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HiHat Volume

HiHat Volume

2003-03-17 by davidb

I Know that the volume of any sound on your DTXpress II in changeable, but i don´t know why all the the Hihat sounds (Close, open, and kicking with the foot), are in a low volume in all the pre-set kits.
I play also acoustic drums and the most sound that i hear always is the HH, snare and Bass.
Although i put all the HH volumes at 127 and the others at 100 (even 90) I can´t hear the same as my acoustic drum (I Know it will be never the same thing, but something seemed?)
Someone knows any solution to this ??
No one of you have this problem ??
Thanks,
Atte:
DAVID BOIX
Pista Cero Barcelona
(
Tel +34-93- 505 94 24
È Movil +34 - 620 24 91 16
Ê Fax +34-93- 505 94 22
- e-mail mailto: davidb@...
: web http://www.pistacero.es

Re: HiHat Volume

2003-03-17 by liberatusvirus

Hi David,

It's unlikely that the electronic hh will ever have make exactly the 
same impression on you as your acoustic hh, but we can check a few 
things. In the trigger menu, is pad type for the hh correct? You can 
also try one of the misc settings. Is your gain setting too low? If 
so, your hits may not be registering as loudly as they could. A 
brighter frequency cutoff in the Voice menu might help a little, 
too, if the trigger sounds dull. You could also go into the utility 
menu and set the UT System VolMode for live (rather than practice), 
allowing you to adjust relative volume levels of the pads using the 
the ACCOMP and CLICK knobs on the front of the module. Check the 
manual. I'm assuming from your post that you aren't having a problem 
with dropouts, which has been identified in this forum as the 
consequence of poor default rejection settings involving the snare 
and hh inputs.

Finally, how are you listening? Frequency response can be affected 
by different source components. Some headphones and amps don't 
reproduce the higher frequencies very well, making it seem as though 
their levels are reduced relative to the mids or the lows. 

That said, the hh trigger (but not controller) situation with the 
DTXpress, or any other Yamaha DTX product in my opinion, is far from 
optimal. You may well find, after exhausting all your options with 
the pad and module as delivered, that another company's trigger 
might be attractive--even if you manage to get the level where you 
like it better.

Ed
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "davidb" <davidb@p...> wrote:
>  
> I Know that the volume of any sound on your DTXpress II in 
changeable, but i don´t know why all the the Hihat sounds (Close, 
open, and kicking with the foot), are in a low volume in all the pre-
set kits.
>  
> I play also acoustic drums and the most sound that i hear always 
is the HH, snare and Bass.
>  
> Although i put all the HH volumes at 127 and the others at 100 
(even 90) I can´t hear the same as my acoustic drum (I Know it will 
be never the same thing, but something seemed?)
>  
>  
> Someone knows any solution to this ??
> No one of you have this problem ??
>  
> Thanks,
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Atte:
> DAVID BOIX
> Pista Cero Barcelona
> * Tel      +34-93- 505 94 24
> È Movil   +34 - 620 24 91 16
> * Fax    +34-93- 505 94 22
> - e-mail   mailto: davidb@p... <mailto:davidb@p...> 
> *  web       http://www.pistacero.es <http://www.pistacero.es/>


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "davidb" <davidb@p...> wrote:
>  
> I Know that the volume of any sound on your DTXpress II in 
changeable, but i don´t know why all the the Hihat sounds (Close, 
open, and kicking with the foot), are in a low volume in all the pre-
set kits.
>  
> I play also acoustic drums and the most sound that i hear always 
is the HH, snare and Bass.
>  
> Although i put all the HH volumes at 127 and the others at 100 
(even 90) I can´t hear the same as my acoustic drum (I Know it will 
be never the same thing, but something seemed?)
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>  
>  
> Someone knows any solution to this ??
> No one of you have this problem ??
>  
> Thanks,
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Atte:
> DAVID BOIX
> Pista Cero Barcelona
> * Tel      +34-93- 505 94 24
> È Movil   +34 - 620 24 91 16
> * Fax    +34-93- 505 94 22
> - e-mail   mailto: davidb@p... <mailto:davidb@p...> 
> *  web       http://www.pistacero.es <http://www.pistacero.es/>

