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Evolver update from OS 1.0?

Evolver update from OS 1.0?

2003-09-29 by Robert Shanks

Hi all -

I seem to be having problems with updating the Evolver OS.  I have OS 1.0
for the PIC and 1.0 for the DSP.  Evolver #007.   I'm using MidiOx with the
1024/128 output buffers as Ski suggested.  The Evolver counts down from 31
to 0, but then just shows 99 and freezes up until you pull the power plug.
Everything comes back up fine when you repower, but I sure would like to
try out that new OS and bank o' patches.  (Are the new patches from
Evolutionaries?  If so, I've got that.)

Anyway...  I thought I'd ask here before I email Dave.

Thanks - Robert

Re: Evolver update from OS 1.0?

2003-09-29 by ski_ex5tech

WOW!  You powered down the Evolver during the upgrade and lived to 
tell?!  ...when Dave's instructions specifically said, "Thou shalt 
not remove the power source from thy Evolver during the sacred 
procedure"?

You have some seriously large copper/zinc alloy spherical objects!

Kidding aside, I AM surprised that your Evolver still works.  I can't 
imagine why the procedure didn't work, unless a) you just needed to 
wait longer, or b) you still need more and/or larger output buffers.  
You DID adjust the OUTPUT buffers, and not the INPUT buffers, right?

I actually had the same problem the first time I tried to upgrade to 
v1.4, but it was because I hadn't adjusted the output buffers.  I 
thought my Evolver PIC/DSP chips were hosed, but I simply performed 
the procedure again (*without* powering off/on) after adjusting the 
buffers, and everything went fine.

You may want to try more and/or larger buffers, but I'd probably 
email Dave on this one.  Best of luck!


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Robert Shanks <synthlab@n...> 
wrote:
> Hi all -
> 
> I seem to be having problems with updating the Evolver OS.  I have 
OS 1.0
> for the PIC and 1.0 for the DSP.  Evolver #007.   I'm using MidiOx 
with the
> 1024/128 output buffers as Ski suggested.  The Evolver counts down 
from 31
> to 0, but then just shows 99 and freezes up until you pull the 
power plug.
> Everything comes back up fine when you repower, but I sure would 
like to
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> try out that new OS and bank o' patches.  (Are the new patches from
> Evolutionaries?  If so, I've got that.)
> 
> Anyway...  I thought I'd ask here before I email Dave.
> 
> Thanks - Robert

Re: [Evolver] Re: Evolver update from OS 1.0? !

2003-09-30 by Robert Shanks

Hi Ski -

>WOW!  You powered down the Evolver during the upgrade and lived to
>tell?!  ...when Dave's instructions specifically said, "Thou shalt
>not remove the power source from thy Evolver during the sacred
>procedure"?
>
>You have some seriously large copper/zinc alloy spherical objects!

Yeah - My mother used to tell me not to stick metal objects into the power
outlets too, but I always did and it hasn't affected me a bit.  (druel,
manic grin)

I kept trying different things to see if I could get the upload to the
Evolver to work.  Mac, PC, several different programs.  The Evolver would
always count down, but then just freeze with 99 on the display.  I would
then have to unplug it before I could get it to respond again.  I did this
at least twenty five times trying various things.

Then, after I read your message "large copper/zinc alloy spherical objects"
(grin), I read the message about making sure you don't have any other
input, like active sensing, going on.   Cool, I thought, maybe thats it.
So I switched off my PC88 going into the PC and fired up MidiOx to upload
it.  Shit!    Same damn thing.  Count down, 99, no binary counting, yank
the plug.  Plug it back in . . .  and it doesn't come back up.
AAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!      Gee, I guess it was working after all.  I'm
bummed.   Hi ho, hi ho, it's back to Dave it goes.    OK, OK,  I'm the
dumb-shit poster boy of the day.  Move along folks, these are not the
droids you are looking for.

So,   Stefan Weber, who was having the same problem I was,   make sure the
Evolver is not getting any active sensing AND give it time to do it's thing!

