The canceling issue was not really a flawed design issue. Each of the pads on the rack are nearer or farther from the other pads. The farther away and the mounting on different sections of the rack tubing, reduces the vibration between pads. So typically Yamaha setup the rejection settings and specific rejection settings based on what would generally work in most cases. If you are a heavy hitter, you are going have more problems right of the bat than someone who is a light hitter. The issue with the snare and the hihat is that they are mounted on the same rack tube that is only supported from one end and it thus more subject to excess vibration. With the TP65 hihat pad and the TP65S snare pad on the same rack tube the specific rejection settings were set higher between the two pads, so that hitting one pad would not trigger the other pad. They showed an alternate mounting location for heavy hitters of putting the TP65 Hihat pad on the tube with the module. This gives ample isolation and lets you reduce the rejection settings. Since you Pintech zenbal is producing a lower sound level, you are probably trying to make up for it by hitting it harder than you were hitting the TP65 pad. Thus you are have a interference problem. You could move the zenbal to the module rack tube, if possible and then you could reduce the rejection settings to eliminate the cancellation problems. As far as the volume level of the zenbal, unfortunately, there are only input attenuation switches for inputs 1 through 6 on the back of the module. Also, I not sure where the peizo on it is located. On the Yamaha cymbal pads it is located on the underside of the pad from where you hit it. If is located on the opposite side of the cymbal for the zenbal, you will get a lower level of triggering. If this is the case, what would happen if you rotated the zenbal so the Peizo was closer to you. Do you still get a lower level? As far as the RHH130, look in the photo archive under "Inside the dtxpress" under the "RHH130" for the photos I took of mine taken apart. The center rod that moves up and down holds a heavy weighted disk that moves up and down on a rubber rocker pad. That pad presses down on a FSR ribbon. This the same principle that is being used on the HH65, it just has been moved from under the foot pedal to inside the cymbal pad. OGD ________________________________ From: jggallow Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:03 PM To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DTXpress] Re: RHH130 Hi-hat upgrade for DTXPRESS II Thanks for the response. I have some follow-ups: I don't recall having any cancelling issues with the snare and hi- hat when I used the stock TP65 pad that came with the kit. I've only noticed it with since I changed to the Pintech zenbal. Was this problem with the module noticible only when other manufacturer's components were mixed with the kit? Also, was there ever a fix or patch for the "flaw"? I really would like to find a solution to my current problem and not have to buy another cymbal. I actually like the Pintech cymbal; I just hate the low volume and the cancelling with simultaneous snare hits. That's a show-stopper in my book! Still a little confused on the RHH130 and the stand integration. My question is how does the standard hi-hat stand pedal manipulate the hi-hat closing/opening sound? what is the pedal action physically doing to the cymbal? If I were to start tapping out a beat with the hi-hat peddle, how does that register a sound since there is no more hi-hat foot controller pedal that pugged into the module. I assume that connection actually connects somewhere into the RHH130 itself (I presume the RHH130 has two cable connections then). Is this correct. If you could please describe how it connects. --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "jggallow" <jggallow@y...> wrote: > > It's been disappointing. First off, without any module > modification, > > the zenbal cymbal carried very low volume. For months I've been > > modifying the settings to get it to play loud. I just can't push > the > > module any higher. I can't get adequate volume out of the cymbal. > > On top of that, simultaneous hits with the snare and the hi-hat > > eliminate the hi-hat strikes. This has bummed me out. I again > have > > modified the rejection settings on the module but can't keep it > from > > continuing. I'm out of ideas unless someone out there has a > similar > > setup and has it working well. Please let me know your tricks if > > you're out there. > > The problem of the snare cancelling the hi hat entailed a flaw in the > specific rejection setting out of the box when the II came out. If > I'm not mistaken, we discovered it on this board and called Yamaha's > attention to it. It wouldn't have mattered whether the hi hat > component were a Yamaha or any other company's, since the problem was > with the module. Your difficulty seems too similar for coincidence, > though you've presumably had yours long enough to have rectified it > in the usual way. > > > This foul path has led me to some conclusions that may or may not > be > > entirely true. My first thought is that mixing drum components > from > > different manufacturers is tricky and troublesome. > > This idea has more merit with mixing/matching on a Yamaha base than > on any other company's. Most after-market e-drum gear is > manufactured, first and foremost, to be compatible with Roland's. > Most of the time, use with Yamaha gear won't be a total failure, > although it has been at times, but perfect compatibility with Yamaha > has been elusive enough at least to cause inconvenience. Pintech has > always been one of the brands most adaptable to a Yamaha context. > > > My second thought is, naturally, it is better in my case to use a > Yamaha-based product > > to ensure compatability. So if that is true, what Yamaha pad is > the > > right pad for me? > > > > That has led me to research the RHH130 pad now included in the > > DTXPRESS III. It has the right "Look." But I have these questions: > > > > 1) Is this pad compatable with the DTXPRESS II module? Will I have > > volume issues? > > > > 2) How does this pad work? The write-ups on the web say it > attaches > > to a standard hi-hat cymbal stand (which I have, albeit an old > one). > > How does a standard hi-hat stand peddle manipulate this pad? Is > the > > pad split into two parts are the top and the upper and bottom > halves > > trigger the pedal activity? What happens to my current hi-hat > > pedal? I assume that's not used anymore. > > Staying within the Yamaha camp is safest, unless you have good > information or personal experience otherwise. The RHH130 is > compatible with the II. I don't know of any volume issues. It > connects and behaves like your HH65. Most hi hat stands appear to > accommodate it; it just needs proper room to clamp. The pad itself is > stationary on the hi hat stand; it does not work like an acoustic hi > hat, with two cymbals that open aand close. Since you use the stand > for the foot action, your current HH65 would go to pasture, ebay, > another board member, or perhaps to another input as a second kick > pedal. > > Ed Community email addresses: Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress Alternate DTXpress site: http://www.dtxpressions.com Yahoo! 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RE: [DTXpress] Re: RHH130 Hi-hat upgrade for DTXPRESS II
2005-03-04 by Damon, Rob