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Re: [Digital BW] A Call for Standards (Permanence/Stability)

2001-10-13 by derek_c@cix.co.uk

There's an easy way around that problem.

Offer a lifetime reprint guarantee, stamped or printed on the back of each 
print.

This won't affect the exclusivity of limited edition prints as each one 
has a number and you can ensure that the original is destroyed.

mark@... (Mark Tucker) wrote:

> (NOTE: This should also probably be labeled a Rant, but I 
> haven't written it yet, but it's early, and I'm hung over, and I just 
> got back from a long road trip and I've been shooting in a MaxSecurity 
> prison, so I'm feeling pretty raw and impatient.-MT)(But not "raw" like 
> "that"...)
> -----
> 
> Road trips are good. Especially road trips away from computers 
> and television. For me, I tend to get back into the big picture, and 
> stop micro-managing so much.
> 
> What's hit me about this list, and about the Epson9000 list, and I 
> guess the Piezo list too -- EVERYBODY just wants to know if their 
> prints are gonna last (not fade). They also want to know if they're 
> gonna shift color.
> 
> How many months (years) have we spent on these lists trying to 
> figure this out? And in my eyes, we still don't have much of an 
> answer. Wilhelm has flown the coop, or he's sitting in a 
> mountain bunker somewhere with a window, a flourescent bulb, 
> a tungsten bulb, and some ozone -- who knows? And what about 
> these supposed tests at RIT? Does anybody have any info on 
> those?
> 
> Personally, I'm ready to get on with it. I'm just at that point in my 
> life where I'd simply like to start making and selling prints, and I'd 
> like to shake a customer's hand and look them squarely in the 
> eye as I receive their check, and send them on their way feeling 
> solid and confident. (Right now, I honestly cannot do that). It 
> seems like for every positive post about a certain paper/ink 
> combination, there's another one a month later refuting those 
> results.
> 
> I understand that quote that Clark Thomas published (4099), but 
> at the same time, there's a point when you've got to stop testing 
> and start printing. That time, for me, is now. I am prepared to buy 
> almost any printer, if I can only be assured with some sound 
> backup that the prints are chemically stable. Hell, I might even 
> take the grandest leap of all, and get a PC machine to run my 
> 7000, if it turns out that Piezo is the most stable.
> 
> In my (uninformed) eyes, the two finalists right now are:
> 
> * Piezo inks on (?) paper.
> * Color Pigment inks on (?)
> 
> I may be wrong. If I am, please correct me, and fill in the blanks 
> for the papers. I have tried to start databases on this list, to try to 
> get feedback from people on their success stories. That 
> information never comes -- that leads me to believe that damn 
> near everybody on this list is sitting on the sidelines, with that 
> same puckered-up feeling that I have, wondering to themselves, 
> "will my prints fade in five years?"
> 
> I am looking for hard facts. Solid information. I guess sticking a 
> print in a window is OK, but I'd also like to hear from a chemist 
> also about chemical reactivity between certain inks and certain 
> paper coatings.
> 
> I like this the people on this list and all, but kinda like AA -- at 
> some point, you just feel like you ought to be ready to "graduate" 
> from it, and get on with your life. I'd say our goal, as a group, 
> should be to some time get together for a beer, but NOT to have 
> to talk about anything related to print permanence.
> 
> Restless,
> 
> Mark Tucker, http://marktucker.com
> 
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