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RE: Spam:[DTXpress] Re: Which E-Drums Produce Least Bad Vibes?

RE: Spam:[DTXpress] Re: Which E-Drums Produce Least Bad Vibes?

2005-04-11 by Damon, Rob

As long as the young pups around here don't run us out to the
"DTXpress-Old Folks Home-Yahoogroups", there is nothing wrong with
feeling old but going through a second (or third) childhood.....  ; )
 
OGD (Fast approaching the big 50)
 
 

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "drumsonly2002" <dan@n...> wrote:
> 
> I am the young pup in the group! 49 almost 50 years old!!! My joints
> feel like someone kicked me after playing an intense gig. That's why 
I
> had to relearn my technique 5 years ago, wrist pain. Invested in the
> Jim Chapin video, a few lessons from a good drum instructor, and
> personal instruction from Jim Chapin himself to "fine tune my 
Moller".
> My body is not what it use to be, and after a gig I feel like I had a
> mule run over me, but my speed power and endurance is a lot better 
due
> to not straining my self incorrectly and waisting energy slamming the
> drums improperly.  I was 45 when I re trained for better snare drum
> techniques. right now working on some fast double kick work. Never
> thought i would still be playing at 50 but feel like I am just 
getting
> started. working on some nice solo's too. Drums forever!!!!

Sounds like you're going through your second childhood, and I mean 
that in a good way. I must say, however, that I'm more than happy to 
relinquish seniority.

Ed





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What to learn for an "old guy"?

2005-04-15 by T Carlson

I am fast approaching 47, have just purchased the DTXPRESSIIISP, and am learning drums for the first time. I have played trumpet all of my life and probably will be giving it up very soon due to embouchure / dental problems. So, I figured that now is the time to take up drums since my arms and legs have not fallen off yet.

The only issue is that I am a bit behind (late) on the learning curve (I would imagine).

So the question I have for you \u201cOld Folks\u201d is... If my goal is to learn drum kit for playing rock/jazz tunes with a praise band in my church ... Should I be taking private lessons concentrating on drumming technique / sticking / rudiments first? Or should I be concentrating on learning the common drum grooves and limb coordination first or a little bit of both at the same time?

In other words ... What would be the most efficient path to playing a kit well enough for performance (assuming I am typical 47 year old adult learner) .... before I become REALLY old?

Todd

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As long as the young pups around here don't run us out to the "DTXpress-Old Folks Home-Yahoogroups", there is nothing wrong with feeling old but going through a second (or third) childhood..... ; )
OGD (Fast approaching the big 50)


From: emf []
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:35 AM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam:[DTXpress] Re: Which E-Drums Produce Least Bad Vibes?


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "drumsonly2002" wrote:
>
> I am the young pup in the group! 49 almost 50 years old!!! My joints
> feel like someone kicked me after playing an intense gig. That's why
I
> had to relearn my technique 5 years ago, wrist pain. Invested in the
> Jim Chapin video, a few lessons from a good drum instructor, and
> personal instruction from Jim Chapin himself to "fine tune my
Moller".
> My body is not what it use to be, and after a gig I feel like I had a
> mule run over me, but my speed power and endurance is a lot better
due
> to not straining my self incorrectly and waisting energy slamming the
> drums improperly. I was 45 when I re trained for better snare drum
> techniques. right now working on some fast double kick work. Never
> thought i would still be playing at 50 but feel like I am just
getting
> started. working on some nice solo's too. Drums forever!!!!

Sounds like you're going through your second childhood, and I mean
that in a good way. I must say, however, that I'm more than happy to
relinquish seniority.

Ed





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Re: What to learn for an "old guy"?

2005-04-15 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, T Carlson <thcmusic@c...> wrote:
> I am fast approaching 47, have just purchased the DTXPRESSIIISP, 
and am
> learning drums for the first time.  I have played trumpet all of my 
life and
> probably will be giving it up very soon due to embouchure / dental 
problems.
> So, I figured that now is the time to take up drums since my arms 
and legs
> have not fallen off yet.
> 
> The only issue is that I am  a bit behind (late) on the learning 
curve (I
> would imagine).
> 
> So the question I have for you ³Old Folks² is...  If my goal is to 
learn
> drum kit for playing rock/jazz tunes with a praise band in my 
church ...
> Should I be taking private lessons concentrating on drumming 
technique /
> sticking / rudiments first?  Or should I be concentrating on 
learning the
> common drum grooves and limb coordination first or a little bit of 
both at
> the same time?
> 
> In other words ... What would be the most efficient path to playing 
a kit
> well enough for performance (assuming I am typical 47 year old adult
> learner) .... before I become REALLY old?
 
