Digital BW, The Print

Thanks Jerry,

I just made a couple of prints and the blacks don't seem reddish to me
today. I've got to stop working with this stuff in the wee hours of the
morning, when I have no good judgement at all. ;-)

I'm very happy to have a very workable system, and at the price of these
inks I can afford to mess around.

Todd

PS, speaking of papers, you tried the NEW Somerset Photo Enhanced, right? I
think I remember you saying it felt flimsy, but how was it's surface and
image? I'm still looking for something like a smooth Torchon. Not as smooth
as EAM, but less tooth than Orwell, or Torchon, but better blacks than
Museo. I know, so are a lot of people. LPM is too cool for me, and a bit too
smooth. I'll try the Brightcube papers now. They didn't perform well for me
with the VP3, because they don't seem to work well with Piezo inks (not with
out a special curve or profile anyway) but I hear good things about it with
MIS inks...

>> Snippy snippy...
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> Todd, I don't think I see any red in the blacks!
> 
> When wet, the prints seem just a TAD lighter than when dry, but not much.
> 
> For printing the good stuff, I prefer to judge the prints in diffuse daylight.
> They don't look bad at night either, but how bright are your
> tungsten lights? They have different temperatures. Low wattage lights are much
> warmer than, say, 200 watters, which is all I have in my
> home. Fluorescent tubes have too many variations to even think about, your
> eyes will itch!
> 
> Paul just sent me another curve set, so we aren't in the final version yet.
> But I don't think the actual colors will change much from here
> on out.
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>> Over all I think I like it just fine, just have to get in the flow...
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> I'm sure you'll love it when you get used to it.
> 
> Still wandering about the Epson Archival paper. I've never seen a green on it.
> And don't most people who DO see a green shift use piezo
> inks? Maybe it's the paper AND the ink together that cause it. Or maybe its
> just a bad batch of ink. Or Gawd help us all, the ozone turns
> pigments green and dyes orange? I don't even want to think about it. (No ozone
> problems in N. Dakota).
> 
> The blacks on the Epson Archival are still pretty impressive for the low cost
> of this paper. And with Paul's cool curve, It didn't shift in
> nearly 3 months in a South window.  The blue in the ink probably prevented it
> from noticeably shifting towards brown.
> 
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>> Oh, one thing about color. With both the VT and VP3, I find a print that
>> looks neutral in tungsten will be rather cool in daylight. I don't know if
>> this is metamerism.
> 
> You know, most magazine ads don't look identical in different lighting sources
> either. Neither do my acrylic paintings, but they are so
> close, I just gotta ask, who cares? BOY we're picking nits here.  In warm
> light, I just think it's natural to see colors just a hair warmer.
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>> as it follows the natural color of the light sources,
>> but it does make critical judgements about color difficult. You like your
>> prints cooler than I do, so I'll probably stay one curve warmer than you do.
>> Do you find the MIS inks dry down cooler than they look when fresh?
> 
> Not cooler, but a tiny bit darker, with more tonal separation in the shadows.
> 
> Remember you can also move the epson slider to get a tone BETWEEN the curves!
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> Jerry
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