic to
>> using a fairly inexpensive printer (in my case an 1160) for a
> fairly 
>> sophisticated process in a manner in which it was never intended.
>> 
>> Perhaps.
>> 
>> My only comment/observation/complaint is this: I am a photographer,
>> not a printmaker. My primary objective is to make more and better
>> images in and through the camera, whether the recording medium is
> film 
>> or a CCD is increasingly a secondary concern.
>> 
>> PhotoShop is an amazingly powerful and precise tool, and after
>> printing black and white photos conventionally for more than 25
> years 
>> it's a pleasure to be able to work on and manipulate an image in PS
>> more effectively and in a more pleasant environment than I ever
> could 
>> in a darkroom doing things manually.
>> And no more spotting!
>> 
>> So, yeah, I expected a learning curve with Piezography. I expected
> to 
>> spend whatever requisite time was needed to further or additonally
>> calibrate my monitor, tweak settings for different sorts of images,
>> for instance defining PS actions to get levels to where they should
> be 
>> in photos that needed more or less contrast, or at least get close;
>> but basically to do whatever it took to get this system
> standardized 
>> and working.
>> 
>> But first and foremost, I expected the system to work, on a very
> nuts 
>> and bolts level, right out of the box, just like an Epson, just
> like a 
>> Pictograph....
>> 
>> I did not expect spend countless hours flushing the machine and
>> wasting valuable ink.
>> I did not expect to find that some of the very papers that are in
>> Cones own "Sample" pack needed to be sprayed to hold the ink to
> paper.
>> 
>> Someone replied earlier that when these problems/frustrations
> started 
>> to happen, that was when he (and I) started to check out some of
> these 
>> forums, and read about other peoples experiences/solutions to these
>> problems.
>> I was amazed to find all kinds of ingenous tricks to faciliate
>> unclogging the heads;
>> the windex/Fantastik method, blowing out bubbles with syringes,
> etc . 
>> etc.
>> 
>> Call me cranky; I guess I'm just not interested in that; it seems
>> unnecessarily fussy and time consuming, and frankly, on an ongoing
>> basis, I'd rather be working on the images than working on the
>> machinery used to produce them.
>> 
>> Maybe Lyson SG will work; maybe it will prove to be an inferior
>> product to the Piezography system and Cone inks. Maybe I'll find a
> way  
>> to tweak and standardize the Epson drivers to allow me to print
> black 
>> and white images to my satisfaction (they do a fantastic job in
> color, 
>> and the newer generation printers are drawing raves). Regrettably,
>> even Epson readily admits that their printers are not designed for
>> black and white printing.
>> 
>> And who knows, maybe in the end Piezography will work out all the
>> kinks and be the wonder it claims...For the guy on the list who has
>> printed 100's (1000's???)of prints without a clog or banding...well
>> brother, I wish that I'd had your luck.
>> All I'm saying is that for now it just doesn't do
> 
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