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VZ sysex in Sonar, also link to backlight repair foil

VZ sysex in Sonar, also link to backlight repair foil

2004-09-04 by zog2zog2003

Hello,
I just got a VZ-10m with no manual.  The display is dim, someone 
posted that you hold down the "display" key and move the slider, to 
adjust it.  Thanks.

There's a link, www.midi-rakete.de, they sell backlight foil for 
synth displays.  I wonder what's special about it.

I didn't succeed in getting Sysex to transmit from MidiOx. But in 
Sonar 3, I got it to work after putting the SysxSendPacketSize=64 in 
the [options]  part of the ttsseq.ini file, as the help suggests.  

Pete

RE: [CZsynth] VZ sysex in Sonar, also link to backlight repair foil

2004-09-04 by Scott Nordlund

>Hello,
>I just got a VZ-10m with no manual.  The display is dim, someone
>posted that you hold down the "display" key and move the slider, to
>adjust it.  Thanks.
>
>There's a link, www.midi-rakete.de, they sell backlight foil for
>synth displays.  I wonder what's special about it.

It's just for replacing faded backlights.  Electroluminescent panels fade 
with use and at some point need to be replaced.

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Re: VZ sysex / MidiOX / slow transfer

2004-09-04 by phonophobie

Hi Pete!

Last night i tried to send sysex banks from midiOX to my VZ10m too.
I was getting an ERROR message all the time. ( vz said something about
midi error/ Check system ). I can not imagine i was getting this
message before - it maybe has something to do with my new system and
midi interface? I came up with an idea that older synth can not handle
fast sysex transfer rates, so i set a delay between buffers in midiox.
I guess thats something you didi in sonar, right? But i had still no
success with midiox! Does anyone have same problems? Can anyone help?

As for backlight: Midirakete will do the job for you. just send him
the size of your your foil - or send him a scan of your backlightfoil.

Phono



--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "zog2zog2003" <sandersp1@j...> wrote:
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> Hello,
> I just got a VZ-10m with no manual.  The display is dim, someone 
> posted that you hold down the "display" key and move the slider, to 
> adjust it.  Thanks.
> 
> There's a link, www.midi-rakete.de, they sell backlight foil for 
> synth displays.  I wonder what's special about it.
> 
> I didn't succeed in getting Sysex to transmit from MidiOx. But in 
> Sonar 3, I got it to work after putting the SysxSendPacketSize=64 in 
> the [options]  part of the ttsseq.ini file, as the help suggests.  
> 
> Pete

Re: VZ sysex in Sonar, Total Control Setting, etc.,

2004-09-05 by steve_the_composer

This past week I successfully connected a VZ-8m to Sonar 3.  I had 
problems at first and tried all the suggestions in Sonar Help [system 
exclusive | troubleshooting]  Currently, I do not have either 
SysxDelayAfterF7 enabled or a value for SysxSendDelayMSecs.

I tried those and had no success.

I am not 100% sure what worked for me, but at present I have the 
ability to send the VZ Voice + Op-Mem patches [see Files] to Sonar 
and to dump into Sonar.

The VZ-8m has a TOTAL CONTROL menu structure.  I am not sure if the 
other VZs do. In case it helps, here's what I do there:

02 MEM PROTECT - Switch INTERNAL to OFF
04 MIDI CHANNEL - Set midi channel to channel of data
05 MIDI DATA - Switch ECLUSIVE to ENA [enabled]
03 SAVE/LOAD - LOAD/SAVE > MIDI > [data type] > YES, YES

Note: It seems that data type must be matched.  In order to 
sucessfully load data that was stored as Voice + Op-Mem data, I had 
to set up the VZ to accept that type of data.

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Re: VZ sysex bulk data transfers and error messages

2004-09-05 by steve_the_composer

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote:
> Last night i tried to send sysex banks from midiOX to my VZ10m too.
> I was getting an ERROR message all the time. ( vz said something
> about midi error/ Check system ).

Here are the error messages I have been getting when sending VZ sysex 
data to the VZ-8m. (See my previous message about channel and data 
type matching.)
---------------------------------------------------------------
Message: --TRANS ERROR--- | CHECK SYSTEM!
Problem: Data channel <> VZ receive channel
Solution: Change VZ channel to match sysex file data.

Message: --MIDI ERROR--- | RECEIVE ERROR
Problem: Data type transmitted <> Data type expected
Solution: Select proper data type when loading data type into VZ.
---------------------------------------------------------------
To see the channel and size of data, you can use debug [PC].

