Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I'm nearing completion of my DTXpressII kit editor but I've hit a 
problem which is looking like a bug in either the sysex 
documentation or the unit's operating software.  If anyone here has 
any ideas to offer, or a contact at Yamaha they can send my question 
to, I'd appreciate it.

Basically, I am using the Parameter Change Sysex message to edit the 
kit and have no trouble getting the unit to respond correctly to 
everything except the Song Tempo under KIT COMMON.  If I send 
Parameter Number (8 8 - -) I have no problem selecting the song.  
However, the two Tempo Parameter Change messages do not appear to 
work.

Parameter Number (8 9 - - ), which should set Tempo MSB, appears to 
do nothing while Parameter Number (8 10 - -), LSB, always resets the 
Tempo to --- no matter what the value of the data byte sent.

Anyone got the experience or contacts to solve this one?

Thanks,

Peter

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "the_kin_doc" <softhouse@o...> wrote:
> I'm nearing completion of my DTXpressII kit editor but I've hit a 
> problem which is looking like a bug in either the sysex 
> documentation or the unit's operating software.  If anyone here has 
> any ideas to offer, or a contact at Yamaha they can send my 
question 
> to, I'd appreciate it.
> 
> Basically, I am using the Parameter Change Sysex message to edit 
the 
> kit and have no trouble getting the unit to respond correctly to 
> everything except the Song Tempo under KIT COMMON.  If I send 
> Parameter Number (8 8 - -) I have no problem selecting the song.  
> However, the two Tempo Parameter Change messages do not appear to 
> work.
> 
> Parameter Number (8 9 - - ), which should set Tempo MSB, appears to 
> do nothing while Parameter Number (8 10 - -), LSB, always resets 
the 
> Tempo to --- no matter what the value of the data byte sent.
> 
> Anyone got the experience or contacts to solve this one?

Peter,

OGD has been handling the correspondence about the kit editor with 
Yamaha. When he sees your post, he'll probably forward the question.  
If you hear from someone else or figure it out yourself, let us know.

Ed

Peter,

I have forwarded you questions to Yamaha.

OGD

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> 
> I'm nearing completion of my DTXpressII kit editor but I've hit a 
> problem which is looking like a bug in either the sysex 
> documentation or the unit's operating software.   If anyone here has 
> any ideas to offer, or a contact at Yamaha they can send my question 
> to, I'd appreciate it.
> 
> Basically, I am using the Parameter Change Sysex message to edit the 
> kit and have no trouble getting the unit to respond correctly to 
> everything except the Song Tempo under KIT COMMON.   If I send 
> Parameter Number (8 8 - -) I have no problem selecting the song.   
> However, the two Tempo Parameter Change messages do not appear to 
> work.
> 
> Parameter Number (8 9 - - ), which should set Tempo MSB, appears to 
> do nothing while Parameter Number (8 10 - -), LSB, always resets the 
> Tempo to --- no matter what the value of the data byte sent.
> 
> Anyone got the experience or contacts to solve this one?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter
> 
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Peter,

Here is Yamaha's response to your question:

"Regarding the Parameter Change message he pointed out,
I found there is a bug in DTXPRESS, DTXPRESS II & III.

Problem:
  Module don't recognize Parameter Change
Model: 
  DTXPRESS, DTXPRESS (II,III) 
Detail: 
  Module don't recognize Parameter Change follows:
  Parameter Number P1=8 P2=9  tempo select MSB
  Parameter Number P1=8 P2=10 tempo select LSB

Bug fix will be made to next release of DTXPRESS III firmware."

So, I guess that setting won't be functional until the firmware is 
updated.

OGD




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "the_kin_doc" <softhouse@o...> wrote:
> I'm nearing completion of my DTXpressII kit editor but I've hit a 
> problem which is looking like a bug in either the sysex 
> documentation or the unit's operating software.  If anyone here has 
> any ideas to offer, or a contact at Yamaha they can send my 
question 
> to, I'd appreciate it.
> 
> Basically, I am using the Parameter Change Sysex message to edit 
the 
> kit and have no trouble getting the unit to respond correctly to 
> everything except the Song Tempo under KIT COMMON.  If I send 
> Parameter Number (8 8 - -) I have no problem selecting the song.  
> However, the two Tempo Parameter Change messages do not appear to 
> work.
> 
> Parameter Number (8 9 - - ), which should set Tempo MSB, appears to 
> do nothing while Parameter Number (8 10 - -), LSB, always resets 
the 

> Tempo to --- no matter what the value of the data byte sent.
> 
> Anyone got the experience or contacts to solve this one?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter

Hmmm so the problem is documented to affect all modules (I, II, III), but
a bug fix is *only* forthcoming for the III? Can we verify that? If that
is not the case, what is the upgrade path for us lowly II and below
owners?

