Digital BW, The Print

You aren't using a curve and you are printing a grayscale file...therefore
it is automatically black ink (remember printing BW images with the Epson
driver with OEM inks?).  Printing a grayscale file there is nothing that
tells the printer that their is a quadtone inks.  You would have to use a
procedure like Paul uses with the MIS inks to get quadtone printing...at
which point you may as well use the MIS inks.

Robert


There is nothing in the eOn 10/13/01 12:28 AM, "Todd Flashner"
<tflash@...> wrote:

> Robert
> 
> I don't have any Eclipse on hand to test for myself, so please bear with me,
> as I'm trying to determine if this is worth buying more. I did try some
> samples which I liked, however I felt the blacks were too weak for my taste
> using both Piezo and MIS VM inks through the Epson driver (I don't own the
> Piezo driver so petitioning Cone for a profile isn't an option. ;-) ).
> 
> Why are you assuming that they are recommending black ink only, I don't see
> that said in their instructions? Have you tried the same technique with
> using all the inks? Black ink only is a particular option which is selected
> within the Epson driver--are you intentionally selecting that--are you sure
> you are using black ink only?
> 
> Todd
> 
>> Using this technique I just made a print on Eclipse Satine using PiezoBW
>> inks and the Epson driver that has a neutral black that exceeds Photo Rag
>> and Museo prints in density.  I don't have a densitometer...but it is the
>> deepest black I've ever seen on a matte paper.  The print does not have the
>> tonal range that a PiezoBW print using the Piezo driver has (because it is
>> only using one ink)...but it is really impressive.   I get better results
>> using the smooth side of the Satine.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On 10/12/01 11:22 PM, "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Martin.  Its critical to note that this may demonstrate the potential
>>> of the paper but it is not an answer...remember...all you are doing using
>>> this method is printing with black ink (no gray inks--its not a quad tone
>>> print)...we need a real profile for this paper...so please...everyone who
>>> would like to use PiezoBW with Eclipse papers email Jon to request it.
>>> 
>>> Robert
>>> 
>>> On 10/12/01 9:14 PM, "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I rather like Brightcube's Eclipse Satine for its texture, base white
>>>> and very neutral image with both the Piezo inks and the MIS VM inks.
>>>> I had a hard time with the Piezo inks as none of the profiles were
>>>> even close and my attemtps at customizing a profile was not totally
>>>> successful.
>>>> 
>>>> I just got an e-mail news letter from PhotoInkJet.com the on-line
>>>> store for Brightcube with the following instructions for using Piezo
>>>> inks with the Epson driver on Elecipse Satine. I have not tried this
>>>> and do not vouch for the results but thought that it might be of
>>>> interest.
>>>> 
>>>> Martin
>>>> 
>>>> "PIEZOGRAPHY B&W on BC Eclipse SATINE & VELVET PAPERS
>>>> The Cone driver that comes with the Cone Inks does not have a setting
>>>> that works with our BC Eclipse papers, therefore the values were not
>>>> as deep as expected and we experienced some banding now and then even
>>>> though all instructions where followed and the was printer was
>>>> aligned properly. We decided to see what the Epson 1160 driver ,
>>>> PhotoShop, and Cone B&W inks could do. Here's exactly what we did:
>>>> 1. In PhotoShop the image was adjusted so it looked perfect on the
>>>> screen, we used the Mac G4, ViewSonic monitor, and took down the
>>>> brightness five steps
>>>> 2. Second we selected a work space of "working greyscale 2.2 gamma"
>>>> and perceptual
>>>> 3. In the advanced window we selected : color - 1440dpi - automatic
>>>> color controls -
>>>> 4. In the 1160 driver we selected the Epson heavy matte media
>>>> 
>>>> With those steps completed, we then printed the test image of the
>>>> spiral staircase from Cones CD and it came out fantastic-no banding
>>>> with the full range of tones that are expected from a good B&W Piezo
>>>> print.
>>>> Bottom line: It is possible to achieve beautiful Piezo B&W images by
>>>> simply bypassing the Cone driver and using the above settings. "
>>>> 
>>>> 
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