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RE: [DW8000] Korg EX-8000 display flashes once, then nothing! Please help!

RE: [DW8000] Korg EX-8000 display flashes once, then nothing! Please help!

2019-03-30 by John Rose

Based on the voltages on the regulator IC’s  1-4 it looks like they are creating a virtual ground so the –ve of the bridge is not ground, the centre pin on one of the 7805’s would be a better ref, in which case it looks like a problem around IC3 as this is probably shutting down due to something further on in the circuit drawing to much current.

 

I would disconnect the power and check the resistance between the output and ground on IC3 which I suspect will be very low if not a short.

 

Obviously this means that you only need to concentrate on the parts of the circuit fed by IC3 for the moment.

 

The voltage on IC4 also looks wrong but I would just check this again with the correct ground ref as this may actually be OK if it reads -5V

 

Many thanks

 

John Rose

 

From: DW8000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DW8000@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 26 March 2019 16:35
To: DW8000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DW8000] Korg EX-8000 display flashes once, then nothing! Please help!

 

 

I recently picked up a Korg EX-8000 which unfortunately I have not been able to see in working condition.

 

I'll try to explain where I'm at:

 

Upon startup the display flashes once (very quickly) and then flashes off (never to return).

I haven't tested for audio output because I figured it's not possible without a display.

 

First thing I tried was to check all cable connections and to replace the bridge rectifier. 

Next was the capacitors - first the larger ones (6800u, 4700u, 1000u). No change.

 

I replaced D10 and D11 with IN4148's and tried replacing IC1 and IC4 (7805 and 7905 voltage regulator).

Still no change.

 

I noticed that LED1 is not working (the service manual says it's a LT-8201p - I've no idea how to replace this or of it's importance/relevance to the circuit).

 

Checked all resistors for o/c, changed out all the 16v electrolytics (they're all 25v and up now), diode tested the SR1K-2's in circuit (some were reading both ways which i think is normal in circuit - I still may replace these with IN4007's out of desperation).

 

These are some DMM voltage measurements which I took after I'd replaced the components as above:

 

10v AC out of each transformer secondary.

25v DC between the + and - pins of the new bridge rectifier (W04).

 

Using the DC -'ve pole of the bridge rectifier as reference):

 

IC1 (7805): 25v- 13v -18v

IC2 (7805): 25 - 13 - 18

IC3 (7805): 25 - 13 - 13

IC4 (7905): 13 - 0 - 8

 

To KLM771: 14.6 - 9 - 16 - 7 - 19..6 - 29.1

To KLM662: 14.6 - 9 - 19.6

To KLM766: 14.6 - 19.6 - 14.1 - 29.1

 

I have not yet looked at: 2SB744 (PNP) or either of the 2SA1175K (PNP's also - where's the NPN's ??)

as these could be difficult to replace.

---

 

I am concerned that perhaps some of these high voltages have damaged chips on adjacent boards but any thoughts/suggestions/assistance will be very gratefully received. 

 

Thank-you!

RE: [DW8000] Korg EX-8000 display flashes once, then nothing! Please help!

2019-04-03 by z7x76catnvcrna6acgnqrrxmku6o7mmirs43my3w@...

Thanks John! I really appreciate your reply.

You were dead right. It was IC3 that was preventing the synth from firing up.
I replaced it with a cheap 7805 from altronics and the unit is working fine.

Do you think it would be wise to replace all of the 7805's and also the 7905 as well - so that they're all new - or is it likely that IC3 only failed due to something further down (do you mean just within the power supply?) drawing too much current (I assume this equates to a failed component).

Is it normal (safe) for the 7805's to be dropping 7v and the 7905 to be dropping just over 8v?
Even after replacing IC3 IC's 2-4 especially are super red hot, despite a rather large heatsink being attached. 
Someone mentioned to me that the 7805's and 7905 might be being used for current limiting rather than voltage regulation. Does this make sense? How do i know what the 7x05's are being used for?

Thanks again, Waz

RE: [DW8000] Korg EX-8000 display flashes once, then nothing! Please help!

2019-04-04 by John Rose

If you still have the original IC’s have a look at them carefully as the do come in different variant with varies current capabilities and it could be possible that when you replaced IC3 that the version used was not a high enough current model.