Vern

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oldguydrummer said:

> Peter,
>
> Here is Yamaha's response to your question:
>
> "Regarding the Parameter Change message he pointed out,
> I found there is a bug in DTXPRESS, DTXPRESS II & III.
>
> Problem:
>   Module don't recognize Parameter Change
> Model:
>   DTXPRESS, DTXPRESS (II,III)
> Detail:
>   Module don't recognize Parameter Change follows:
>   Parameter Number P1=8 P2=9  tempo select MSB
>   Parameter Number P1=8 P2=10 tempo select LSB
>
> Bug fix will be made to next release of DTXPRESS III firmware."
>
> So, I guess that setting won't be functional until the firmware is
> updated.
>
> OGD
>
>
>
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "the_kin_doc" <softhouse@o...> wrote:
>> I'm nearing completion of my DTXpressII kit editor but I've hit a
>> problem which is looking like a bug in either the sysex
>> documentation or the unit's operating software.  If anyone here has
>> any ideas to offer, or a contact at Yamaha they can send my
> question
>> to, I'd appreciate it.
>>
>> Basically, I am using the Parameter Change Sysex message to edit
> the
>> kit and have no trouble getting the unit to respond correctly to
>> everything except the Song Tempo under KIT COMMON.  If I send
>> Parameter Number (8 8 - -) I have no problem selecting the song.
>> However, the two Tempo Parameter Change messages do not appear to
>> work.
>>
>> Parameter Number (8 9 - - ), which should set Tempo MSB, appears to
>> do nothing while Parameter Number (8 10 - -), LSB, always resets
> the
>> Tempo to --- no matter what the value of the data byte sent.
>>
>> Anyone got the experience or contacts to solve this one?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Peter
>
>
>
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>   Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
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>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress
>
> Alternate DTXpress site:
>   http://www.dtxpressions.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks.  It's a shame the bug is there but, on the other hand, it's 
nice to know I'm not going mad :-).

I should have the program ready for beta testing in the next 48 
hours.

Peter

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" <rdamon@m...> wrote:
> Peter,
> 
> Here is Yamaha's response to your question:
> 
> "Regarding the Parameter Change message he pointed out,
> I found there is a bug in DTXPRESS, DTXPRESS II & III.
> 
> Problem:
>   Module don't recognize Parameter Change
> Model: 
>   DTXPRESS, DTXPRESS (II,III) 
> Detail: 
>   Module don't recognize Parameter Change follows:
>   Parameter Number P1=8 P2=9  tempo select MSB
>   Parameter Number P1=8 P2=10 tempo select LSB
> 
> Bug fix will be made to next release of DTXPRESS III firmware."
> 
> So, I guess that setting won't be functional until the firmware is 
> updated.
> 
> OGD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "the_kin_doc" <softhouse@o...> 
wrote:
> > I'm nearing completion of my DTXpressII kit editor but I've hit 
a 
> > problem which is looking like a bug in either the sysex 
> > documentation or the unit's operating software.  If anyone here 
has 
> > any ideas to offer, or a contact at Yamaha they can send my 
> question 
> > to, I'd appreciate it.
> > 
> > Basically, I am using the Parameter Change Sysex message to edit 
> the 
> > kit and have no trouble getting the unit to respond correctly to 
> > everything except the Song Tempo under KIT COMMON.  If I send 
> > Parameter Number (8 8 - -) I have no problem selecting the 
song.  
> > However, the two Tempo Parameter Change messages do not appear 
to 
> > work.
> > 
> > Parameter Number (8 9 - - ), which should set Tempo MSB, appears 
to 

> > do nothing while Parameter Number (8 10 - -), LSB, always resets 
> the 
> > Tempo to --- no matter what the value of the data byte sent.
> > 
> > Anyone got the experience or contacts to solve this one?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Peter

Vern,

I suspect that to cut costs the firmware in these modules is not 
flash RAM so to change the firmware would require a chip change.  
While this isn't too hard (assuming the PROM is socketed) it does 
raise all sorts of warranty issues if you do it yourself and is not 
for the faint hearted.  It may be that Yamaha will only update an 
existing DTXpress III as a service request, or perhaps not at all if 
it is more complicated than swapping a socketed PROM.

In that worst case scenario the bug may only be fixed for people who 
buy the unit made after the fix is installed in the production 
model.  This may not be until they have used up there existing stock 
of PROMS.

We will wait to see what happens.

Peter

 
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Graner" <vern@t...> wrote:
> Hmmm so the problem is documented to affect all modules (I, II, 
III), but
> a bug fix is *only* forthcoming for the III? Can we verify that? 
If that

> is not the case, what is the upgrade path for us lowly II and below
> owners?
> 
> Vern
>