VZ sysex in Sonar, also link to backlight repair foil
2004-09-04 by zog2zog2003
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2004-09-04 by zog2zog2003
Hello, I just got a VZ-10m with no manual. The display is dim, someone posted that you hold down the "display" key and move the slider, to adjust it. Thanks. There's a link, www.midi-rakete.de, they sell backlight foil for synth displays. I wonder what's special about it. I didn't succeed in getting Sysex to transmit from MidiOx. But in Sonar 3, I got it to work after putting the SysxSendPacketSize=64 in the [options] part of the ttsseq.ini file, as the help suggests. Pete
2004-09-04 by Scott Nordlund
>Hello, >I just got a VZ-10m with no manual. The display is dim, someone >posted that you hold down the "display" key and move the slider, to >adjust it. Thanks. > >There's a link, www.midi-rakete.de, they sell backlight foil for >synth displays. I wonder what's special about it. It's just for replacing faded backlights. Electroluminescent panels fade with use and at some point need to be replaced. _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx
2004-09-04 by phonophobie
Hi Pete! Last night i tried to send sysex banks from midiOX to my VZ10m too. I was getting an ERROR message all the time. ( vz said something about midi error/ Check system ). I can not imagine i was getting this message before - it maybe has something to do with my new system and midi interface? I came up with an idea that older synth can not handle fast sysex transfer rates, so i set a delay between buffers in midiox. I guess thats something you didi in sonar, right? But i had still no success with midiox! Does anyone have same problems? Can anyone help? As for backlight: Midirakete will do the job for you. just send him the size of your your foil - or send him a scan of your backlightfoil. Phono --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "zog2zog2003" <sandersp1@j...> wrote:
> Hello, > I just got a VZ-10m with no manual. The display is dim, someone > posted that you hold down the "display" key and move the slider, to > adjust it. Thanks. > > There's a link, www.midi-rakete.de, they sell backlight foil for > synth displays. I wonder what's special about it. > > I didn't succeed in getting Sysex to transmit from MidiOx. But in > Sonar 3, I got it to work after putting the SysxSendPacketSize=64 in > the [options] part of the ttsseq.ini file, as the help suggests. > > Pete
2004-09-05 by steve_the_composer
This past week I successfully connected a VZ-8m to Sonar 3. I had problems at first and tried all the suggestions in Sonar Help [system exclusive | troubleshooting] Currently, I do not have either SysxDelayAfterF7 enabled or a value for SysxSendDelayMSecs. I tried those and had no success. I am not 100% sure what worked for me, but at present I have the ability to send the VZ Voice + Op-Mem patches [see Files] to Sonar and to dump into Sonar. The VZ-8m has a TOTAL CONTROL menu structure. I am not sure if the other VZs do. In case it helps, here's what I do there: 02 MEM PROTECT - Switch INTERNAL to OFF 04 MIDI CHANNEL - Set midi channel to channel of data 05 MIDI DATA - Switch ECLUSIVE to ENA [enabled] 03 SAVE/LOAD - LOAD/SAVE > MIDI > [data type] > YES, YES Note: It seems that data type must be matched. In order to sucessfully load data that was stored as Voice + Op-Mem data, I had to set up the VZ to accept that type of data. 0
2004-09-05 by steve_the_composer
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote: > Last night i tried to send sysex banks from midiOX to my VZ10m too. > I was getting an ERROR message all the time. ( vz said something > about midi error/ Check system ). Here are the error messages I have been getting when sending VZ sysex data to the VZ-8m. (See my previous message about channel and data type matching.) --------------------------------------------------------------- Message: --TRANS ERROR--- | CHECK SYSTEM! Problem: Data channel <> VZ receive channel Solution: Change VZ channel to match sysex file data. Message: --MIDI ERROR--- | RECEIVE ERROR Problem: Data type transmitted <> Data type expected Solution: Select proper data type when loading data type into VZ. --------------------------------------------------------------- To see the channel and size of data, you can use debug [PC]. EXAMPLE [VZCard9.syx]: F0 44 03 00 70 70 02 F7 F0 = system exclusive data coming 44 = Casio product ID 03 = VZ line 00 = VZ-1 format data [02 = VZ-8m format data] 70 = channel 1 [7N where N = 0->F meaningchannels 1->16] 70 = open communication 02 = INT 64 voices + 64 op-mems F7 = end of sysex transmission. F0 44 03 00 70 74 . . . [data] . . . F7 74 = data is coming next other codes for the 6th byte: 71 = close 72 = ok 73 = error --------------------------------------------------------------- For the VZ-8m, I have the following SYSEX data sizes [received from VZ]: 65661 = FULL [Voice + Op-Men + Total] 65644 = VC+OP [Voice + Op-Mem] 43094 = VOICE 22672 = OPMEM The VZ files posted in files are 55958 which I assume is the VZ-1/VZ- 10M VC+OP size. --------------------------------------------------------------- Hope this helps. --Steve
2004-09-05 by steve_the_composer
Footnotes: VZ-8m data transfer VZ-1/10m data first then VZ-8m specific data. So, if someone tried to send VZ-8m data to a VZ-1/10m, the voice and op- mem data should load. Here's the dump sequence: F0 44 03 00 7A 70 02 F7 [open communication for 64 voices and 64 op-mems on channel 11] F0 44 03 00 7A 74 . . . [data] F7 [VZ-1/10m common data on channel 11] F0 44 03 00 7A 71 F7 [close communication on channel 11] F0 44 03 02 7A 70 03 F7 [open communication for 64 voices, 64 op-mems, and TOTAL CONTROL on channel 11] F0 44 03 02 7A 74 . . . [data] F7 [VZ-8m specific data on channel 11] F0 44 03 02 7A 71 F7 [close communication on channel 11] The first 3 sysex commands should be understood by all VZ. The last 3 should be ignored by all VZs except the VZ-8m. Hope this helps. --Steve PS: I listened to the factory patches [Files] and wasn't impressed with a few exceptions. I have my own patches--some tweaked, some totally original. My original patches tend to be spacey, wild, and pan/timbre effects using the mod wheel for control. My tweaks tend to be variations customized for a wind controller [DH-100]. If others have good patches you have designed yourselves (esp. spacey sounds, sfx, wind controller sounds), I would be interested in swapping.
2004-09-05 by phonophobie
Hi Steve! Many thanks for the infos! I just tried to send that VZcard09, but still getting the same message ( Load Error / Check system ! ). I don´t have used "deBug". (is this a freeware application?). So i am not sure about the midichanel within the datafile. here is what i did (used MidiOx): 02 MEM PROTECT - INTERNAL OFF 04 MIDI CHANNEL - I set it to "1" 05 MIDI DATA - ECLUSIVE enabled 03 LOAD - LOAD/SAVE > MIDI > [data type] > YES, YES As soon MidiOx starts to send the sysexdata, the VZ-10m gives me that error.... is there anything i am doing wrong? phono --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote: > > Last night i tried to send sysex banks from midiOX to my VZ10m too. > > I was getting an ERROR message all the time. ( vz said something > > about midi error/ Check system ). > > Here are the error messages I have been getting when sending VZ sysex > data to the VZ-8m. (See my previous message about channel and data > type matching.) > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: --TRANS ERROR--- | CHECK SYSTEM! > Problem: Data channel <> VZ receive channel > Solution: Change VZ channel to match sysex file data. > > Message: --MIDI ERROR--- | RECEIVE ERROR > Problem: Data type transmitted <> Data type expected > Solution: Select proper data type when loading data type into VZ. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > To see the channel and size of data, you can use debug [PC]. > > EXAMPLE [VZCard9.syx]: > F0 44 03 00 70 70 02 F7 > F0 = system exclusive data coming > 44 = Casio product ID > 03 = VZ line > 00 = VZ-1 format data [02 = VZ-8m format data] > 70 = channel 1 [7N where N = 0->F meaningchannels 1->16] > 70 = open communication > 02 = INT 64 voices + 64 op-mems > F7 = end of sysex transmission. > > F0 44 03 00 70 74 . . . [data] . . . F7 > 74 = data is coming next > > other codes for the 6th byte: > 71 = close > 72 = ok > 73 = error > --------------------------------------------------------------- > For the VZ-8m, I have the following SYSEX data sizes [received from > VZ]: > > 65661 = FULL [Voice + Op-Men + Total] > 65644 = VC+OP [Voice + Op-Mem] > 43094 = VOICE > 22672 = OPMEM > > The VZ files posted in files are 55958 which I assume is the VZ-1/VZ- > 10M VC+OP size. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Hope this helps. > --Steve
2004-09-05 by steve_the_composer
