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2003-04-12 by hairytrigger

I am reading and enjoying the descriptions and photos of some members' 
"Monster Kits.' I have resisted this urge. It is powerful!
One of the main reasons I switched to Electronics was the portability 
and onstage space factors.
When I played acoustic, I had a lot of extra stuff: many toms, many 
cymbals; Cowbells, tambourines,etc. I needed all this stuff. But, I 
never played all that stuff on any one song. 

When I bagan triggering my acoustic kit, I added 3 extra pads for 
accessories. One was a home-made device I put in front of my HiHats to 
trigger a cowbell or tambourine while playing the hats.

Now that I have gone all electronic, I find a basic kit works great 
for my needs. Snare (dual-zone), HiHat, Kick, 3 Toms, 2 Crashes, Ride, 
and two or three extra pads for the percussion accessories. When I 
need something different, I just switch kits.

My only problem is the basic kit takes up all the inputs. I could 
manage one accessory pad if i do without the dual zone snare.

So I had to add another module or trigger interface for a couple lousy 
pads.I tried the Roland SPD-6, but it had a terrible cross-talk 
problem.

I have a Roland TD-5, and a PM-16 that I am alternating. I can't 
decide which I like best. The PM-16 is kind of unweildy, but I can use 
the XPress sounds. The TD-5 has some very cool sounds, plus it is 
almost exactly the same size and shape as the XPress.

I was wondering, is this how the 'Monster Kits' began? You had the 
extra inputs, so you had to fill them up?

Just wondering....Scott

Re: observations

2003-04-12 by brown8700

Scott:

I was in the same boat. I had a BP80 with my original kit. Then, when 
I upgraded to Pintech pads, the dual trigger snare left me one inout 
short. So, I added another DTX module. Other than adding a a Pintech 
Dingbat, I have resisted the urge to fill up those other inputs.
I'm doing my best to make load in and set up as painless as possible.

I do think, though, that if my DTX were a 'stay at home' kit, I would 
probably have pads and triggers everywhere.

Stephen

Re: observations

2003-04-12 by otacon28us

it started for anyways as a small modest kit,and then the insanity 
began (woohoo). ran out inputs and had more triggers left over from 
constantly upgrading,then got another module,and the inputs were 
just begging to be used up,so back to ebay(my second home) i went to 
make the second dtxpress module as happy as the first.. it got kinda 
wild when the rack system took more shapes than i could keep up with 
(as i'm sure walt knows what thats like lol) and everytime i got 
everything where i wanted it, i just had to have that one more 
trigger (hehe) some may have slated it as an addiction,but i 
wouldn't have had it any other way.. was money well spent,and i 
enjoy the hell out of em ' it's all really a combination of things i 
guess,but it was on hell of a fun ride getting it to where it is 
now... just recently started intergrating e-drums into my acoustic 
set-up,and it's the same thing all over again (can't even fit the 
whole into one pic ) it's just a great feeling to sit behind a 
monster kit,and just let it rip .. especially when it's gear that 
you bought seperately and built your own custom set-up as i see alot 
of people are doing alot more these days

rock on' my fellow monster kit e-drumming brothers' (ya' know you 
are) gotta love it man'

sam(otacon28)

