Can you get the dw-8000 sound with the microkorg/MS-2000
2005-06-14 by yazzofever
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2005-06-14 by yazzofever
2005-06-22 by Richard Brackin
The korg microkorg boasts 64 of the dwgs waveforms of the old dw-8000.
I have the microkorg and these waveforms sound AWESOME!! I have been
told that essentially the microkorg sounds just like the dw-8000. is
that true?
has anyone ever checked them out side by side?
micah
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2005-06-22 by Stefan Rinass
> The korg microkorg boasts 64 of the dwgs waveforms of the old dw-8000.Nop, the DW (i have the EX) sounds imo totally different compared to the
> I have the microkorg and these waveforms sound AWESOME!! I have been
> told that essentially the microkorg sounds just like the dw-8000. is
> that true?
>
> has anyone ever checked them out side by side?
>
2005-06-26 by jezzthomas
--- In DW8000@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Rinass <st@r...> wrote:
> yazzofever wrote:
>
> > The korg microkorg boasts 64 of the dwgs waveforms of the old
dw-8000.
> > I have the microkorg and these waveforms sound AWESOME!! I have been
> > told that essentially the microkorg sounds just like the dw-8000. is
> > that true?
> >
> > has anyone ever checked them out side by side?
> >
> Nop, the DW (i have the EX) sounds imo totally different compared to
the
> KORG MS-2000 (which is nearly the same like the Microkorg). The DW
> sounds after all better, more "analogue" (who�s surprised: the DW/EX
> -is- analogue, except the Wavetable-Oscillators, the MS2K/Microkorg has
> a (slow) DSP inside). Can�t understand why the MKorg/Ms2K should
have 64
> different "DW"-Waveforms; the original DW has 16 WF (together with
> OSC2=so seen 256 WF). The MKORG has so seen four Oscillators and the
> DW/EX 8000 eight.
>
> I think that the DWGS-Waveforms are rather unuseful on the newer
> machines, they�re imo only good for emulating weird organs. The
> MS2K/MKorg is good for short leads and effects while the DW has more
its
> strenght in smooth strings/"emulating" flutes etc and -some- basslines
> and afterall it sounds more "fat". So they�re imo absolutely not
> comparable together. The MS2000-DSP-driven Synths from KORG are,
> referred to the sound, so seen "alone" between all other KORG
> Synths=>they sound good, but not like KORG (bcoz of this was the
MS2K so
> seen a big flop, they wanted to produce a MS20-successor, but it didn�t
> succeed and the Microkorg/Legacy Pack is the rest of this era) . Ever
> heard a MS20, Polysix, Mono/Poly? I know, they are expensive (specially
> the MS 10/20, but i don�t know why the Polysix is nowadays such
> expensive=>it isn�t -that- special machine, as everyone believes!)....
>
> Greetings
>
> Stef
2005-07-12 by Stefan Rinass
> //posted this a few days ago, but for some reason it did not get through//
>
> Not side by side, but I have owned a Polysix, a DW8000, played about
> with a MS2000 and currently own a DSS1
>
> IMO, it's down to the filters.
>
> The MicroKorg is basically a MS2000 engine, and the MS2000 is
> basically a re-engineered MS20. It's sharp and bleepy. A very extreme
> filter, I think 2-pole. I've not owned any of these, but from playing
> about with them, I would say that they are very different beasts from
> a DW8000
>
> The Polysix has a superbly smooth filter. IIRC, it's the same filter
> chips as a Prophet-5, and much better than it's close rival, the
> Juno60. The Juno has a better oscillator section though. Both the Juno
> and Polysix have rather distinctive sounds, and you can often hear
> both of them on albums recorded about 1982-3, notably Simple Minds'
> New Gold Dream.
>
> The DW8000 is a strange one. It's a complete failure at what it sets
> out to do - basically to use complex waveforms as the basis fo the
> sound instead of simple ones. The piano waveform for instance does not
> sound like a piano, and you don't have the control that you need to
> shape the sound into piano shape. The filter is on the weak side - it
> neither has the smothness of the polysix, or the nastyness of the
> MS20. But despite the failings of the DW range (I understand the
> DW6000 is just plain crap), the DW8000 does have a good (but again
> very distinctive) feel and sound to it. But it either works for you or
> not - It's a love it or hate it synth.
