Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

A couple of weeks ago I was posting a question about a quite unusual
effect with my hihat (DTXP III ST, HH65/TP65S) where sometimes trigger
signals got lost if a step on the hihat pedal was immediately followed
by a hit on the hihat pad. In the meantime I found out that for some
reason the trigger settings for the "pad type" had changed. Changing
them to "RHH" for example solved the problem. I also looked up the
standard settings for input 8 but I found the manual in that context
not really clear. My question: Does anybody know the optimal "pad
type" settings?

Thanks for any replies in advance
-Bongo-

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...> 
wrote:
> A couple of weeks ago I was posting a question about a quite unusual
> effect with my hihat (DTXP III ST, HH65/TP65S) where sometimes 
trigger
> signals got lost if a step on the hihat pedal was immediately 
followed
> by a hit on the hihat pad. In the meantime I found out that for some
> reason the trigger settings for the "pad type" had changed. Changing
> them to "RHH" for example solved the problem. I also looked up the
> standard settings for input 8 but I found the manual in that context
> not really clear. My question: Does anybody know the optimal "pad
> type" settings?

Bongo,

I would think that the RHH 130 pad type would be appropriate for the 
DTXP3SP and that the TP65 would suit the STD edition. If the RHH 130 
pad type eliminates the problem, you could just stay with it (the RHH 
120 never made it to market). If, however, the problem is bugging 
you, like it would me, you might experiment with the hi hat offset 
(Utility menu) and possibly sensitivity (Voice menu) parameters. 
Certain values may cause the controller to interfere with the hi hat 
pad sounding. It may have something to do with the module's alternate 
group of an open hi hat and a closed hi hat, preventing them from 
sounding at the same time. Just a hypothesis. The only other thing 
that occurs to me at the moment is that your polyphony is exhausted, 
which would be too much of a coincidence unless it happened at the 
same time every time you, say, played along the same way with a 
certain song on the sequencer. Long shot, I know.

Ed

Both the original RHH130 and the replacement had a slip of paper that
indicated the proper setting for several brains.  The only thing I remember
for sure off the top of my head was something about "4" for the DTXP3.

I still have the paper, I'll try to remember to check back tonight.

Charlie

bongokonzelmann wrote:

>A couple of weeks ago I was posting a question about a quite unusual
>effect with my hihat (DTXP III ST, HH65/TP65S) where sometimes trigger
>signals got lost if a step on the hihat pedal was immediately followed
>by a hit on the hihat pad. In the meantime I found out that for some
>reason the trigger settings for the "pad type" had changed. Changing
>them to "RHH" for example solved the problem. I also looked up the
>standard settings for input 8 but I found the manual in that context
>not really clear. My question: Does anybody know the optimal "pad
>type" settings?
>  
>

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...> 
> wrote:
> > A couple of weeks ago I was posting a question about a quite 
unusual
> > effect with my hihat (DTXP III ST, HH65/TP65S) where sometimes 
> trigger
> > signals got lost if a step on the hihat pedal was immediately 
> followed
> > by a hit on the hihat pad. In the meantime I found out that for 
some
> > reason the trigger settings for the "pad type" had changed. 
Changing
> > them to "RHH" for example solved the problem. I also looked up the
> > standard settings for input 8 but I found the manual in that 
context
> > not really clear. My question: Does anybody know the optimal "pad
> > type" settings?

Okay, glancing once again at your the subject heading of your 
message, I notice that you're plugging a TP65S into input 8. That 
being the case, the rim might be enabled. If so, when you hit the pad 
after a foot fall on the controller, could you be hitting a rim 
without a programmed sound, thereby causing the lost trigger signal? 
If this reasoning is correct, the RHH 130 would correct the dropout, 
since it doesn't allow any switch functions.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Charles Baer <charlie@i...> wrote:
> Both the original RHH130 and the replacement had a slip of paper 
that
> indicated the proper setting for several brains.  The only thing I 
remember
> for sure off the top of my head was something about "4" for the 
DTXP3.

I wonder if the "4" was a rejection number, based on the bug we 
noticed that shipped with the DTXP2.

Now I'm not sure, so don't carve this into stone ;) , but I think it was 
sensitivity
for the trigger input.

Just stirring the cracked pot, will try to remember to write it to the 
list tonight.


emf wrote:

>--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Charles Baer <charlie@i...> wrote:
>  
>
>>Both the original RHH130 and the replacement had a slip of paper 
>>    
>>
>that
>  
>
>>indicated the proper setting for several brains.  The only thing I 
>>    
>>
>remember
>  
>
>>for sure off the top of my head was something about "4" for the 
>>    
>>
>DTXP3.
>
>I wonder if the "4" was a rejection number, based on the bug we 
>noticed that shipped with the DTXP2.
>  
>

Ed,

thanks for the prompt response.

Indeed I checked again and the setting which solved the problem
actually was the "RHP" or "TP1/Tom" (instead of "RHH" as mentioned below).

I don´t think it´s a polyphony problem as the trigger signal losses
also occur with no song playing in the background or other pads hit at
the same time. It also only appears when the hihat pad is hit rather
softly. 

Regards     -Bongo-




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:

> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...> 
> wrote:
> > A couple of weeks ago I was posting a question about a quite unusual
> > effect with my hihat (DTXP III ST, HH65/TP65S) where sometimes 
> trigger
> > signals got lost if a step on the hihat pedal was immediately 
> followed
> > by a hit on the hihat pad. In the meantime I found out that for some
> > reason the trigger settings for the "pad type" had changed. Changing
> > them to "RHH" for example solved the problem. I also looked up the
> > standard settings for input 8 but I found the manual in that context
> > not really clear. My question: Does anybody know the optimal "pad
> > type" settings?
> 
> Bongo,
> 
> I would think that the RHH 130 pad type would be appropriate for the 
> DTXP3SP and that the TP65 would suit the STD edition. If the RHH 130 
> pad type eliminates the problem, you could just stay with it (the RHH 
> 120 never made it to market). If, however, the problem is bugging 
> you, like it would me, you might experiment with the hi hat offset 
> (Utility menu) and possibly sensitivity (Voice menu) parameters. 
> Certain values may cause the controller to interfere with the hi hat 
> pad sounding. It may have something to do with the module's alternate 
> group of an open hi hat and a closed hi hat, preventing them from 
> sounding at the same time. Just a hypothesis. The only other thing 
> that occurs to me at the moment is that your polyphony is exhausted, 
> which would be too much of a coincidence unless it happened at the 
> same time every time you, say, played along the same way with a 
> certain song on the sequencer. Long shot, I know.
> 
> Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...> 
wrote:
> Ed,
> 
> thanks for the prompt response.
> 
> Indeed I checked again and the setting which solved the problem
> actually was the "RHP" or "TP1/Tom" (instead of "RHH" as mentioned 
below).

Bongo,

RHP stands for "real head pad," which was the term used for the mylar 
pads that came with the first version of the DTXtreme. Because the 
module increases the signal when set for that type of pad, and 
because your problem occurs only with light hits, I'm lead to believe 
that your gain/minumum  velocity settings for input 8 aren't 
adequate. What happens when you raise the gain a notch or two and 
lower the min vel? 

Ed