 --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> 
wrote:
> I am reading and enjoying the descriptions and photos of some 
members' 
> "Monster Kits.' I have resisted this urge. It is powerful!
> One of the main reasons I switched to Electronics was the 
portability 
> and onstage space factors.
> When I played acoustic, I had a lot of extra stuff: many toms, 
many 
> cymbals; Cowbells, tambourines,etc. I needed all this stuff. But, 
I 
> never played all that stuff on any one song. 
> 
> When I bagan triggering my acoustic kit, I added 3 extra pads for 
> accessories. One was a home-made device I put in front of my 
HiHats to 
> trigger a cowbell or tambourine while playing the hats.
> 
> Now that I have gone all electronic, I find a basic kit works 
great 
> for my needs. Snare (dual-zone), HiHat, Kick, 3 Toms, 2 Crashes, 
Ride, 
> and two or three extra pads for the percussion accessories. When I 
> need something different, I just switch kits.
> 
> My only problem is the basic kit takes up all the inputs. I could 
> manage one accessory pad if i do without the dual zone snare.
> 
> So I had to add another module or trigger interface for a couple 
lousy 
> pads.I tried the Roland SPD-6, but it had a terrible cross-talk 
> problem.
> 
> I have a Roland TD-5, and a PM-16 that I am alternating. I can't 
> decide which I like best. The PM-16 is kind of unweildy, but I can 
use 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> the XPress sounds. The TD-5 has some very cool sounds, plus it is 
> almost exactly the same size and shape as the XPress.
> 
> I was wondering, is this how the 'Monster Kits' began? You had the 
> extra inputs, so you had to fill them up?
> 
> Just wondering....Scott

Re: observations

2003-04-12 by underneathheaven

Whats up Hairy!  I might not have a monster kit yet, but I really 
really want one!  I love seeing photos of other peoples kits, small 
or large, electronic or acoustic!  I love getting ideas about what 
my set will be in the future and envisioning it!  Theres also the 
fun part of budgeting that future too! :)  I knew from the very 
start I wanted a larger kit than your basic five piece.  A couple of 
weeks after I got my DTXpressII I checked ebay for a pm-16 so I 
could start to add to my set.  Now my every paycheck goes into 
buying some extra for my kit!  I'll post a new photo of it tomorrow!

-UN.H


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> I am reading and enjoying the descriptions and photos of some 
members' 
> "Monster Kits.' I have resisted this urge. It is powerful!
> One of the main reasons I switched to Electronics was the 
portability 
> and onstage space factors.
> When I played acoustic, I had a lot of extra stuff: many toms, 
many 
> cymbals; Cowbells, tambourines,etc. I needed all this stuff. But, 
I 
> never played all that stuff on any one song. 
> 
> When I bagan triggering my acoustic kit, I added 3 extra pads for 
> accessories. One was a home-made device I put in front of my 
HiHats to 
> trigger a cowbell or tambourine while playing the hats.
> 
> Now that I have gone all electronic, I find a basic kit works 
great 
> for my needs. Snare (dual-zone), HiHat, Kick, 3 Toms, 2 Crashes, 
Ride, 
> and two or three extra pads for the percussion accessories. When I 
> need something different, I just switch kits.
> 
> My only problem is the basic kit takes up all the inputs. I could 
> manage one accessory pad if i do without the dual zone snare.
> 
> So I had to add another module or trigger interface for a couple 
lousy 
> pads.I tried the Roland SPD-6, but it had a terrible cross-talk 
> problem.
> 
> I have a Roland TD-5, and a PM-16 that I am alternating. I can't 
> decide which I like best. The PM-16 is kind of unweildy, but I can 
use 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> the XPress sounds. The TD-5 has some very cool sounds, plus it is 
> almost exactly the same size and shape as the XPress.
> 
> I was wondering, is this how the 'Monster Kits' began? You had the 
> extra inputs, so you had to fill them up?
> 
> Just wondering....Scott

Re: [DTXpress] Re: observations

2003-04-12 by Ratzo

On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 07:16:44 -0000, you wrote:

>Whats up Hairy!  I might not have a monster kit yet, but I really 
>really want one!  I love seeing photos of other peoples kits, small 
>or large, electronic or acoustic!  I love getting ideas about what 
>my set will be in the future and envisioning it!  Theres also the 
>fun part of budgeting that future too! :)  I knew from the very 
>start I wanted a larger kit than your basic five piece.  A couple of 
>weeks after I got my DTXpressII I checked ebay for a pm-16 so I 
>could start to add to my set.  Now my every paycheck goes into 
>buying some extra for my kit!  I'll post a new photo of it tomorrow!