I have heard of MidiOX over the years, but have never used it. I have been working with Cakewalk software since MS-DOS. It handles my sysex needs nicely. I might download MidiOx when I have a chance just to see what's going on there. Is it freeware? The VZCard9.syx file (in the files section)is on channel 1, so your VZ settings should work. I am wondering if MidiOx is sending out the sysex data straight, or if it is sending something else first. (I assume for data type you chose VC+OP.) WIthout looking at MidiOx, I am not sure what else to suggest. Do you have a sequencer that sends sysex data? At this point you probably don't need to use debug, unless you just want to take a look at some sysex files. Debug came with MS-DOS and is still part of windows. It is a simple utility. I recommend saving a copy of the sysex files you will be looking at to a folder in your root directory. I usually create C:\temp and copy the files there. Then: (1) From Windows Start, click Run, type: command This should take you to a C: prompt in a dos window. (2) Change the prompt to wherever the files are using the cd command (for change directory). I type cd c:/temp (3) At C:\temp dir *.syx will list the sysex files you have placed there. (4) Type debug vzcard9.syx [for example] (5) Type d 100 <enter> to start displaying the data. Type d <enter> to see another block of data. Other debug commands: ? = list of debug commands q = quit [then type exit to close the dos window] n = name EXAMPLE: n vzcard8.syx l = load s = search EXAMPLE: s 100 ffff f0 44 03 d = display EXAMPLE: d db8f I highly recommend not changing anything around with debug unless you know what you are doing. In other words, don't use the fill or enter commands without knowing first what you are changing. Hope this helps. --Steve --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote: > Hi Steve! Many thanks for the infos! > > I just tried to send that VZcard09, but still getting the same message > ( Load Error / Check system ! ). > I don´t have used "deBug". (is this a freeware application?). So i am > not sure about the midichanel within the datafile. > > here is what i did (used MidiOx): > 02 MEM PROTECT - INTERNAL OFF > 04 MIDI CHANNEL - I set it to "1" > 05 MIDI DATA - ECLUSIVE enabled > 03 LOAD - LOAD/SAVE > MIDI > [data type] > YES, YES > > As soon MidiOx starts to send the sysexdata, the VZ-10m gives me that > error.... > > is there anything i am doing wrong? > > phono > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> > wrote: > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote: > > > Last night i tried to send sysex banks from midiOX to my VZ10m too. > > > I was getting an ERROR message all the time. ( vz said something > > > about midi error/ Check system ). > > > > Here are the error messages I have been getting when sending VZ sysex > > data to the VZ-8m. (See my previous message about channel and data > > type matching.) > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: --TRANS ERROR--- | CHECK SYSTEM! > > Problem: Data channel <> VZ receive channel > > Solution: Change VZ channel to match sysex file data. > > > > Message: --MIDI ERROR--- | RECEIVE ERROR > > Problem: Data type transmitted <> Data type expected > > Solution: Select proper data type when loading data type into VZ. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > To see the channel and size of data, you can use debug [PC]. > > > > EXAMPLE [VZCard9.syx]: > > F0 44 03 00 70 70 02 F7 > > F0 = system exclusive data coming > > 44 = Casio product ID > > 03 = VZ line > > 00 = VZ-1 format data [02 = VZ-8m format data] > > 70 = channel 1 [7N where N = 0->F meaningchannels 1->16] > > 70 = open communication > > 02 = INT 64 voices + 64 op-mems > > F7 = end of sysex transmission. > > > > F0 44 03 00 70 74 . . . [data] . . . F7 > > 74 = data is coming next > > > > other codes for the 6th byte: > > 71 = close > > 72 = ok > > 73 = error > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > For the VZ-8m, I have the following SYSEX data sizes [received from > > VZ]: > > > > 65661 = FULL [Voice + Op-Men + Total] > > 65644 = VC+OP [Voice + Op-Mem] > > 43094 = VOICE > > 22672 = OPMEM > > > > The VZ files posted in files are 55958 which I assume is the VZ- 1/VZ-
> > 10M VC+OP size. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hope this helps. > > --Steve
2004-09-05 by phonophobie
