Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Hi all,

If anyone is interested in discussing FM synthesis, I have started a 
new group dedicated to developing practical FM programming 
techniques. I know we're not talking CZs here, but I figure some of 
you may be interested in the other major digital synthesis method 
from the CZ era...I suspect some of you probably own DX machines as 
well!
Basically the list is not specific to any particular FM synth, it is 
inteneded to encompas all forms of FM timbre building... this could 
also include the analogues that featured cross modulation, modular 
synths (both real and virtual) which can be configured for FM and the 
current VAs that are starting to offer FM. 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FMSynthesis

Please feel free to drop by!

Thanks

Adam

Hi Adam,

I think I should join your list...

Btw. the FM Synthesis used in the DX isn't realy FM it's Phase Modulation
and the Phase Distortion on CZ and VZ Synths can also be called PM. So all
those PD and iPD synths are originally FM synths. The only difference to the
DX FM is, that the the ratio between carrier and modulator stays 1:1.... 
On the CZ - Synths the FM/PM is packed into a subtractive box to make
programming easier, quite simular to some of the Korg synths. On VZ Synths
the programming is almost identical to DX synths (at least having 2 VZ Osc.
with sinus waveforms in Phase sounds and looks -waveform wise- almost like
doing simple FM with my TX81z or FS1R on 1:1 Frequency) but it's 8 OPs and
you can create your own algorithms. Also both, CZ and VZ, are expanded with
ringmodulation and waveforms other then sinus...

So we're already talking FM Synthesis here ;) :) 
So if your list isn't specific to a particular FM synth you could invite all
of us :)

Summa
  
 

At 12:09 19.04.01 -0000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>If anyone is interested in discussing FM synthesis, I have started a 
>new group dedicated to developing practical FM programming 
>techniques. I know we're not talking CZs here, but I figure some of 
>you may be interested in the other major digital synthesis method 
>from the CZ era...I suspect some of you probably own DX machines as 
>well!
>Basically the list is not specific to any particular FM synth, it is 
>inteneded to encompas all forms of FM timbre building... this could 
>also include the analogues that featured cross modulation, modular 
>synths (both real and virtual) which can be configured for FM and the 
>current VAs that are starting to offer FM. 
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FMSynthesis
>
>Please feel free to drop by!
>
>Thanks
>
>Adam
>
>
>
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Hi Summa 
You're most welcome to join the FM list, as is everyone here. I had 
read that mathematically phase distortion is a "special case" of 
FM...and I'm beginning to understand how this is. Interesting to read 
your views on it. Please feel free to post these thoughts at the FM 
list. 
It would be great to hear your comments on the TX81Z and FS1r. You'll 
find Tim C will be very interested in the TX81Z and Chris C seems to 
be fairly knowledgeable on the technical aspects of FM. 
Adam

Hi Adam,

>You're most welcome to join the FM list, as is everyone here. I had 
>read that mathematically phase distortion is a "special case" of 
>FM...and I'm beginning to understand how this is. Interesting to read 
>your views on it. Please feel free to post these thoughts at the FM 
>list. 

I joined your list yesterday :) 

But I'm not the one to start those discussions from scratch. I rather wait
and see... :) 

>I had read that mathematically phase distortion is a "special case" of 
>FM...and I'm beginning to understand how this is. Interesting to read 
>your views on it. Please feel free to post these thoughts at the FM 

I'm not that much into math so I'm imgagine the results of synthesis in a
more waveform based way. Basicly Phasemodulation is "better" then FM, since
the carrier frequency isn't changing when being modulated and get's no dc
offset, it also creates a more constant sounding patch on the whole keyboard
range...
That's why yamaha implemented PM instead of FM... 
Also when using another carrier waveforms then sinus you can't use the
modulator as LFO anymore. I experienced that effect on the FS1R...
Anyway, all I wanted to say is, that CZ, VZ and Korg VPM Synths are basicly
as much FM/PM synths then the ones Yamaha created....
Even so they may not have gained the same status DX synths have, the
discussion about those synth belongs to your list as well. Especially the VZ
is interesting, since that synth combines FM with ringmodulation. So the
soundprogrammer can chose if the an oscillator pair is parallel, phased (1:1
FM) or ringmolated.   

Summa

>find Tim C will be very interested in the TX81Z and Chris C seems to 
>be fairly knowledgeable on the technical aspects of FM. 

I think I know Tim from Daves DX List, he's the one with the ATARI users
list, isn't he?

Summa


At 08:43 20.04.01 -0000, you wrote:
>Hi Summa 
>You're most welcome to join the FM list, as is everyone here. I had 
>read that mathematically phase distortion is a "special case" of 
>FM...and I'm beginning to understand how this is. Interesting to read 
>your views on it. Please feel free to post these thoughts at the FM 
>list. 
>It would be great to hear your comments on the TX81Z and FS1r. You'll 
>find Tim C will be very interested in the TX81Z and Chris C seems to 
>be fairly knowledgeable on the technical aspects of FM. 
>Adam 
>
>
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           +                        
           +                       
           +     /\      /\         
        /\ +  /\/  \    /  \        
+++++++/++\++/++++++\++/+++ \    /\  /\         /    O   
      /    \/        \/      \  /  \/  \ |   | /     |  /----
 /\  /     +                  \/        \\---/ ----  |  |
/  \/      +                  /\                  /     \----
           +                 /  \                / 
           +                 Nicknames  : Summa or SumGhost
           +                 AIM        : Flotorian
           +                 Born       : 1967
           +                 Profession : Student of Computer Science
           +	                     

A Touch of Future - Project : http://www.mp3.com/AToF/
Casio CZ Synth Station      : http://www.mp3.com/stations/CZ/ 

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> I joined your list yesterday :)

I'll have to interrogate your brain there then! Hehehe...!

> But I'm not the one to start those discussions from scratch. I 
rather wait and see... :) 

Ohh, why not?? You seem to have a lot to say :)

> I'm not that much into math so I'm imgagine the results of 
synthesis in a more waveform based way. 

Yeah, me too, but I read a book once that almost made me understand 
the maths!

> Anyway, all I wanted to say is, that CZ, VZ and Korg VPM Synths are 
basicly as much FM/PM synths then the ones Yamaha created....
Even so they may not have gained the same status DX synths have, the 
discussion about those synth belongs to your list as well. Especially 
the VZ is interesting, since that synth combines FM with 
ringmodulation. So the soundprogrammer can chose if the an oscillator 
pair is parallel, phased (1:1FM) or ringmolated.   

Yes, I think there are some interesting machines out there that 
generate timbres using versions of FM, but they may have 
been "forced" to label their methods as something else so that they 
didn't infringe on Yamaha's patent or copyright or whatever. I'm 
hoping we do get some users of these other machines. It'd be great to 
hear from a Synergy or Fairlight user!! Maybe Wendy Carlos!! :)

> I think I know Tim from Daves DX List, he's the one with the ATARI 
users list, isn't he?

Yes that's him. He's been very helpful with my Atari and FM machines.

Adam