EXAMPLE [VZCard9.syx]:
F0 44 03 00 70 70 02 F7
F0 = system exclusive data coming
44 = Casio product ID
03 = VZ line
00 = VZ-1 format data [02 = VZ-8m format data]
70 = channel 1 [7N where N = 0->F meaningchannels 1->16]
70 = open communication
02 = INT 64 voices + 64 op-mems
F7 = end of sysex transmission.

F0 44 03 00 70 74 . . . [data] . . . F7
74 = data is coming next

other codes for the 6th byte:
71 = close
72 = ok
73 = error
---------------------------------------------------------------
For the VZ-8m, I have the following SYSEX data sizes [received from 
VZ]:

65661 = FULL [Voice + Op-Men + Total]
65644 = VC+OP [Voice + Op-Mem]
43094 = VOICE
22672 = OPMEM

The VZ files posted in files are 55958 which I assume is the VZ-1/VZ-
10M VC+OP size.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Hope this helps.
--Steve

Re: VZ sysex bulk data transfers and error messages

2004-09-05 by steve_the_composer

Footnotes:

VZ-8m data transfer VZ-1/10m data first then VZ-8m specific data. So, 
if someone tried to send VZ-8m data to a VZ-1/10m, the voice and op-
mem data should load.

Here's the dump sequence:

F0 44 03 00 7A 70 02 F7
[open communication for 64 voices and 64 op-mems on channel 11] 

F0 44 03 00 7A 74 . . . [data] F7
[VZ-1/10m common data on channel 11]

F0 44 03 00 7A 71 F7
[close communication on channel 11]

F0 44 03 02 7A 70 03 F7
[open communication for 64 voices, 64 op-mems, and TOTAL CONTROL on 
channel 11] 

F0 44 03 02 7A 74 . . . [data] F7
[VZ-8m specific data on channel 11]

F0 44 03 02 7A 71 F7
[close communication on channel 11]

The first 3 sysex commands should be understood by all VZ. The last 3 
should be ignored by all VZs except the VZ-8m.

Hope this helps.

--Steve

PS: I listened to the factory patches [Files] and wasn't impressed 
with a few exceptions.  I have my own patches--some tweaked, some 
totally original.  My original patches tend to be spacey, wild, and 
pan/timbre effects using the mod wheel for control.  My tweaks tend 
to be variations customized for a wind controller [DH-100].

If others have good patches you have designed yourselves (esp. spacey 
sounds, sfx, wind controller sounds), I would be interested in 
swapping.

Re: VZ sysex bulk data transfers and error messages

2004-09-05 by phonophobie

Hi Steve! Many thanks for the infos! 

I just tried to send that VZcard09, but still getting the same message
( Load Error / Check system ! ). 
I don´t have used "deBug". (is this a freeware application?). So i am
not sure about the midichanel within the datafile.

here is what i did (used MidiOx):
02 MEM PROTECT - INTERNAL OFF
04 MIDI CHANNEL -  I set it to "1"
05 MIDI DATA - ECLUSIVE enabled
03 LOAD - LOAD/SAVE > MIDI > [data type] > YES, YES

As soon MidiOx starts to send the sysexdata, the VZ-10m gives me that
error....

is there anything i am doing wrong?

phono





--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...>
wrote:
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> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote:
> > Last night i tried to send sysex banks from midiOX to my VZ10m too.
> > I was getting an ERROR message all the time. ( vz said something
> > about midi error/ Check system ).
> 
> Here are the error messages I have been getting when sending VZ sysex 
> data to the VZ-8m. (See my previous message about channel and data 
> type matching.)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Message: --TRANS ERROR--- | CHECK SYSTEM!
> Problem: Data channel <> VZ receive channel
> Solution: Change VZ channel to match sysex file data.
> 
> Message: --MIDI ERROR--- | RECEIVE ERROR
> Problem: Data type transmitted <> Data type expected
> Solution: Select proper data type when loading data type into VZ.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> To see the channel and size of data, you can use debug [PC].
> 
> EXAMPLE [VZCard9.syx]:
> F0 44 03 00 70 70 02 F7
> F0 = system exclusive data coming
> 44 = Casio product ID
> 03 = VZ line
> 00 = VZ-1 format data [02 = VZ-8m format data]
> 70 = channel 1 [7N where N = 0->F meaningchannels 1->16]
> 70 = open communication
> 02 = INT 64 voices + 64 op-mems
> F7 = end of sysex transmission.
> 
> F0 44 03 00 70 74 . . . [data] . . . F7
> 74 = data is coming next
> 
> other codes for the 6th byte:
> 71 = close
> 72 = ok
> 73 = error
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> For the VZ-8m, I have the following SYSEX data sizes [received from 
> VZ]:
> 
> 65661 = FULL [Voice + Op-Men + Total]
> 65644 = VC+OP [Voice + Op-Mem]
> 43094 = VOICE
> 22672 = OPMEM
> 
> The VZ files posted in files are 55958 which I assume is the VZ-1/VZ-
> 10M VC+OP size.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Hope this helps.
> --Steve

Re: VZ sysex bulk data transfers and error messages

2004-09-05 by steve_the_composer

I have heard of MidiOX over the years, but have never used it.  I 
have been working with Cakewalk software since MS-DOS. It handles my 
sysex needs nicely. I might download MidiOx when I have a chance just 
to see what's going on there. Is it freeware?

