Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Thanks Scott.  Are the pads loud?  I often play through headphones to keep
my wife happy.   How do they compare to the dtxpess pads as far as how loud
they are?

Jay

> Jay, I used a Concertcast ST for two years and got along with it
> wonderfully. The mesh head was alittle spongy at first, but with
> proper(not excessive) tensioning, it performs very well! I just
> graduated to the Pintech AX14S, a 14" piccolo-type drum, with mesh
> head.It is awesome. I like the rubber pads for HiHat(and everything
> else.)
> Scott
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Welch" <jay@s...> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I am sure this has been discussed many times before so forgive me.
>  I am thinking about an alternative to the dtxpress snare.    I feel
> like I am destroying my wrist on the dtxpess snare.   I was wondering
> if the pintech pads are more forgiving when you strike them.  Also is
> there a alternative to the high hat pad?   Since these are the two
> pads strike most I figure replacing these two would be sufficient.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jay
>
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Welch" <jay@s...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I am sure this has been discussed many times before so forgive 
me.   I am thinking about an alternative to the dtxpress snare.    I 
feel like I am destroying my wrist on the dtxpess snare.   I was 
wondering if the pintech pads are more forgiving when you strike 
them.  Also is there a alternative to the high hat pad?   Since these 
are the two pads strike most I figure replacing these two would be 
sufficient.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jay
Jay,

I have a concertcast, I find it a bit spongy, so it feels a bit 
unresponsive to play, I also have some of the roland pads which use a 
2 layer mesh head, they give a lovely crisp response. I have a roland 
head on a cheesy 8" tom with an acoustic trigger and it plays well 
and feels the same as a pukka roland pad but cheaper. You could 
always try a roland head on the pintech pad. The only other thing is 
volume, if you hit a real snare hard the sound pressure level is 
huge, you can feel it on your chest, you will never achive that with 
headphons (and you shouldnt try) so if you can monitor through a 
decent set of spekers with the volume tuned up, I find I don't hit so 
hard.

Cheers
Adz

Jay, I used a Concertcast ST for two years and got along with it 
wonderfully. The mesh head was alittle spongy at first, but with 
proper(not excessive) tensioning, it performs very well! I just 
graduated to the Pintech AX14S, a 14" piccolo-type drum, with mesh 
head.It is awesome. I like the rubber pads for HiHat(and everything 
else.)
Scott

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Welch" <jay@s...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I am sure this has been discussed many times before so forgive me.  
 I am thinking about an alternative to the dtxpress snare.    I feel 
like I am destroying my wrist on the dtxpess snare.   I was wondering 
if the pintech pads are more forgiving when you strike them.  Also is 
there a alternative to the high hat pad?   Since these are the two 
pads strike most I figure replacing these two would be sufficient.

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jay

Ed,

Thanks for all the info!   Looking on the internet  I see the concertcast
series and the concertcast "silentech".    I assume when you say ST you are
referring to the Silentech?   Being at least as quiet as the rubber pads is
something I am looking for.    Not sure if the regular concertcast meets
those requirements.  Sounds like the silentech series does.

I will check out the website on the high hat product.   I may be unique in
the fact I have never played acoustic drums so getting the feel of acoustic
drums is not as important as finding a pad that is more forgiving on my
wrists and quiet.


Thanks,
Jay




----- Original Message -----

> Hi Jay,
>
> Do you mind if I put in my 2 cents? I completely agree with Scott
> about the Pintech Concertcast ST 10" dual-zone snare. First of all,
> it's 2" bigger than the Yamaha standard-issue gum rubber, and it's
> quieter; quietness, give, and acoustic-drum simulation are the three
> main advantages of mesh heads. You may have to place a rubber
> coating around the chrome rim to deaden rim shots and cross sticks,
> but your wrists and roommates will certainly thank you. If you want
> to graduate to the AX14S snare, I heartily share that endorsement,
> too. Scott and I recently exchanged posts on our experiences with it.
>
> On the hi hat thing: I think that the state of electronic hi hats
> borders on the deplorable, especially Yamaha's gum rubber pads at
> every level, past and present. Since Yamaha has officially
> discontinued the DTXtreme, maybe a genuine improvement is in the
> works. In the meantime, some people adapt e-cymbals from one
> manufacturer or another; I'm currently using a Drum Tech Pole Pad
> (Yamaha and Pintech make their own versions). Hart uses dedicated
> metal cymbals on a dedicated stand, but I've heard that the response
> through Yamaha modules is not what you'd expect (I can confirm it
> for the otherwise wonderful Hart ride), although the Roland crowd
> appears to have more success with it.
>
> As I've reported before, however, another option for Yamaha users is
> on the way. Tom Pickard at EPS has agreed to produce a Yamaha-
> friendly version of his hi hat assembly. As the only electronic hi
> hat cymbals that open and close on a traditional hi hat stand, they
> represent a real breakthrough. Roland and Alesis users have had
> their benefit for a long time. Tom and I have been communicating
> about the issue for a couple of months, and I'll report on its
> availability as soon as possible. In the meantime, interested
> parties can go to the Visu-lite website (http://www.visu-lite.com/)
> to take a look at Tom's cymbals, get a demo of the hi hat in action,
> and email words of encouragement if they are so inclined.
>
> Ed
>