I'm not into the large kit thing.  I have mine set up as a four piece
and really like that configuration.  I wouldn't mind having another
module to get a couple extra cymbals and noise makers out of, but I'd
still use only two toms.



____________________________

Jim

Re: observations

2003-04-12 by liberatusvirus

Scott,

I was thinking about this, too. I was lucky, or unlucky, enough to 
have been born in the mid-20th century. When I was growing up, 
drummers used very simple kits, and they tended to be very practical 
about what they wanted. The hardware was simple and flimsy, and the 
range of effects for drummers was narrow (cowbell and woodblock). 
But also communications were on a relatively small scale; people 
didn't think, or didn't have to think, so much about how things 
appeared. I'll cut to the chase. When the sixties arrived with 
widespread telecommunications (television), rejuvenated pop music, 
and a booming economy, the stage was set for a cultural revolution. 
Drumming became not just an art but also a performance art, and 
drums themselves became a signature, an art form in themselves. Just 
like pop stars had to seem larger than life to get grabbed by the 
public eye, drums became a highly visible/sudible showcase for bands 
or individuals, and they became fodder for competitive advertising. 
Gear in itself became important, because it could reach people on 
all sorts of new levels--aesthetics, economics, manufacturing 
techniques, etc. Bigger became better in this culture. Obviously, 
the effects were not all beneficial, but bigger often translates 
into more interests and new technical skills. Though I wouldn't say 
that large kits have made drummers better in every respect, they 
have certainly made them better in some. And they have turned drums 
themselves into a commercial and highly coveted commodity that has a 
life of its own.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> I am reading and enjoying the descriptions and photos of some 
members' 
> "Monster Kits.' I have resisted this urge. It is powerful!
> One of the main reasons I switched to Electronics was the 
portability 
> and onstage space factors.
> When I played acoustic, I had a lot of extra stuff: many toms, 
many 
> cymbals; Cowbells, tambourines,etc. I needed all this stuff. But, 
I 
> never played all that stuff on any one song. 
> 
> When I bagan triggering my acoustic kit, I added 3 extra pads for 
> accessories. One was a home-made device I put in front of my 
HiHats to 
> trigger a cowbell or tambourine while playing the hats.
> 
> Now that I have gone all electronic, I find a basic kit works 
great 
> for my needs. Snare (dual-zone), HiHat, Kick, 3 Toms, 2 Crashes, 
Ride, 
> and two or three extra pads for the percussion accessories. When I 
> need something different, I just switch kits.
> 
> My only problem is the basic kit takes up all the inputs. I could 
> manage one accessory pad if i do without the dual zone snare.
> 
> So I had to add another module or trigger interface for a couple 
lousy 
> pads.I tried the Roland SPD-6, but it had a terrible cross-talk 
> problem.
> 
> I have a Roland TD-5, and a PM-16 that I am alternating. I can't 
> decide which I like best. The PM-16 is kind of unweildy, but I can 
use 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> the XPress sounds. The TD-5 has some very cool sounds, plus it is 
> almost exactly the same size and shape as the XPress.
> 
> I was wondering, is this how the 'Monster Kits' began? You had the 
> extra inputs, so you had to fill them up?
> 
> Just wondering....Scott

re: observations

2003-04-12 by hairytrigger

Hey, Ed.
When I first brought my E-Kit to the stage, the only complaint I got 
from my bandmates was appearance; they didn't look like drums! No 
complaints about the sound. (I had been triggering my acoustics for 
several years.) I found a large plastic planter tray, mounted this in 
front of my kick pad(a la bass drum) and put the band logo on it. 
Filling this void made a huge improvement to the look.And it made me 
feel less exposed.
Once, a guy got up to sing a few songs with us. Afterwards, we were 
talking, and someone mentioned my kit. This singer looked back up at 
the stage and said he didn't even realize they were electronic. "And 
I'm an Acoustic Drum Purist," he said!
Scott

Re: observations

2003-04-12 by liberatusvirus

Scott,

Nonmusicians who see my kit tend to be dazzled by it. It looks to 
them like modern art. Diehard acoustic drummers, who often know very 
little about electronics, are a little more circumspect, if not 
downright shy. It seems a little threatening. One who recently 
visited didn't quite know what to make of it, but he was drawn to 
the Visu-lite hi hat, which, to him, seemed oddly out of place but 
at least comprehensible on his terms. To me, it's the perfect 
complement. 

