Folks may also want to take a look specifically at Sample ID# 148 in the Aardenburg test results database. This sample is a very neutral B&W print sample that was printed on a Z3100 in it's grayscale mode on HN photo rag. Presumably, HP's grayscale mode is similar to Epson ABW in maximizing use of the photogray colorants and reducing other colorants to a minimum in order to achieve the desired tint, in this case a very close "pure neutral gray" under D50 illuminant. Sample #148 has reached 100 Megalux hours in test, and was due for its 120 Mlux hour update in mid October. Regrettably, the exposure cycle for this batch of samples and a couple of others has been running a few months behind schedule, but the batch finally reaches 120 megalux hours tomorrow. I hope to have the updates posted by the end of next week. cheers, Mark http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla <e.dinkla@...> wrote: > > On 12/05/2012 07:12 PM, Paul wrote: > > > At the end of the PDF I have an Appendix that looks at the HP neutral > > 50% patch performance of some of the tests at > > http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/ . It might be of interest to > > those who want a neutral ink that seems to have handled the > > differential fading issue the best. The 50% neutral test patches -- > > RGB and GS -- presumably have some of the color HP inks in them also. > > So, this is obviously not a perfect view of how the separate neutral > > inks will perform. But, given the reality of incomplete information, > > the tests of the HP neutral patches are still impressive. > > > > Paul www.PaulRoark.com > > Paul, > > There will be no color HP inks in the patches. Not if the profiling has > been done on the printer itself. The papers are almost neutral, the PK > ink tends to be slightly cool b -1.6 (Pearl is b 1.6) and the Z3100 > models use an extreme UCR so no composite greys even in color mode. At > least that is what I observed with Photorag patches under a microscope. > The test results represent your future (Vivera only) prints too in my > opinion. What shifts is mainly the paper white itself, L goes up 0.4-1 > DE right away like in most papers, then becomes almost stable, b gets a > bit warmer in time. > > On the unfaded Photorag patches it is interesting to see the MK patch of > 100% as neutral/warm where the 80% patch is cool, PK taking over there > on the neutral spine, the lighter patches will be Grey and Light Grey > ink. From the 80% to paper white the b is crossing the neutral axis, the > paper white shift in time to warm has the same influence, no color ink > there and no color ink shift happening in my opinion. MK black does not > shift either. Pearl uses the PK black + the grey inks + gloss enhancer > and has no OBA in the paper. > > ColorByte learned something of what HP engineers did with the Z3100 > media presets and made similar ones for the Epson x900 models in ImagePrint: > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/the_weakest_link.shtml > > It can go the other way too: > When I got my HP Z3100 more than 5 years ago I upgraded my Wasatch > Softrip to drive that printer too. The first thing I noticed was that > Wasatch had lousy media presets compared to the HP driver. In that case > the third party driver did a bad job on all kinds of ink mix > substitutions; black generation, N-color hue substitutions etc. A > microscope on the prints told enough. The HP driver relied on an extreme > UCR and also replaced much of the cMmY mixes with RGB inks where > possible. I noticed much more "metamerism" with the Wasatch prints and a > higher ink consumption. I also predicted less color stability in > printing and less fade resistance in time. The Vivera pigments are in > itself more fade resistant than the Epson UltraChrome HDR inks (yellow > remains weak) but the HP engineers were clever enough to improve on that > with the design of the media presets. > > For the Z3200 the UCR approach may be less Spartanic, it will be > interesting to see whether that is reflected in the Aardenburg tests. > > > -- > Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla > > http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm > December 2012: 500+ inkjet media paper white spectral plots. >
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[Digital BW] Re: 7800 Eboni-6 plus HP neutral/cool gray ink K3 setup
2012-12-06 by Mark
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