Hi Todd,

What follows is definitely one man's opinion, and I would be happy to 
see other comments as well. As far as I'm concerned, combining 
private lessons for mechanics/stick control and practicing grooves 
privately in a kit context is perfectly reasonable, if not advisable. 
If, as Kiki Dee and Elton John so eloquently put it, you've got the 
music in you, and can carry a beat, you probably can hear a drum part 
better than you can play it at this point. But with a little 
perseverence, the gap will certainly close. Most basic pop and rock 
drumming, stripped of embellishments and individual signatures, is 
relatively easy to play--which is not to say that it offers no 
challenges or satisfaction. But getting a foot in the door if you 
have a sense of rhythm need not take forever. Personally, I never had 
a drum lesson in my life, but because my father was a big-band, 
dixieland-style drummer--and a good one--I picked up a lot just by 
hanging around him. Rudiments became integrated with my routine 
playing. I was a trombone player before I started drumming, with lots 
of lessons in music theory and practice. Drumming released me to play 
more music that I actually liked; I took to it in a way that I just 
couldn't take to any other instrument. 

A lot of technically advanced drummers tend to be skeptical of self-
taught drummers because they often lack versatility. Acquiring 
technical skills can help you not only to play the music that appeals 
to you but also to open up other avenues that you might otherwise 
never consider--let alone keep you from physically hurting yourself. 
All the while you can practice the common beats--4/4, 3/4, 6/8, etc.--
until you can speak them like a second language, with your own style 
and accent. The pleasure of having a time signature fall into place, 
allowing you the further joy of surprising yourself with a perfectly 
executed, tasteful lick of your own, or even someone else's, is 
priceless. 

If you like the instrument (what's not to like), and don't mind a 
little hard work, you'll be a drummer before you know it. Half the 
fun is getting there. I'll let you in on a little secret: No sooner 
do you get the satisfaction of arriving than you're on the way to 
getting somewhere else.

Ed

Re: [DTXpress] Re: What to learn for an "old guy"?

2005-04-15 by NightWolf

Well Said...um Ed. 

Hey Todd, good questions. I too am a new Drummer
trying to get to a non-embarrassing level. I'm just
wood-shedding, playing to stuff I am really familiar
with. I find that I know where I need to be, I just
can't get there fast enough. Strength and Stamina,
Speed and Accuracy are the things I am concentrating
on. Hanging on to my sticks would help too, I'm a
danger to myself and everyone around (no one, Blessed
Be). It's a good kind of sore. Back to the set.

Peace,
John Nightwolf

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RE: [DTXpress] What to learn for an "old guy"?

2005-04-15 by Steve Walsh

Todd,

 

   Sounds like we're in similar situations facing some of the same
questions. Like you I'm an older (almost 48) beginning drummer who purchased
a DTXPRESSIIISP a few months ago. Having had some musical background
(keyboards) I surveyed the wealth of drum instructional material available
on the web, picked up a few good books and DVDs, and then asked myself the
same question about taking private lessons. My next step was to take a small
package of 4 lessons with a private instructor to assist me in determine
whether or not private instruction would have value to me. Fortunately, I
hit upon a local teacher that uses an approach that combines half of each
lesson with the formal stuff (syncopation, reading, rudiments, etc) with
other half learning grooves and generally having fun with the kit. The
teacher also lays out my drum practices in a similar fashion combining
discipline and enjoyment. Well after a couple of those lessons went by I
knew that at this stage of my drumming going with private instruction was
the right route for me and I signed up for a full cycle of lessons. Having a
private teacher forces me to practice regularly because I know that another
drummer, the teacher, will be critiquing my playing at least once a week.
More importantly to me though, the teacher is a great resource when it comes
to seeing and hearing how to play well, discussing stuff like technique I've
seen on a DVD or come across on the web, assistance with transcription,
finding out about the local drum scene, learning about other drum kits, etc.
My opinion then is to find a good teacher who teaches in a style that is
compatible with your personal goals. Hope that helps.

