Hi guys: I've been reading this exchange of views and feelings and I find it very interesting intellectually. I started digital B/W with 3 1280's, each loaded with a different set of PiezoTone inks, trying to find what I could be satisfied with as a methodology for making new prints digitally, that would be as satisfying to me as the Dektol prints of the same images I have on the walls of my apartment. I would constantly compare the two, using the Dektol prints as the standard to match. A few years back, Amadou Diallo invited a bunch of us during the Photo Expo here in NYC to a "Print-Off" of one of his images. It was there that I had the pleasure of meting a number of the members of this forum and seeing the results... the printmaking of as many participants as were present, plus one. The one was Tyler's print, sent to add his input. Only one of the prints was an ABW... all the others were from dedicated monochrome printers. Looking at the many versions of the same image, I felt comfortable that my prints were holding their own, I was surprised and impressed at the quality of the lone ABW print and found myself learning from the interpretations of the image in the other prints shown. When I saw Tyler's print I remember suddenly having the feeling that my prints sucked. They were fine up to that point, but suddenly looked lifeless. The detail was there, the feeling was not. We all spent quite a bit of time discussing Tyler's print, examining the tonal range, the tonal contrasts.... everything. I don't know what the others thought about comparing their work to that print, but that was the beginning of my communicating directly with Tyler, asking him about his methodology and trying to find out what the "secret sauce" was. It wasn't the "sauce"... it was his vision, his previsualization realized that was the difference. Gentlemen..... we are all in pursuit of the holy grail in our work, and I doubt if there are any 3 of us who use the same stuff and work the same way. I am now printing with a 4880 and ABW, a 7600 with Special Edition K7 and a Z3100, all making B/W prints. I find the image to be the challenge and I will use whichever methodology I have, that brings the image to life.... that gives me the interpretation I want to enjoy. We are sometimes our worst critics; we tear up a lot of good expensive ink and paper.... because 'it sucks', just because we are trying to take our printmaking to a higher level. We should not take offense in this effort, when someone is ahead of the curve and trash talks what is going on. Somewhere down the line, we ourselves will move to a new plateau and feel exactly the same way about what we thought was acceptable a few moons ago. This is the forum for that level of critique.... perhaps not for the beginner who might be sensitive to costs and learning curves. This stuff is expensive and not easy to master. The out of the box alternative is getting a lot better, a lot more appealling.... but it will not sit in first class... not yet, and frankly, I personally hope the OEM engineers never get there. My 2 cents. Richard Massie _www.rmassiephotography.com_ (http://www.rmassiephotography.com) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Reply to Jon and Tyler re ABW - Was Aard. Tests
2010-04-10 by CorrPro96@aol.com
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