Re: [DTXpress] Re: HiHat Volume

2003-03-18 by psmperry@aol.com

I have been having the same problem with my hi hat and snare. The snare drops out sometimes when I am also playing the hi-hat. Additionally, the snare volume will be erratic, or is that erotic, I'm not sure...but anyway... could you explain what effect adjusting the gain and rejection has on performance. That is, what does lowering or raising these parameters do exactly. I have also noticed the problem is more pronounced when I am playing with my band. Could other electronic sources cause a problem?

perry

Re: HiHat Volume

2003-03-18 by liberatusvirus

Perry,

If the problem is erotic, the module should take a cold shower, and 
the hh and snare should be separated from each other. Apparently the 
DTXPII, unlike earlier versions, shipped with default settings that 
caused the hh and snare to interfere with each other. Strictly 
speaking, if the snare is programmed in the trigger menu to 
specifically reject the hh at too high a setting, the snare will 
sometimes fail to sound, because rejection essentially mutes a pad 
for a micro-second so that it will not react to another pad's hits. 
A spec. rej. setting of, say, 9 to protect snare from hh means that 
only hits on the snare that register above 9 will voice when the hh 
is hit. Since 9 doesn't leave much room for the snare to trigger 
even with its own hits when the spec. rej. of the hh takes hold, it 
simply shuts down. For more detailed advice, search the posts over 
the last few months for "snare and hi hat" or something similar. I 
think Yamaha was notified of the problem, and users have been able 
to overcome it within the module.

A high gain setting in general will make a trigger more susceptible 
to interference, or crosstalk, from other hits on other triggers, 
simply because increased gain means increased sensitivity to force--
that is, vibration from elsewhere on the rack can activate it. A low 
min. vel. has the same effect; lowering a trigger's min. vel.--the 
least force at which it will sound its voice--makes it more likely 
to succumb to crosstalk. That doesn't mean that you can't make 
relatively sensitive adjustments to these parameters--only that 
you'll have to balance them with rejection settings that allow them 
to work without crosstalk, or not too much of it (even acoustic 
drums and cymbals react to each other a little). Remember, though, 
that to reject interference from a pad means to silence that pad 
during other events for a moment; it does not do anything to the 
offending trigger. You can see why care with rejection is so 
important; keep settings only as high as necessary to do the job. 
Silencing the pads is hardly what we want to do. It's all a delicate 
balance.

It is possible that with certain trigger parameters, and 
circumstantial factors like how stable the drum riser or platform 
is, live band activity could make your triggers fire a little. You 
might have to tell the bass player, for example, to stop bouncing up 
and down near your kit. But unless you're shaking like a 25 cent 
step ladder, it's more likely that the problem mostly involves the 
interaction between the pads. When you're playing in a band 
situation, you're probably playing harder, thereby putting a strain 
on all your settings.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, psmperry@a... wrote:
> I have been having the same problem with my hi hat and snare. The 
snare drops 
> out sometimes when I am also playing the hi-hat. Additionally, the 
snare 
> volume will be erratic, or is that erotic, I'm not sure...but 
anyway... could 
> you explain what effect adjusting the gain and rejection has on 
performance. 
> That is, what does lowering or raising these parameters do 
exactly. I have 
> also noticed the problem is more pronounced when I am playing with 
my band. 
> Could other electronic sources cause a problem? 
> 
> perry

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, psmperry@a... wrote:
> I have been having the same problem with my hi hat and snare. The 
snare drops 
> out sometimes when I am also playing the hi-hat. Additionally, the 
snare 
> volume will be erratic, or is that erotic, I'm not sure...but 
anyway... could 
> you explain what effect adjusting the gain and rejection has on 
performance. 
> That is, what does lowering or raising these parameters do 
exactly. I have 
> also noticed the problem is more pronounced when I am playing with 
my band. 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Could other electronic sources cause a problem? 
> 
> perry

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