Digital BW, The Print

My expectations would be that the bw reproduction doesn't look green under daylight or red under tungsten. That is where it is now. 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jimbo" <mrjimbo@...> wrote:
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> Against my better judgment.. :-).. I agree that software today is integral and used to produce  pretty much any form of print process today..  So maybe that part was not appropriate...But I think he was coming from a different place. POD printing is a form of production printing that absolutely is not to be considered as a high end print process.. It's functional and effective and works but not appropriate for a real high end expectation in product.. 
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> These printers are dialed in globally to achieve a level of quality over a broad spectrum of image types.. Thus they typically average out their out put .. To a critical eye this just doesn't work.. A good source can give you acceptable output but in truth you will be willing to accept something less then perfection. This is an easy compromise for some and not so easy for others.. In my own client base I see a broad range of expectation regarding what is acceptable in out put..
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> As far as neutral.. well what's neutral for me might not be neutral for you.. So it's a subjective thing.. I have participated in several POD efforts in the past few years.. In truth it's been a ride.. From "OH my God how could they"  to "ya know that's not too bad".. Printing of any kind is a subjective process.. If your on your first POD effort.. it can be challenging.. once you have a relationship with a source it's gets easier. Anyway if your expectations are too high then maybe not the best way to go..
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>   Subject: RE: Re: [Digital BW] Monochrome POD Book Publishers
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>    What does that have to do with the topic at hand? The OP was asking about printing books with POD services. Adobe doesn't enter into it.
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>    Read Bob's reply. Software is integral to the process and to achieve best results the end user needs to understand what he or she is doing with their software of choice and to have understanding of what the publisher can do and expects from image files.
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>   Things have progressed quality wise for POD publishers over the past few years. And as I said or excuse me as I tried to imply the process isn't exactly a black box.  If at first you don't succeed let the publisher know. That's part of their service. If they fail to please you then move on to another service; there are a lot of them out there so they must be doing something right. It's much like looking for good Pro labs in the film days. Good ones (pod publishers) are pricey. Excellent ones are expensive. 
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>   I might even suggest trying Costco for an affordable alternative for ones personal needs. On the other hand if you plan to sell through photo-eye then one needs to accept the fact that real $$$ are going to be needed. 
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>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>   "Sorry but that's not accurate. Using Blurb's CMYK profile and software like InDesign neutral B&W is feasible. The bigger problem is likely to be a shorter dynamic range than one has with photo sensitive or ink jet prints."
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>   Actually I was speaking from experience specifically with Blurb. Their process is not going to produce a neutral B&W print, unless by complete accident, and even then, it depends on who is looking at the images. There really isn't such a thing as a completely neutral B&W image, especially with their printing method.
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>   "Besides look at what you are paying for the book. One offs for $50 to $100 aren't going to look like a 600 line repro or even a copy of Lenswork. If you are dissatisfied they will reprint or refund. There are quite a number of POD publishers and Blurb is probably the best know. Google reviews for B&W POD and that will lead you to more information about other publishers."
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>   Exactly my point. POD publishers all use equipment that simply can't do the job for high end B&W (it is my understanding from talking to a couple of them, that they are all using pretty much the same machinery). It isn't designed for it.
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>   "So if you subscribe to Adobe CC you will have access to products like InDesign. After stewing over the new licensing model I think CC is a bargain."
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>   What does that have to do with the topic at hand? The OP was asking about printing books with POD services. Adobe doesn't enter into it.
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