I guess I better email Dave and get him to send me a programmed PIC.
Maybe tommorrow will be a better day.
G'nite  -  Robert

--------------------------------------------------

WOW!  You powered down the Evolver during the upgrade and lived to
tell?!  ...when Dave's instructions specifically said, "Thou shalt
not remove the power source from thy Evolver during the sacred
procedure"?

You have some seriously large copper/zinc alloy spherical objects!

Kidding aside, I AM surprised that your Evolver still works.  I can't
imagine why the procedure didn't work, unless a) you just needed to
wait longer, or b) you still need more and/or larger output buffers.
You DID adjust the OUTPUT buffers, and not the INPUT buffers, right?

I actually had the same problem the first time I tried to upgrade to
v1.4, but it was because I hadn't adjusted the output buffers.  I
thought my Evolver PIC/DSP chips were hosed, but I simply performed
the procedure again (*without* powering off/on) after adjusting the
buffers, and everything went fine.

You may want to try more and/or larger buffers, but I'd probably
email Dave on this one.  Best of luck!


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Robert Shanks <synthlab@n...>
wrote:
> Hi all -
>
> I seem to be having problems with updating the Evolver OS.  I have
OS 1.0
> for the PIC and 1.0 for the DSP.  Evolver #007.   I'm using MidiOx
with the
> 1024/128 output buffers as Ski suggested.  The Evolver counts down
from 31
> to 0, but then just shows 99 and freezes up until you pull the
power plug.
> Everything comes back up fine when you repower, but I sure would
like to
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> try out that new OS and bank o' patches.  (Are the new patches from
> Evolutionaries?  If so, I've got that.)
>
> Anyway...  I thought I'd ask here before I email Dave.
>
> Thanks - Robert

[Evolver] Re: Evolver update from OS 1.0? !

2003-09-30 by ski_ex5tech

Sooo... what you're saying is, "If at first you don't fail miserably, 
try try and try again."  Do we have that right?!  ;)

Seriously, I'm sorry your PIC is toast.  I hope they're not too 
expensive, and/or too difficult to replace.


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Robert Shanks <synthlab@n...> 
wrote:
> Hi Ski -
> 
> >WOW!  You powered down the Evolver during the upgrade and lived to
> >tell?!  ...when Dave's instructions specifically said, "Thou shalt
> >not remove the power source from thy Evolver during the sacred
> >procedure"?
> >
> >You have some seriously large copper/zinc alloy spherical objects!
> 
> Yeah - My mother used to tell me not to stick metal objects into 
the power
> outlets too, but I always did and it hasn't affected me a bit.  
(druel,
> manic grin)
> 
> I kept trying different things to see if I could get the upload to 
the
> Evolver to work.  Mac, PC, several different programs.  The Evolver 
would
> always count down, but then just freeze with 99 on the display.  I 
would
> then have to unplug it before I could get it to respond again.  I 
did this
> at least twenty five times trying various things.
> 
> Then, after I read your message "large copper/zinc alloy spherical 
objects"
> (grin), I read the message about making sure you don't have any 
other
> input, like active sensing, going on.   Cool, I thought, maybe 
thats it.
> So I switched off my PC88 going into the PC and fired up MidiOx to 
upload
> it.  Shit!    Same damn thing.  Count down, 99, no binary counting, 
yank
> the plug.  Plug it back in . . .  and it doesn't come back up.
> AAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!      Gee, I guess it was working after 
all.  I'm
> bummed.   Hi ho, hi ho, it's back to Dave it goes.    OK, OK,  I'm 
the
> dumb-shit poster boy of the day.  Move along folks, these are not 
the
> droids you are looking for.
> 
> So,   Stefan Weber, who was having the same problem I was,   make 
sure the
> Evolver is not getting any active sensing AND give it time to do 
it's thing!
> 
> I guess I better email Dave and get him to send me a programmed PIC.
> Maybe tommorrow will be a better day.
> G'nite  -  Robert
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> WOW!  You powered down the Evolver during the upgrade and lived to
> tell?!  ...when Dave's instructions specifically said, "Thou shalt
> not remove the power source from thy Evolver during the sacred
> procedure"?
> 
> You have some seriously large copper/zinc alloy spherical objects!
> 
> Kidding aside, I AM surprised that your Evolver still works.  I 
can't
> imagine why the procedure didn't work, unless a) you just needed to
> wait longer, or b) you still need more and/or larger output buffers.
> You DID adjust the OUTPUT buffers, and not the INPUT buffers, right?
> 
> I actually had the same problem the first time I tried to upgrade to
> v1.4, but it was because I hadn't adjusted the output buffers.  I
> thought my Evolver PIC/DSP chips were hosed, but I simply performed
> the procedure again (*without* powering off/on) after adjusting the
> buffers, and everything went fine.
> 
> You may want to try more and/or larger buffers, but I'd probably
> email Dave on this one.  Best of luck!
> 
> 
> Ski
> www.ex5tech.com
> EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Robert Shanks <synthlab@n...>
> wrote:
> > Hi all -
> >
> > I seem to be having problems with updating the Evolver OS.  I have
> OS 1.0
> > for the PIC and 1.0 for the DSP.  Evolver #007.   I'm using MidiOx
> with the
> > 1024/128 output buffers as Ski suggested.  The Evolver counts down
> from 31
> > to 0, but then just shows 99 and freezes up until you pull the
> power plug.
> > Everything comes back up fine when you repower, but I sure would
> like to
> > try out that new OS and bank o' patches.  (Are the new patches 
from
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > Evolutionaries?  If so, I've got that.)
> >
> > Anyway...  I thought I'd ask here before I email Dave.
> >
> > Thanks - Robert