 

.Steve

 

 

*	I am fast approaching 47, have just purchased the DTXPRESSIIISP, and
am learning drums for the first time.  I have played trumpet all of my life
and probably will be giving it up very soon due to embouchure / dental
problems.  So, I figured that now is the time to take up drums since my arms
and legs have not fallen off yet.

The only issue is that I am  a bit behind (late) on the learning curve (I
would imagine).

So the question I have for you "Old Folks" is...  If my goal is to learn
drum kit for playing rock/jazz tunes with a praise band in my church ...
Should I be taking private lessons concentrating on drumming technique /
sticking / rudiments first?  Or should I be concentrating on learning the
common drum grooves and limb coordination first or a little bit of both at
the same time?

In other words ... What would be the most efficient path to playing a kit
well enough for performance (assuming I am typical 47 year old adult
learner) .... before I become REALLY old?

Todd

Re: What to learn for an "old guy"?

2005-04-15 by Keith

What is it about all these ~47 year olds?

Keith (aged 47 - started drumming last year).

p.s.  I vote for a good tutor if you can find one.  The tutor I have
is so enthusiastic and knowledgable about drumming it is infectious
(and he's 47!)

Re: [DTXpress] Re: What to learn for an "old guy"?

2005-04-18 by T Carlson

Thanks everyone for all the valuable feedback. It sounds like I will be pursuing private lessons with about half on single surface sticking, rudiments and the other half of the lesson on playing kit, limb coordination. I also picked up a DVD called Tommy Igoe Groove Essentials to help me get started. Although I do not have anything to compare it to, he puts out a pretty good instructional DVD on grooves for someone just beginning ...

Todd

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, T Carlson wrote:
> I am fast approaching 47, have just purchased the DTXPRESSIIISP,
and am
> learning drums for the first time. I have played trumpet all of my
life and
> probably will be giving it up very soon due to embouchure / dental
problems.
> So, I figured that now is the time to take up drums since my arms
and legs
> have not fallen off yet.
>
> The only issue is that I am a bit behind (late) on the learning
curve (I
> would imagine).
>
> So the question I have for you \u201cOld Folks\u201d is... If my goal is to
learn
> drum kit for playing rock/jazz tunes with a praise band in my
church ...
> Should I be taking private lessons concentrating on drumming
technique /
> sticking / rudiments first? Or should I be concentrating on
learning the
> common drum grooves and limb coordination first or a little bit of
both at
> the same time?
>
> In other words ... What would be the most efficient path to playing
a kit
> well enough for performance (assuming I am typical 47 year old adult
> learner) .... before I become REALLY old?

Hi Todd,

What follows is definitely one man's opinion, and I would be happy to
see other comments as well. As far as I'm concerned, combining
private lessons for mechanics/stick control and practicing grooves
privately in a kit context is perfectly reasonable, if not advisable.
If, as Kiki Dee and Elton John so eloquently put it, you've got the
music in you, and can carry a beat, you probably can hear a drum part
better than you can play it at this point. But with a little
perseverence, the gap will certainly close. Most basic pop and rock
drumming, stripped of embellishments and individual signatures, is
relatively easy to play--which is not to say that it offers no
challenges or satisfaction. But getting a foot in the door if you
have a sense of rhythm need not take forever. Personally, I never had
a drum lesson in my life, but because my father was a big-band,
dixieland-style drummer--and a good one--I picked up a lot just by
hanging around him. Rudiments became integrated with my routine
playing. I was a trombone player before I started drumming, with lots
of lessons in music theory and practice. Drumming released me to play
more music that I actually liked; I took to it in a way that I just
couldn't take to any other instrument.

A lot of technically advanced drummers tend to be skeptical of self-
taught drummers because they often lack versatility. Acquiring
technical skills can help you not only to play the music that appeals
to you but also to open up other avenues that you might otherwise
never consider--let alone keep you from physically hurting yourself.
All the while you can practice the common beats--4/4, 3/4, 6/8, etc.--
until you can speak them like a second language, with your own style
and accent. The pleasure of having a time signature fall into place,
allowing you the further joy of surprising yourself with a perfectly
executed, tasteful lick of your own, or even someone else's, is
priceless.

If you like the instrument (what's not to like), and don't mind a
little hard work, you'll be a drummer before you know it. Half the
fun is getting there. I'll let you in on a little secret: No sooner
do you get the satisfaction of arriving than you're on the way to
getting somewhere else.

Ed





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