 

As far as the voltage drop on these most are rated up to 30V or higher on the input so the volt drop should not be a problem, they can be run quite hot around 80 degrees but if you could use a higher current rated part this would bring the operating temp down a bit.

 

This is a link to a datasheet for a version of the 7805 with a 2.5A capability, having a look at this may also help with understanding what is going on and why you got the shutdown condition before.

 

http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1904473.pdf?_ga=2.50632617.1652918337.1554395948-985662631.1433240701&_gac=1.12305152.1554395948.EAIaIQobChMI2ODIiPC24QIVDZztCh0SIgJKEAAYASAAEgIbWfD_BwE

 

 

Many thanks

 

John Rose

 

(www.astrodevelopments.com)

 

From: DW8000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DW8000@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 03 April 2019 18:46
To: DW8000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DW8000] Korg EX-8000 display flashes once, then nothing! Please help!

 

 

Thanks John! I really appreciate your reply.

 

You were dead right. It was IC3 that was preventing the synth from firing up.

I replaced it with a cheap 7805 from altronics and the unit is working fine.

 

Do you think it would be wise to replace all of the 7805's and also the 7905 as well - so that they're all new - or is it likely that IC3 only failed due to something further down (do you mean just within the power supply?) drawing too much current (I assume this equates to a failed component).

 

Is it normal (safe) for the 7805's to be dropping 7v and the 7905 to be dropping just over 8v?

Even after replacing IC3 IC's 2-4 especially are super red hot, despite a rather large heatsink being attached. 

Someone mentioned to me that the 7805's and 7905 might be being used for current limiting rather than voltage regulation. Does this make sense? How do i know what the 7x05's are being used for?

 

Thanks again, Waz

RE: [DW8000] Korg EX-8000 display flashes once, then nothing! Please help!

2019-04-08 by ghonis

Hi John,
----- Original Message -----
From: 'John Rose' johnhenryrose@... [DW8000] <DW8000@yahoogroups.com>
To: DW8000@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 12:45:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: [DW8000] Korg EX-8000 display flashes once, then nothing! Please help!

If you still have the original IC’s have a look at them carefully as the do come in different variant with varies current capabilities and it could be possible that when you replaced IC3 that the version used was not a high enough current model.
As far as the voltage drop on these most are rated up to 30V or higher on the input so the volt drop should not be a problem, they can be run quite hot around 80 degrees but if you could use a higher current rated part this would bring the operating temp down a bit.

This is a link to a datasheet for a version of the 7805 with a 2.5A capability, having a look at this may also help with understanding what is going on and why you got the shutdown condition before.
http://www.farnell...com/datasheets/1904473.pdf?_ga=2.50632617.1652918337.1554395948-985662631.1433240701 <http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1904473.pdf?_ga=2.50632617.1652918337.1554395948-985662631.1433240701&_gac=1.12305152.1554395948.EAIaIQobChMI2ODIiPC24QIVDZztCh0SIgJKEAAYASAAEgIbWfD_BwE> &_gac=1.12305152.1554395948.EAIaIQobChMI2ODIiPC24QIVDZztCh0SIgJKEAAYASAAEgIbWfD_BwE Many thanks John Rose (www.astrodevelopments.com)

From: DW8000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DW8000@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 03 April 2019 18:46 To: DW8000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DW8000] Korg EX-8000 display flashes once, then nothing! Please help!
Thanks John! I really appreciate your reply.
You were dead right. It was IC3 that was preventing the synth from firing up.
I replaced it with a cheap 7805 from altronics and the unit is working fine.
Do you think it would be wise to replace all of the 7805's and also the 7905 as well - so that they're all new - or is it likely that IC3 only failed due to something further down (do you mean just within the power supply?) drawing too much current (I assume this equates to a failed component).

Is it normal (safe) for the 7805's to be dropping 7v and the 7905 to be dropping just over 8v? Even after replacing IC3 IC's 2-4 especially are super red hot, despite a rather large heatsink being attached.
Someone mentioned to me that the 7805's and 7905 might be being used for current limiting rather than voltage regulation.

Does this make sense? How do i know what the 7x05's are being used for?

Thanks again,
Waz