Re: [Evolver] Re: Evolver update from OS 1.0? !

2003-09-30 by Robert Shanks

>Sooo... what you're saying is, "If at first you don't fail miserably,
>try try and try again."  Do we have that right?!  ;)
Yeap - that's right.  How'd I do boss?

>
>Seriously, I'm sorry your PIC is toast.  I hope they're not too
>expensive, and/or too difficult to replace.
Dave sez he'll send you another one if you screw up.  It says that in the
pdf.  The chip itself is not damaged, just slightly confused.  I wonder if
he would send me the hex.  I've got a programmer and program PICs already.
I can't remember if it can do 18F452 chips though.  I do mostly 16F877 &
16F628 these days.

Oh well - onward and upward.  Tommorrow's another day and there's plenty
more things to blow up.  :)

RS

[Evolver] Re: Evolver update from OS 1.0? !

2003-09-30 by ski_ex5tech

You know, I think you're right about Dave's policy on this.  I missed 
it, but the v1.5 document changes, and now uses the words "You would 
then need to contact us to GET a new fully programmed PIC chip..." 
The v1.4 document that I was remembering said, "You would then need 
to contact us to BUY a new fully programmed PIC chip..."

Every now and then, that Dave's a pretty nice guy!  ;)


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Robert Shanks <synthlab@n...> 
wrote:
> >Sooo... what you're saying is, "If at first you don't fail 
miserably,
> >try try and try again."  Do we have that right?!  ;)
> Yeap - that's right.  How'd I do boss?
> 
> >
> >Seriously, I'm sorry your PIC is toast.  I hope they're not too
> >expensive, and/or too difficult to replace.
> Dave sez he'll send you another one if you screw up.  It says that 
in the
> pdf.  The chip itself is not damaged, just slightly confused.  I 
wonder if
> he would send me the hex.  I've got a programmer and program PICs 
already.
> I can't remember if it can do 18F452 chips though.  I do mostly 
16F877 &
> 16F628 these days.
> 
> Oh well - onward and upward.  Tommorrow's another day and there's 
plenty
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> more things to blow up.  :)
> 
> RS

[Evolver] Re: Evolver update from OS 1.0? !

