Digital BW, The Print

Alessandro

Do you have any other images to share to show the results of oil mounting?  I haven't got my fluid yet so I have not been able to try it out.

Thanks.

Simon
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alessandro Pardi 
  To: 'DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:08 AM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson3200 - Test results


  Simon

  I think that even the most curled film would behave with the fluid. As for
  positioning the film, with 6x7 in the 4x5 area you have plenty of room (the
  only issue may be getting it vertically and horizontally aligned, but you
  can always rotate it in Photoshop). If you scan 4x5 you probably need a
  custom carrier (but then again, I didn't personally verify that the epson
  *needs* the carrier to perform calibration).

  Alessandro

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Simon Lamb [mailto:simon@sclamb.com]
  Sent: martedì 4 marzo 2003 10:57
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson3200 - Test results


  Alessandro

  Great!  I shall get some Kami fluid and try to emulate your success.    I
  take it that absolutley flat film is required, or does the surface tension
  of the fluid keep it flat?  Also, how do you get alignment of the frame to
  be scanned?  It seems that it might be difficult to get the frame square in
  the mddle of the 4"x5" frame.

  Regards.

  Simon
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Alessandro Pardi 
    To: 'DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com' 
    Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:43 AM
    Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson3200 - Test results


    Simon,

    step-by-step:

    1) Put the epson carrier on the glass. I think that if you skip this step
    the scanner may have problems in calibrating.
    2) Put a few drops of fluid on the glass, in the 4x5" area. My first try
  was
    2 drops, but this is barely enough to cover the 6x7 surface: with 4 you
  get
    some fluid overflowing, but that's not a big issue. 
    3) Place one edge of the film down on the fluid, then gently bend the film
    to avoid air being trapped (in my first attempt I got a couple air
  bubbles,
    and they are definitely visible in the final scan).
    4) Scan away.
    5) Remove the film. The fluid very quickly evaporates. Kami say that it
    leaves no residues, both on film and on glass: this isn't completely true,
    but I don't feel it's a problem.

    BTW I started these tests to verify whether focus plane was on glass, or
    where the carrier keeps the film, or anywhere in between. Laying the film
  on
    the glass with no fluid gives NO better results on my scanner, and
  generates
    Newton rings. So the better quality I get with the KAMI isn't due to
    focusing, but to the fluid itself.

    Alessandro

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Simon Lamb [mailto:simon@...]
    Sent: martedì 4 marzo 2003 10:23
    To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson3200 - Test results


    Alessandro

    An impressive result.  I am getting some great scans from the 3200 now,
    especially since I swapped to Silverfast Ai and calibrated the scanner
  with
    the reflective and transparent targets.  Even the Delta 100 black and
  white
    scans are much better.  To the untrained and non-critical eye they are not
    that different from the Flextight Photo at normal viewing distance.

    Can you provide some step by step instructions for how you are mounting
  the
    images you scanned.  Are you using fluid direclty on the platten or have
  you
    fabricated a glass carrier?

    Thanks for working to show how scans can be improved.

    Simon
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Alessandro Pardi 
      To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:05 AM
      Subject: [Digital BW] Epson3200 - Test results


      Sorry if this is a bit OT, but I thought some may be interested in the
      performance of this new scanner.
      Tests I made are not comparison with other scanners (you can find plenty
    of
      them on the web), but simply how to get the best out of it. As you can
  see
      in the following image:

      http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299
  <http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299> 
    < http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299
  <http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299&size=lg> &size=lg>
  &size=lg

      I found that the Kami fluid SXL 2001 is well worth the trouble of both
      finding it and using it (it's a bit messy, although less than I feared).
      Technical details in the photo.net page should fully explain the test,
  but
      feel free to ask for further information.

      The following is the first "real" scan (not including tests, I mean) I
    made
      with the Epson:

      http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580
  <http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580> 
    < http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580
  <http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580&size=lg> &size=lg>
  &size=lg

      all other photographs in my photo.net folders are 35mm scanned with a
    Canon
      FS 4000.


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