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> Hey, Ed.
> When I first brought my E-Kit to the stage, the only complaint I 
got 
> from my bandmates was appearance; they didn't look like drums! No 
> complaints about the sound. (I had been triggering my acoustics 
for 
> several years.) I found a large plastic planter tray, mounted this 
in 
> front of my kick pad(a la bass drum) and put the band logo on it. 
> Filling this void made a huge improvement to the look.And it made 
me 
> feel less exposed.
> Once, a guy got up to sing a few songs with us. Afterwards, we 
were 
> talking, and someone mentioned my kit. This singer looked back up 
at 
> the stage and said he didn't even realize they were 
electronic. "And 
> I'm an Acoustic Drum Purist," he said!
> Scott

Re: observations

2003-04-12 by underneathheaven

When I first got my set my friends, who are in a little band, told 
me that me if I'd played with them then they would sound like Devo 
or, more modern sounding electronic rockers, Orgy.  Obviously they 
were naive.  I turned it on, showed em how many sounds it had, and 
played some stuff.  They now realize that we're in the year 2005 and 
electronic sets are made to sound like anything you want them to.  
With the addition of extra pieces they're even more impressed!  When 
I was at my music shop the other day I was discussing my set with my 
friend/employee there.  He asked how I played the bass drum with 
electronic kits and I said with Iron Cobras!  Which caused him to 
asked, "ohh you can use real pedals on that thing?"  Uh huh...

-UN.H


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Scott,
> 
> Nonmusicians who see my kit tend to be dazzled by it. It looks to 
> them like modern art. Diehard acoustic drummers, who often know 
very 
> little about electronics, are a little more circumspect, if not 
> downright shy. It seems a little threatening. One who recently 
> visited didn't quite know what to make of it, but he was drawn to 
> the Visu-lite hi hat, which, to him, seemed oddly out of place but 
> at least comprehensible on his terms. To me, it's the perfect 
> complement. 
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> 
wrote:
> > Hey, Ed.
> > When I first brought my E-Kit to the stage, the only complaint I 
> got 
> > from my bandmates was appearance; they didn't look like drums! 
No 
> > complaints about the sound. (I had been triggering my acoustics 
> for 
> > several years.) I found a large plastic planter tray, mounted 
this 
> in 
> > front of my kick pad(a la bass drum) and put the band logo on 
it. 
> > Filling this void made a huge improvement to the look.And it 
made 
> me 
> > feel less exposed.
> > Once, a guy got up to sing a few songs with us. Afterwards, we 
> were 
> > talking, and someone mentioned my kit. This singer looked back 
up 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> at 
> > the stage and said he didn't even realize they were 
> electronic. "And 
> > I'm an Acoustic Drum Purist," he said!
> > Scott

Re: observations

2003-04-12 by brown8700

Another reason I must keep my kit to a manageable size is the fact 
that my riser is 4' X 4' and I'm edge-to-edge now as it is.

Re: [DTXpress] re: observations

2003-04-13 by Ratzo

On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:21:38 -0000, you wrote:


>several years.) I found a large plastic planter tray, mounted this in 
>front of my kick pad(a la bass drum) and put the band logo on it. 
>Filling this void made a huge improvement to the look.And it made me 
>feel less exposed.

I've thought more than once of getting an orphan 20" bass drum,
cutting it down to about 8 or 10 inches deep, cutting notches in it
for the cross tube of the rack, and setting it in front of the kick
trigger.  Paint it or cover it, put a black head on the front and from
a distance, it would be hard to tell the difference.




____________________________

Jim

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