2003-09-30 by ski_ex5tech

I'm thinking you need at least TWO Evolvers... one to mess with, and 
a spare or two to fall back on for times like these!  ;)  Seriously, 
I'm sure that Dave can get a new PIC headed your way quickly.  Hope 
you get it worked out soon.


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Robert Shanks <synthlab@n...> 
wrote:
> Hi Ski -
> 
> Buy/give... either way is fine with me.  The chip is about $15 in 
Digikey.
> I just want my Evo back.
> 
> Robert
> 
> >You know, I think you're right about Dave's policy on this.  I 
missed
> >it, but the v1.5 document changes, and now uses the words "You 
would
> >then need to contact us to GET a new fully programmed PIC chip..."
> >The v1.4 document that I was remembering said, "You would then need
> >to contact us to BUY a new fully programmed PIC chip..."
> >
> >Every now and then, that Dave's a pretty nice guy!  ;)
> >
> >
> >Ski
> >www.ex5tech.com
> >EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> >http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> >
> >
> >--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Robert Shanks <synthlab@n...>
> >wrote:
> >> >Sooo... what you're saying is, "If at first you don't fail
> >miserably,
> >> >try try and try again."  Do we have that right?!  ;)
> >> Yeap - that's right.  How'd I do boss?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Seriously, I'm sorry your PIC is toast.  I hope they're not too
> >> >expensive, and/or too difficult to replace.
> >> Dave sez he'll send you another one if you screw up.  It says 
that
> >in the
> >> pdf.  The chip itself is not damaged, just slightly confused.  I
> >wonder if
> >> he would send me the hex.  I've got a programmer and program PICs
> >already.
> >> I can't remember if it can do 18F452 chips though.  I do mostly
> >16F877 &
> >> 16F628 these days.
> >>
> >> Oh well - onward and upward.  Tommorrow's another day and there's
> >plenty
> >> more things to blow up.  :)
> >>
> >> RS
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >DSI_Evolver-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
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Re: [Evolver] Re: Evolver update from OS 1.0? !

2003-09-30 by Robert Shanks

Hi Ski -

Buy/give... either way is fine with me.  The chip is about $15 in Digikey.
I just want my Evo back.

Robert
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>You know, I think you're right about Dave's policy on this.  I missed
>it, but the v1.5 document changes, and now uses the words "You would
>then need to contact us to GET a new fully programmed PIC chip..."
>The v1.4 document that I was remembering said, "You would then need
>to contact us to BUY a new fully programmed PIC chip..."
>
>Every now and then, that Dave's a pretty nice guy!  ;)
>
>
>Ski
>www.ex5tech.com
>EX5Tech Evolver forum:
>http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
>
>
>--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Robert Shanks <synthlab@n...>
>wrote:
>> >Sooo... what you're saying is, "If at first you don't fail
>miserably,
>> >try try and try again."  Do we have that right?!  ;)
>> Yeap - that's right.  How'd I do boss?
>>
>> >
>> >Seriously, I'm sorry your PIC is toast.  I hope they're not too
>> >expensive, and/or too difficult to replace.
>> Dave sez he'll send you another one if you screw up.  It says that
>in the
>> pdf.  The chip itself is not damaged, just slightly confused.  I
>wonder if
>> he would send me the hex.  I've got a programmer and program PICs
>already.
>> I can't remember if it can do 18F452 chips though.  I do mostly
>16F877 &
>> 16F628 these days.
>>
>> Oh well - onward and upward.  Tommorrow's another day and there's
>plenty
>> more things to blow up.  :)
>>
>> RS
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>
>
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Re: [Evolver] Re: Evolver update from OS 1.0? !

2003-09-30 by Robert Shanks

Hi Ski -

>I'm thinking you need at least TWO Evolvers... one to mess with, and
>a spare or two to fall back on for times like these!  ;)

Yeah - that's the ticket!  I'll just convince me lovely wife I need a
second Evolver.

p.s.     Do ya have a spare bedroom if this doesn't go well?   :)

RS

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