MidiOX is freeware, and it works great with any other synth i have. http://www.midiox.com/ It also shows you the sysex code - so maybe there is no need to do this debug thing in windows? phono --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:
> I have heard of MidiOX over the years, but have never used it. I > have been working with Cakewalk software since MS-DOS. It handles my > sysex needs nicely. I might download MidiOx when I have a chance just > to see what's going on there. Is it freeware? > > The VZCard9.syx file (in the files section)is on channel 1, so your > VZ settings should work. I am wondering if MidiOx is sending out the > sysex data straight, or if it is sending something else first. > > (I assume for data type you chose VC+OP.) WIthout looking at MidiOx, > I am not sure what else to suggest. Do you have a sequencer that > sends sysex data? > > At this point you probably don't need to use debug, unless you just > want to take a look at some sysex files. > > Debug came with MS-DOS and is still part of windows. It is a simple > utility. > > I recommend saving a copy of the sysex files you will be looking at > to a folder in your root directory. I usually create C:\temp and > copy the files there. Then: > > (1) From Windows Start, click Run, type: command > This should take you to a C: prompt in a dos window. > > (2) Change the prompt to wherever the files are using the cd command > (for change directory). > I type cd c:/temp > > (3) At C:\temp dir *.syx will list the sysex files you have placed > there. > > (4) Type debug vzcard9.syx [for example] > > (5) Type d 100 <enter> to start displaying the data. Type d <enter> > to see another block of data. > > Other debug commands: > ? = list of debug commands > q = quit [then type exit to close the dos window] > n = name > EXAMPLE: n vzcard8.syx > l = load > s = search > EXAMPLE: s 100 ffff f0 44 03 > d = display > EXAMPLE: d db8f > > I highly recommend not changing anything around with debug unless you > know what you are doing. In other words, don't use the fill or enter > commands without knowing first what you are changing. > > Hope this helps. > > --Steve > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote: > > Hi Steve! Many thanks for the infos! > > > > I just tried to send that VZcard09, but still getting the same > message > > ( Load Error / Check system ! ). > > I don´t have used "deBug". (is this a freeware application?). So i > am > > not sure about the midichanel within the datafile. > > > > here is what i did (used MidiOx): > > 02 MEM PROTECT - INTERNAL OFF > > 04 MIDI CHANNEL - I set it to "1" > > 05 MIDI DATA - ECLUSIVE enabled > > 03 LOAD - LOAD/SAVE > MIDI > [data type] > YES, YES > > > > As soon MidiOx starts to send the sysexdata, the VZ-10m gives me > that > > error.... > > > > is there anything i am doing wrong? > > > > phono > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> > > wrote: > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> > wrote: > > > > Last night i tried to send sysex banks from midiOX to my VZ10m > too. > > > > I was getting an ERROR message all the time. ( vz said something > > > > about midi error/ Check system ). > > > > > > Here are the error messages I have been getting when sending VZ > sysex > > > data to the VZ-8m. (See my previous message about channel and > data > > > type matching.) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Message: --TRANS ERROR--- | CHECK SYSTEM! > > > Problem: Data channel <> VZ receive channel > > > Solution: Change VZ channel to match sysex file data. > > > > > > Message: --MIDI ERROR--- | RECEIVE ERROR > > > Problem: Data type transmitted <> Data type expected > > > Solution: Select proper data type when loading data type into VZ. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To see the channel and size of data, you can use debug [PC]. > > > > > > EXAMPLE [VZCard9.syx]: > > > F0 44 03 00 70 70 02 F7 > > > F0 = system exclusive data coming > > > 44 = Casio product ID > > > 03 = VZ line > > > 00 = VZ-1 format data [02 = VZ-8m format data] > > > 70 = channel 1 [7N where N = 0->F meaningchannels 1->16] > > > 70 = open communication > > > 02 = INT 64 voices + 64 op-mems > > > F7 = end of sysex transmission. > > > > > > F0 44 03 00 70 74 . . . [data] . . . F7 > > > 74 = data is coming next > > > > > > other codes for the 6th byte: > > > 71 = close > > > 72 = ok > > > 73 = error > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For the VZ-8m, I have the following SYSEX data sizes [received > from > > > VZ]: > > > > > > 65661 = FULL [Voice + Op-Men + Total] > > > 65644 = VC+OP [Voice + Op-Mem] > > > 43094 = VOICE > > > 22672 = OPMEM > > > > > > The VZ files posted in files are 55958 which I assume is the VZ- > 1/VZ- > > > 10M VC+OP size. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Hope this helps. > > > --Steve