Hi Jay,

Do you mind if I put in my 2 cents? I completely agree with Scott 
about the Pintech Concertcast ST 10" dual-zone snare. First of all, 
it's 2" bigger than the Yamaha standard-issue gum rubber, and it's 
quieter; quietness, give, and acoustic-drum simulation are the three 
main advantages of mesh heads. You may have to place a rubber 
coating around the chrome rim to deaden rim shots and cross sticks, 
but your wrists and roommates will certainly thank you. If you want 
to graduate to the AX14S snare, I heartily share that endorsement, 
too. Scott and I recently exchanged posts on our experiences with it.

On the hi hat thing: I think that the state of electronic hi hats 
borders on the deplorable, especially Yamaha's gum rubber pads at 
every level, past and present. Since Yamaha has officially 
discontinued the DTXtreme, maybe a genuine improvement is in the 
works. In the meantime, some people adapt e-cymbals from one 
manufacturer or another; I'm currently using a Drum Tech Pole Pad 
(Yamaha and Pintech make their own versions). Hart uses dedicated 
metal cymbals on a dedicated stand, but I've heard that the response 
through Yamaha modules is not what you'd expect (I can confirm it 
for the otherwise wonderful Hart ride), although the Roland crowd 
appears to have more success with it. 

As I've reported before, however, another option for Yamaha users is 
on the way. Tom Pickard at EPS has agreed to produce a Yamaha-
friendly version of his hi hat assembly. As the only electronic hi 
hat cymbals that open and close on a traditional hi hat stand, they 
represent a real breakthrough. Roland and Alesis users have had 
their benefit for a long time. Tom and I have been communicating 
about the issue for a couple of months, and I'll report on its 
availability as soon as possible. In the meantime, interested 
parties can go to the Visu-lite website (http://www.visu-lite.com/) 
to take a look at Tom's cymbals, get a demo of the hi hat in action, 
and email words of encouragement if they are so inclined.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Welch" <jay@s...> wrote:
> Thanks Scott.  Are the pads loud?  I often play through headphones 
to keep
> my wife happy.   How do they compare to the dtxpess pads as far as 
how loud
> they are?
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Jay, I used a Concertcast ST for two years and got along with it
> > wonderfully. The mesh head was alittle spongy at first, but with
> > proper(not excessive) tensioning, it performs very well! I just
> > graduated to the Pintech AX14S, a 14" piccolo-type drum, with 
mesh
> > head.It is awesome. I like the rubber pads for HiHat(and 
everything
> > else.)
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Welch" <jay@s...> wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I am sure this has been discussed many times before so forgive 
me.
> >  I am thinking about an alternative to the dtxpress snare.    I 
feel
> > like I am destroying my wrist on the dtxpess snare.   I was 
wondering
> > if the pintech pads are more forgiving when you strike them.  
Also is
> > there a alternative to the high hat pad?   Since these are the 
two
> > pads strike most I figure replacing these two would be 
sufficient.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jay
> >
> >
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Ed,

Thanks,

I may give the concertcast ST a try.

Jay

> Jay,
>
> Right. The ST (silentech) version is the one you want. The earlier
> plain concertcasts are noisier. By the way, you can put any mesh
> head that fits the drum and suits you on the Pintech--one of their
> own, a Hart, a Roland, single-ply, double-ply. They do have slightly
> different feels. The Visu-lite hi hat cymbals aren't rubber but
> acrylic, and they are attractive. The review on the site gives a
> sense of how they play--more like real cymbals, which don't normally
> hurt your wrist unless you're a beginner or too stiff. But if you're
> a beginner, or beginning again, everything hurts for a while.
>
> Ed
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Welch" <jay@s...> wrote:
> > Ed,
> >
> > Thanks for all the info!   Looking on the internet  I see the
> concertcast
> > series and the concertcast "silentech".    I assume when you say
> ST you are
> > referring to the Silentech?   Being at least as quiet as the
> rubber pads is
> > something I am looking for.    Not sure if the regular concertcast
> meets
> > those requirements.  Sounds like the silentech series does.
> >
> > I will check out the website on the high hat product.   I may be
> unique in
> > the fact I have never played acoustic drums so getting the feel of
> acoustic
> > drums is not as important as finding a pad that is more forgiving
> on my
> > wrists and quiet.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > > Hi Jay,
> > >
> > > Do you mind if I put in my 2 cents? I completely agree with Scott
> > > about the Pintech Concertcast ST 10" dual-zone snare. First of
> all,
> > > it's 2" bigger than the Yamaha standard-issue gum rubber, and
> it's
> > > quieter; quietness, give, and acoustic-drum simulation are the
> three
> > > main advantages of mesh heads. You may have to place a rubber
> > > coating around the chrome rim to deaden rim shots and cross
> sticks,
> > > but your wrists and roommates will certainly thank you. If you
> want
> > > to graduate to the AX14S snare, I heartily share that
> endorsement,
> > > too. Scott and I recently exchanged posts on our experiences
> with it.
> > >
> > > On the hi hat thing: I think that the state of electronic hi hats
> > > borders on the deplorable, especially Yamaha's gum rubber pads at
> > > every level, past and present. Since Yamaha has officially
> > > discontinued the DTXtreme, maybe a genuine improvement is in the
> > > works. In the meantime, some people adapt e-cymbals from one
> > > manufacturer or another; I'm currently using a Drum Tech Pole Pad
> > > (Yamaha and Pintech make their own versions). Hart uses dedicated
> > > metal cymbals on a dedicated stand, but I've heard that the
> response
> > > through Yamaha modules is not what you'd expect (I can confirm it
> > > for the otherwise wonderful Hart ride), although the Roland crowd
> > > appears to have more success with it.
> > >
> > > As I've reported before, however, another option for Yamaha
> users is
> > > on the way. Tom Pickard at EPS has agreed to produce a Yamaha-
> > > friendly version of his hi hat assembly. As the only electronic
> hi
> > > hat cymbals that open and close on a traditional hi hat stand,
> they
> > > represent a real breakthrough. Roland and Alesis users have had
> > > their benefit for a long time. Tom and I have been communicating
> > > about the issue for a couple of months, and I'll report on its
> > > availability as soon as possible. In the meantime, interested
> > > parties can go to the Visu-lite website (http://www.visu-
> lite.com/)
> > > to take a look at Tom's cymbals, get a demo of the hi hat in
> action,
> > > and email words of encouragement if they are so inclined.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
>
>
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>