>
> The DSS1 is everything that the DW8000 wanted to be and wasn't. If
> you're familiar with a DW8000, you'll recognise most of the
> programming parameters, but inside, it's a different beast
> alltogether. You sample your own waveforms, the new-improved 2-4pole
> filter has all the qualities I loved in the Polysix, and it sounds
> fan-tas-tic, all this without really coloring the sound so you can
> tell what it is in a mix. Of all the older Korgs, the DSS1 is the one
> synth you just cannot argue with. It is awsome.
>
> I know that Korg included a lot of the old DW waveforms and then some
> on the MS2000, but they will sound different with the MS2000 filter -
> it's no substitute for a DW8000
>
> --- In DW8000@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Rinass <st@r...> wrote:
> > yazzofever wrote:
> >
> > > The korg microkorg boasts 64 of the dwgs waveforms of the old
> dw-8000.
> > > I have the microkorg and these waveforms sound AWESOME!! I have been
> > > told that essentially the microkorg sounds just like the dw-8000. is
> > > that true?
> > >
> > > has anyone ever checked them out side by side?
> > >
> > Nop, the DW (i have the EX) sounds imo totally different compared to
> the
> > KORG MS-2000 (which is nearly the same like the Microkorg). The DW
> > sounds after all better, more "analogue" (who�s surprised: the DW/EX
> > -is- analogue, except the Wavetable-Oscillators, the MS2K/Microkorg has
> > a (slow) DSP inside). Can�t understand why the MKorg/Ms2K should
> have 64
> > different "DW"-Waveforms; the original DW has 16 WF (together with
> > OSC2=so seen 256 WF). The MKORG has so seen four Oscillators and the
> > DW/EX 8000 eight.
> >
> > I think that the DWGS-Waveforms are rather unuseful on the newer
> > machines, they�re imo only good for emulating weird organs. The
> > MS2K/MKorg is good for short leads and effects while the DW has more
> its
> > strenght in smooth strings/"emulating" flutes etc and -some- basslines
> > and afterall it sounds more "fat". So they�re imo absolutely not
> > comparable together. The MS2000-DSP-driven Synths from KORG are,
> > referred to the sound, so seen "alone" between all other KORG
> > Synths=>they sound good, but not like KORG (bcoz of this was the
> MS2K so
> > seen a big flop, they wanted to produce a MS20-successor, but it
> didn�t
> > succeed and the Microkorg/Legacy Pack is the rest of this era) . Ever
> > heard a MS20, Polysix, Mono/Poly? I know, they are expensive (specially
> > the MS 10/20, but i don�t know why the Polysix is nowadays such
> > expensive=>it isn�t -that- special machine, as everyone believes!)....
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Stef
>
>
>
>
>
>
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2005-07-14 by Glen Stegner
>Well, I'd have to disagree with you on the DW-8000 filter, it's one
> The DW8000 is a strange one. [......] The filter is on the
> weak side - it neither has the smothness of the polysix, or
> the nastyness of the MS20. But despite the failings of the
> DW range (I understand the DW6000 is just plain crap), the
> DW8000 does have a good (but again very distinctive) feel
> and sound to it. But it either works for you or not - It's
> a love it or hate it synth.
> The DSS1 is everything that the DW8000 wanted to be and wasn't.I own both the DSS-1 and the DW-8000, and I'd have to agree with you
> If you're familiar with a DW8000, you'll recognise most of the
> programming parameters, but inside, it's a different beast
> alltogether. You sample your own waveforms, the new-improved
> 2-4 pole filter has all the qualities I loved in the Polysix,
> and it sounds fan-tas-tic, all this without really coloring
> the sound so you can tell what it is in a mix. Of all the older
> Korgs, the DSS1 is the one synth you just cannot argue with.
> It is awsome.