2004-09-05 by zog2zog2003
Thanks Steve, I have sysex working ok in Midi-Ox and Sonar now, was just putting my results there for anybody's future reference. That's an interesting thing to use debug for, I kind of like debug. Midi-Ox is free for personal use, and it has a sysex edit window. It has a lot of features I'm just now looking at. I use either that or Hubi's loopback driver when I'm not using Sonar. There's a free VST host that's little, and has some midi functions, like a step- sequencer. Sometimes I run that in a separate computer, connected by Midi-ox. Pete --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote: > I have heard of MidiOX over the years, but have never used it. I > have been working with Cakewalk software since MS-DOS. It handles my > sysex needs nicely. I might download MidiOx when I have a chance just > to see what's going on there. Is it freeware? > > The VZCard9.syx file (in the files section)is on channel 1, so your > VZ settings should work. I am wondering if MidiOx is sending out the > sysex data straight, or if it is sending something else first. > > (I assume for data type you chose VC+OP.) WIthout looking at MidiOx, > I am not sure what else to suggest. Do you have a sequencer that > sends sysex data? > > At this point you probably don't need to use debug, unless you just > want to take a look at some sysex files. > > Debug came with MS-DOS and is still part of windows. It is a simple > utility. > > I recommend saving a copy of the sysex files you will be looking at > to a folder in your root directory. I usually create C:\temp and > copy the files there. Then: > > (1) From Windows Start, click Run, type: command > This should take you to a C: prompt in a dos window. > > (2) Change the prompt to wherever the files are using the cd command > (for change directory). > I type cd c:/temp > > (3) At C:\temp dir *.syx will list the sysex files you have placed > there. > > (4) Type debug vzcard9.syx [for example] > > (5) Type d 100 <enter> to start displaying the data. Type d <enter> > to see another block of data. > > Other debug commands: > ? = list of debug commands > q = quit [then type exit to close the dos window] > n = name > EXAMPLE: n vzcard8.syx > l = load > s = search > EXAMPLE: s 100 ffff f0 44 03 > d = display > EXAMPLE: d db8f > > I highly recommend not changing anything around with debug unless you > know what you are doing. In other words, don't use the fill or enter > commands without knowing first what you are changing. > > Hope this helps. > > --Steve > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote: > > Hi Steve! Many thanks for the infos! > > > > I just tried to send that VZcard09, but still getting the same > message > > ( Load Error / Check system ! ). > > I don´t have used "deBug". (is this a freeware application?). So i > am > > not sure about the midichanel within the datafile. > > > > here is what i did (used MidiOx): > > 02 MEM PROTECT - INTERNAL OFF > > 04 MIDI CHANNEL - I set it to "1" > > 05 MIDI DATA - ECLUSIVE enabled > > 03 LOAD - LOAD/SAVE > MIDI > [data type] > YES, YES > > > > As soon MidiOx starts to send the sysexdata, the VZ-10m gives me > that > > error.... > > > > is there anything i am doing wrong? > > > > phono > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw- mail@p...> > > wrote: > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> > wrote: > > > > Last night i tried to send sysex banks from midiOX to my VZ10m > too. > > > > I was getting an ERROR message all the time. ( vz said something > > > > about midi error/ Check system ). > > > > > > Here are the error messages I have been getting when sending VZ > sysex > > > data to the VZ-8m. (See my previous message about channel and > data > > > type matching.) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Message: --TRANS ERROR--- | CHECK SYSTEM! > > > Problem: Data channel <> VZ receive channel > > > Solution: Change VZ channel to match sysex file data. > > > > > > Message: --MIDI ERROR--- | RECEIVE ERROR > > > Problem: Data type transmitted <> Data type expected > > > Solution: Select proper data type when loading data type into VZ.