The VZCard9.syx file (in the files section)is on channel 1, so your 
VZ settings should work.  I am wondering if MidiOx is sending out the 
sysex data straight, or if it is sending something else first.

(I assume for data type you chose VC+OP.)  WIthout looking at MidiOx, 
I am not sure what else to suggest.  Do you have a sequencer that 
sends sysex data?

At this point you probably don't need to use debug, unless you just 
want to take a look at some sysex files.

Debug came with MS-DOS and is still part of windows.  It is a simple 
utility.

I recommend saving a copy of the sysex files you will be looking at 
to a folder in your root directory.  I usually create C:\temp and 
copy the files there. Then:

(1) From Windows Start, click Run, type: command
This should take you to a C: prompt in a dos window.

(2) Change the prompt to wherever the files are using the cd command 
(for change directory).
I type cd c:/temp

(3) At C:\temp dir *.syx will list the sysex files you have placed 
there.

(4) Type debug vzcard9.syx [for example]

(5) Type d 100 <enter> to start displaying the data.  Type d <enter> 
to see another block of data.

Other debug commands:
? = list of debug commands
q = quit [then type exit to close the dos window]
n = name
EXAMPLE: n vzcard8.syx
l = load
s = search
EXAMPLE: s 100 ffff f0 44 03
d = display
EXAMPLE: d db8f

I highly recommend not changing anything around with debug unless you 
know what you are doing.  In other words, don't use the fill or enter 
commands without knowing first what you are changing.

Hope this helps.

--Steve

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote:
> Hi Steve! Many thanks for the infos! 
> 
> I just tried to send that VZcard09, but still getting the same 
message
> ( Load Error / Check system ! ). 
> I don´t have used "deBug". (is this a freeware application?). So i 
am
> not sure about the midichanel within the datafile.
> 
> here is what i did (used MidiOx):
> 02 MEM PROTECT - INTERNAL OFF
> 04 MIDI CHANNEL -  I set it to "1"
> 05 MIDI DATA - ECLUSIVE enabled
> 03 LOAD - LOAD/SAVE > MIDI > [data type] > YES, YES
> 
> As soon MidiOx starts to send the sysexdata, the VZ-10m gives me 
that
> error....
> 
> is there anything i am doing wrong?
> 
> phono
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...>
> wrote:
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> 
wrote:
> > > Last night i tried to send sysex banks from midiOX to my VZ10m 
too.
> > > I was getting an ERROR message all the time. ( vz said something
> > > about midi error/ Check system ).
> > 
> > Here are the error messages I have been getting when sending VZ 
sysex 
> > data to the VZ-8m. (See my previous message about channel and 
data 
> > type matching.)
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > Message: --TRANS ERROR--- | CHECK SYSTEM!
> > Problem: Data channel <> VZ receive channel
> > Solution: Change VZ channel to match sysex file data.
> > 
> > Message: --MIDI ERROR--- | RECEIVE ERROR
> > Problem: Data type transmitted <> Data type expected
> > Solution: Select proper data type when loading data type into VZ.
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > To see the channel and size of data, you can use debug [PC].
> > 
> > EXAMPLE [VZCard9.syx]:
> > F0 44 03 00 70 70 02 F7
> > F0 = system exclusive data coming
> > 44 = Casio product ID
> > 03 = VZ line
> > 00 = VZ-1 format data [02 = VZ-8m format data]
> > 70 = channel 1 [7N where N = 0->F meaningchannels 1->16]
> > 70 = open communication
> > 02 = INT 64 voices + 64 op-mems
> > F7 = end of sysex transmission.
> > 
> > F0 44 03 00 70 74 . . . [data] . . . F7
> > 74 = data is coming next
> > 
> > other codes for the 6th byte:
> > 71 = close
> > 72 = ok
> > 73 = error
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > For the VZ-8m, I have the following SYSEX data sizes [received 
from 
> > VZ]:
> > 
> > 65661 = FULL [Voice + Op-Men + Total]
> > 65644 = VC+OP [Voice + Op-Mem]
> > 43094 = VOICE
> > 22672 = OPMEM
> > 
> > The VZ files posted in files are 55958 which I assume is the VZ-
1/VZ-
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> > 10M VC+OP size.
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > Hope this helps.
> > --Steve