Jay,

Right. The ST (silentech) version is the one you want. The earlier 
plain concertcasts are noisier. By the way, you can put any mesh 
head that fits the drum and suits you on the Pintech--one of their 
own, a Hart, a Roland, single-ply, double-ply. They do have slightly 
different feels. The Visu-lite hi hat cymbals aren't rubber but 
acrylic, and they are attractive. The review on the site gives a 
sense of how they play--more like real cymbals, which don't normally 
hurt your wrist unless you're a beginner or too stiff. But if you're 
a beginner, or beginning again, everything hurts for a while.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Welch" <jay@s...> wrote:
> Ed,
> 
> Thanks for all the info!   Looking on the internet  I see the 
concertcast
> series and the concertcast "silentech".    I assume when you say 
ST you are
> referring to the Silentech?   Being at least as quiet as the 
rubber pads is
> something I am looking for.    Not sure if the regular concertcast 
meets
> those requirements.  Sounds like the silentech series does.
> 
> I will check out the website on the high hat product.   I may be 
unique in
> the fact I have never played acoustic drums so getting the feel of 
acoustic
> drums is not as important as finding a pad that is more forgiving 
on my
> wrists and quiet.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Jay
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> > Hi Jay,
> >
> > Do you mind if I put in my 2 cents? I completely agree with Scott
> > about the Pintech Concertcast ST 10" dual-zone snare. First of 
all,
> > it's 2" bigger than the Yamaha standard-issue gum rubber, and 
it's
> > quieter; quietness, give, and acoustic-drum simulation are the 
three
> > main advantages of mesh heads. You may have to place a rubber
> > coating around the chrome rim to deaden rim shots and cross 
sticks,
> > but your wrists and roommates will certainly thank you. If you 
want
> > to graduate to the AX14S snare, I heartily share that 
endorsement,
> > too. Scott and I recently exchanged posts on our experiences 
with it.
> >
> > On the hi hat thing: I think that the state of electronic hi hats
> > borders on the deplorable, especially Yamaha's gum rubber pads at
> > every level, past and present. Since Yamaha has officially
> > discontinued the DTXtreme, maybe a genuine improvement is in the
> > works. In the meantime, some people adapt e-cymbals from one
> > manufacturer or another; I'm currently using a Drum Tech Pole Pad
> > (Yamaha and Pintech make their own versions). Hart uses dedicated
> > metal cymbals on a dedicated stand, but I've heard that the 
response
> > through Yamaha modules is not what you'd expect (I can confirm it
> > for the otherwise wonderful Hart ride), although the Roland crowd
> > appears to have more success with it.
> >
> > As I've reported before, however, another option for Yamaha 
users is
> > on the way. Tom Pickard at EPS has agreed to produce a Yamaha-
> > friendly version of his hi hat assembly. As the only electronic 
hi
> > hat cymbals that open and close on a traditional hi hat stand, 
they
> > represent a real breakthrough. Roland and Alesis users have had
> > their benefit for a long time. Tom and I have been communicating
> > about the issue for a couple of months, and I'll report on its
> > availability as soon as possible. In the meantime, interested
> > parties can go to the Visu-lite website (http://www.visu-
lite.com/)
> > to take a look at Tom's cymbals, get a demo of the hi hat in 
action,

> > and email words of encouragement if they are so inclined.
> >
> > Ed
> >