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To see the channel and size of data, you can use debug [PC]. > > > > > > EXAMPLE [VZCard9.syx]: > > > F0 44 03 00 70 70 02 F7 > > > F0 = system exclusive data coming > > > 44 = Casio product ID > > > 03 = VZ line > > > 00 = VZ-1 format data [02 = VZ-8m format data] > > > 70 = channel 1 [7N where N = 0->F meaningchannels 1->16] > > > 70 = open communication > > > 02 = INT 64 voices + 64 op-mems > > > F7 = end of sysex transmission. > > > > > > F0 44 03 00 70 74 . . . [data] . . . F7 > > > 74 = data is coming next > > > > > > other codes for the 6th byte: > > > 71 = close > > > 72 = ok > > > 73 = error > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For the VZ-8m, I have the following SYSEX data sizes [received > from > > > VZ]: > > > > > > 65661 = FULL [Voice + Op-Men + Total] > > > 65644 = VC+OP [Voice + Op-Mem] > > > 43094 = VOICE > > > 22672 = OPMEM > > > > > > The VZ files posted in files are 55958 which I assume is the VZ- > 1/VZ- > > > 10M VC+OP size. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Hope this helps. > > > --Steve
2004-09-06 by steve_the_composer
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote: > MidiOX is freeware, and it works great with any other synth i have. > http://www.midiox.com/ > It also shows you the sysex code - so maybe there is no need to do > this debug thing in windows? > > phono Nope. No need to use debug. You can look at the file in MidiOx's sysex view and see what channel the data is on and what type of data it is. Since MidiOx works with your setup and other gear, I can't see why it wouldn't work with your VZ. There's gotta be something you are missing. Sounds like time to work on it another day with a frsh start. Good luck. --Steve Hmmm. Long shot: In doing things for your other gear, did you do any channel or port routing that might be altering the VZ data on the way to the VZ? (Had to ask, just in case.)
2004-09-06 by steve_the_composer
> That's an interesting thing to use debug for, I kind of like debug. I got started assembly language programming with the Commodore line (C-64/C-128), the CZ-5000, and Dr. T's KCS. That got me into examining memory and files. By doing sysex dumps of CZ-5000 sequencer files, I was able to decipher how it used internal memory for sequences and wrote some nifty utilities. Looking at SQ.files from the KCS I was able to write a program to split a file into "left hand" and "right hand" tracks. My collaborator just played and I split the finished sequence. Although I had a routine to bounce a CZ-5000 track, I never finished my CZ-5000 <==> KCS sequence converter. (But I learned alot about programming on the way and that got me into assembly language programming on the PC--MS-DOS/pre-Windows.) Two of my favorite routines were (1) D0/B0 and (2) CZ-SPlit. (I forgot whether I first did them on the C-64 or not.) D0/B0 enabled me to convert the DH-100's aftertouch to control volume/expression on the KORG EX-800. CZ-Split [aka Infinite Keysplit) enabled me to play a different patch on each note of the keyboard. I thought about adding an "Infinite Velocity Split" routine, but never g ot that far. Hmmmmmm. It might work with the VZ. Someone could design a bank of 64 presets as one instrument to vary based on note and velocity. Of course, it would require an old PC running in MS-DOS with a pre- windows midi interface. Anyhow, that's what I had in mind for the CZ before multi-timbral synths with dynamic voice allocation came along. > . . . Hubi's loopback driver when I'm not using Sonar. I downloaded a version of Hubi's for Windows 3.1. It was cool. I seem to remember it allowed Windows to handle more than one midi program. > There's a free VST host that's little, and has some midi functions, > like a step- sequencer. Sometimes I run that in a separate > computer, connected by Midi-ox. After I get going with Sonar, I need to learn about VSTs, DXis, etc. Windows really made a lot of things possible, but I never was able to figure out midi I/O programming in Windows. Under MS-DOS I had direct control of the midi ports. Windows took that away. It has been my dream to find a windows/midi programmer to work with to push the envelop of midi programming. Hmmmm. Maybe Hubi's Loopback would let me do the D0/B0 and CZSplit type programs within Windows. Is that freeware? Where can I find it? Anyone with a VZ wanna design some "InfiniteSplit" banksets? Just some thoughts and memories. "They're all that's left me." -- Simon and Garfunkle. --Steve