Re: VZ sysex bulk data transfers and error messages

2004-09-05 by phonophobie

MidiOX is freeware, and it works great with any other synth i have.
http://www.midiox.com/
It also shows you the sysex code - so maybe there is no need to do
this debug thing in windows?

phono



--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...>
wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> I have heard of MidiOX over the years, but have never used it.  I 
> have been working with Cakewalk software since MS-DOS. It handles my 
> sysex needs nicely. I might download MidiOx when I have a chance just 
> to see what's going on there. Is it freeware?
> 
> The VZCard9.syx file (in the files section)is on channel 1, so your 
> VZ settings should work.  I am wondering if MidiOx is sending out the 
> sysex data straight, or if it is sending something else first.
> 
> (I assume for data type you chose VC+OP.)  WIthout looking at MidiOx, 
> I am not sure what else to suggest.  Do you have a sequencer that 
> sends sysex data?
> 
> At this point you probably don't need to use debug, unless you just 
> want to take a look at some sysex files.
> 
> Debug came with MS-DOS and is still part of windows.  It is a simple 
> utility.
> 
> I recommend saving a copy of the sysex files you will be looking at 
> to a folder in your root directory.  I usually create C:\temp and 
> copy the files there. Then:
> 
> (1) From Windows Start, click Run, type: command
> This should take you to a C: prompt in a dos window.
> 
> (2) Change the prompt to wherever the files are using the cd command 
> (for change directory).
> I type cd c:/temp
> 
> (3) At C:\temp dir *.syx will list the sysex files you have placed 
> there.
> 
> (4) Type debug vzcard9.syx [for example]
> 
> (5) Type d 100 <enter> to start displaying the data.  Type d <enter> 
> to see another block of data.
> 
> Other debug commands:
> ? = list of debug commands
> q = quit [then type exit to close the dos window]
> n = name
> EXAMPLE: n vzcard8.syx
> l = load
> s = search
> EXAMPLE: s 100 ffff f0 44 03
> d = display
> EXAMPLE: d db8f
> 
> I highly recommend not changing anything around with debug unless you 
> know what you are doing.  In other words, don't use the fill or enter 
> commands without knowing first what you are changing.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote:
> > Hi Steve! Many thanks for the infos! 
> > 
> > I just tried to send that VZcard09, but still getting the same 
> message
> > ( Load Error / Check system ! ). 
> > I don´t have used "deBug". (is this a freeware application?). So i 
> am
> > not sure about the midichanel within the datafile.
> > 
> > here is what i did (used MidiOx):
> > 02 MEM PROTECT - INTERNAL OFF
> > 04 MIDI CHANNEL -  I set it to "1"
> > 05 MIDI DATA - ECLUSIVE enabled
> > 03 LOAD - LOAD/SAVE > MIDI > [data type] > YES, YES
> > 
> > As soon MidiOx starts to send the sysexdata, the VZ-10m gives me 
> that
> > error....
> > 
> > is there anything i am doing wrong?
> > 
> > phono
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> 
> wrote:
> > > > Last night i tried to send sysex banks from midiOX to my VZ10m 
> too.
> > > > I was getting an ERROR message all the time. ( vz said something
> > > > about midi error/ Check system ).
> > > 
> > > Here are the error messages I have been getting when sending VZ 
> sysex 
> > > data to the VZ-8m. (See my previous message about channel and 
> data 
> > > type matching.)
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Message: --TRANS ERROR--- | CHECK SYSTEM!
> > > Problem: Data channel <> VZ receive channel
> > > Solution: Change VZ channel to match sysex file data.
> > > 
> > > Message: --MIDI ERROR--- | RECEIVE ERROR
> > > Problem: Data type transmitted <> Data type expected
> > > Solution: Select proper data type when loading data type into VZ.
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To see the channel and size of data, you can use debug [PC].
> > > 
> > > EXAMPLE [VZCard9.syx]:
> > > F0 44 03 00 70 70 02 F7
> > > F0 = system exclusive data coming
> > > 44 = Casio product ID
> > > 03 = VZ line
> > > 00 = VZ-1 format data [02 = VZ-8m format data]
> > > 70 = channel 1 [7N where N = 0->F meaningchannels 1->16]
> > > 70 = open communication
> > > 02 = INT 64 voices + 64 op-mems
> > > F7 = end of sysex transmission.
> > > 
> > > F0 44 03 00 70 74 . . . [data] . . . F7
> > > 74 = data is coming next
> > > 
> > > other codes for the 6th byte:
> > > 71 = close
> > > 72 = ok
> > > 73 = error
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > For the VZ-8m, I have the following SYSEX data sizes [received 
> from 
> > > VZ]:
> > > 
> > > 65661 = FULL [Voice + Op-Men + Total]
> > > 65644 = VC+OP [Voice + Op-Mem]
> > > 43094 = VOICE
> > > 22672 = OPMEM
> > > 
> > > The VZ files posted in files are 55958 which I assume is the VZ-
> 1/VZ-
> > > 10M VC+OP size.
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > --Steve

