Digital BW, The Print

OK -
They are doing all prints themselves B/W as well as color
in and oldfasiond wet darkroom. I now and then use my darkroom,
as well going wet all the way.
I agree to some sence - That if I do better there I value that print
higher - but I'm here as the members of the club - If using that
"picture" I know I'm not "cheating". 

But to get it short - The_picture_shall_stand_for_itself - it's 
qualities lies above that of the way that it was done. The technichs
used shall allways subordinate the *Picture* - whatever method used
If it so whas "Artificial Intelligence" that made the *Picture*!

It's purpose is only to appel to or give *some* spectator *feelings*! 

That's my own defination - It might so be, a picture that for has
*to much suger in the coffee* or is not understandable of me - but 
gives me a *feeling*. (Even if a zoom was used /smile/) even if it's 
blurru but gives some spectators that *feeling* 
So it is in most other artforms!

So I'll start that civil war - until I'm throuwn out of that 
Photoclubs of mine! I have temper, good and bad, so, as I said - they 
must react in some way!

But is this the way to go - war instead of love - but that would mean 
me standing there in the wet darkroom souping chemicals the old 
fasion way....or to refrase it "fight for ones rights" - that sound 
better but is the same - not? Oh - I'm 55++ years old - schould not 
evulution stop there??/smile/ 
I'm still fighting for progrees like 1968, for freedom of art.
Schould that war not ended "from the beginning" - it's just a
*Picture* nothing less nothing more! And I'll put my pictures in that 
corner of "experimental" photo - I'll try to fill the walls all over 
the photoclubs of mine - I now have a hole summer to prepare 
my "collection" for that!
 
"Computer selfmade photos"!!!!??? For them that is!
  

Bo Wrangborg
Sweden




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "husseyhussey" <mh@t...> 
wrote:
> After spending thousands on digital equipment (piezo, printers, 
> profiling equip., drum scanner etc..) I have no money left for 
zooms. 
> But I wish I did; they will be my next purchase. I've taken quite a 
few 
> weddings recently and have decided that changing lenses too fast is 
> putting too much wear on my cameras (not to mention having to lug 
> around many pounds for a everything)  For 35mm zooms are great, but 
for 
> anything larger (like the Hassys) you end up with a lens that is 
twice 
> as big, heavy, and expensive. Arguing about that is like arguing 
about 
> film speed everyone should use; you use what you need to for your 
> situation.
> 
> As far as the whole "experimental" vs standard in contests and 
salons, 
> That surprises me, since all the labs here now print everything 
(done 
> by machine that is) digitally. If I want a cheap machine reprint 
from a 
> 35mm negative (or 120 actually) they feed it into a machine (a 
frontier 
> usually) that scans it and then prints it. And if you look at it 
> closely enough you can see the pixels (usually requires a loupe)
> 
> But on the other hand, now I can get 8x10s printed onto fuji 
crystal 
> archive for only $1.90  (from digital files)
> 
> Tell the members of your group that unless they are printing all of 
> their images by hand in chemistry (and not using a commercial lab) 
they 
> have no room to argue.
> 
> -mh
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "sm7bxd" <sm7bxd@y...> 
wrote:
> > Hi - You got it right,
> > 
> > There is nothing wrong with photojournalism - it's a job for a 
> > photographer needing an zoom to get that very picture without
> > changing lens at all, many with 800 ASA films - I have done it 
myself.
> > 
> > That's why I said - what I said - Zooms and photojournalism hangs 
> > toghther not! Often handheld, often in a hurry, to catch up all 
those
> > assignments to make his/hers living. Good pictures had been 
taken - 
> > but how many lost - when the winder rips the film through the 
> > camerahouse!
> > 
> > Zoom is a splended tool for a splendid photournalist - not right??
> > Zoom is also not a splended tool for 100 ASA trying to do fineart.
> > Zooms are bad because - try to buy one for a deasent price for an 
> > Hasselblade - did you see one of those?
> > 
> > Did You ever see a zoom an a LF-camera? 
> > 
> > And those cameras *could* certainly stand a zoom better than 35 
mm 
> > camera.....or are they that good now...that I shall window out 
> > everything over 35 mm???
> > 
> > I own zooms as well - but that is for vaccation when traveling 
light 
> > with my 35 mm camera. But is that little filmpiece on a 35 mm 
camera 
> > best toghether with a zoom?
> > 
> > Ah - you know what I mean - and all of this is out of topics for 
this
> > forum - not? And out of topics of my main question:
> > _____________________________________________________
> > 
> > My question was about "Is quad, PIEZO and color pigment to be 
> > regarded as "experimental" photo?
> > ___________________________________________________
> > (For those who forgot this was the real topic of this inlay!)
> > 
> > And You starts arguing about the situation where I mensioned the 
Word 
> > zoom in a sence - that was the beginners at my photoclub was 
using 
> > zooms and only have one camerahouse not able to switch film - 
that 
> > might be more important in certain situations!
> > That was a picture of how it looked at my photoclub - where I'm 
> > regarded as a stranger since the computer does the picture 
> > automaticly for me - just like the autofocus of those Nikon 
> > Zoomlenses - it was playing with words - to give you a certain 
> > feeling.
> > 
> > But one good fellow did understand what i meant - and that good 
> > answer came from Áustralia. 
> > 
> > Read that one!
> > 
> > The others here either don't care or don't want to hold that hot 
> > potatoe!
> > I have a feeling that most hang their quads/Piezo next to the 
> > siverphotos - not saying a word!
> > 
> > This was also written with some satir - but who cares?
> > In what legue do Quad/Pizo play - none cares!
> > Strange indeed! Remarkable!
> > 
> > 
> > Fiat Lux!
> > 
> > Bo Wrangborg
> > Sweden
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