Re: VZ sysex bulk data transfers and error messages

2004-09-05 by zog2zog2003

Thanks Steve,
I have sysex working ok in Midi-Ox and Sonar now, was just putting my 
results there for anybody's future reference.

That's an interesting thing to use debug for, I kind of like debug.

Midi-Ox is free for personal use, and it has a sysex edit window.  It 
has a lot of features I'm just now looking at.  I use either that or 
Hubi's loopback driver when I'm not using Sonar.  There's a free VST 
host that's little, and has some midi functions, like a step-
sequencer.  Sometimes I run that in a separate computer, connected by 
Midi-ox.

Pete

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> I have heard of MidiOX over the years, but have never used it.  I 
> have been working with Cakewalk software since MS-DOS. It handles 
my 
> sysex needs nicely. I might download MidiOx when I have a chance 
just 
> to see what's going on there. Is it freeware?
> 
> The VZCard9.syx file (in the files section)is on channel 1, so your 
> VZ settings should work.  I am wondering if MidiOx is sending out 
the 
> sysex data straight, or if it is sending something else first.
> 
> (I assume for data type you chose VC+OP.)  WIthout looking at 
MidiOx, 
> I am not sure what else to suggest.  Do you have a sequencer that 
> sends sysex data?
> 
> At this point you probably don't need to use debug, unless you just 
> want to take a look at some sysex files.
> 
> Debug came with MS-DOS and is still part of windows.  It is a 
simple 
> utility.
> 
> I recommend saving a copy of the sysex files you will be looking at 
> to a folder in your root directory.  I usually create C:\temp and 
> copy the files there. Then:
> 
> (1) From Windows Start, click Run, type: command
> This should take you to a C: prompt in a dos window.
> 
> (2) Change the prompt to wherever the files are using the cd 
command 
> (for change directory).
> I type cd c:/temp
> 
> (3) At C:\temp dir *.syx will list the sysex files you have placed 
> there.
> 
> (4) Type debug vzcard9.syx [for example]
> 
> (5) Type d 100 <enter> to start displaying the data.  Type d 
<enter> 
> to see another block of data.
> 
> Other debug commands:
> ? = list of debug commands
> q = quit [then type exit to close the dos window]
> n = name
> EXAMPLE: n vzcard8.syx
> l = load
> s = search
> EXAMPLE: s 100 ffff f0 44 03
> d = display
> EXAMPLE: d db8f
> 
> I highly recommend not changing anything around with debug unless 
you 
> know what you are doing.  In other words, don't use the fill or 
enter 
> commands without knowing first what you are changing.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> 
wrote:
> > Hi Steve! Many thanks for the infos! 
> > 
> > I just tried to send that VZcard09, but still getting the same 
> message
> > ( Load Error / Check system ! ). 
> > I don´t have used "deBug". (is this a freeware application?). So 
i 
> am
> > not sure about the midichanel within the datafile.
> > 
> > here is what i did (used MidiOx):
> > 02 MEM PROTECT - INTERNAL OFF
> > 04 MIDI CHANNEL -  I set it to "1"
> > 05 MIDI DATA - ECLUSIVE enabled
> > 03 LOAD - LOAD/SAVE > MIDI > [data type] > YES, YES
> > 
> > As soon MidiOx starts to send the sysexdata, the VZ-10m gives me 
> that
> > error....
> > 
> > is there anything i am doing wrong?
> > 
> > phono
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-
mail@p...>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> 
> wrote:
> > > > Last night i tried to send sysex banks from midiOX to my 
VZ10m 
> too.
> > > > I was getting an ERROR message all the time. ( vz said 
something
> > > > about midi error/ Check system ).
> > > 
> > > Here are the error messages I have been getting when sending VZ 
> sysex 
> > > data to the VZ-8m. (See my previous message about channel and 
> data 
> > > type matching.)
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Message: --TRANS ERROR--- | CHECK SYSTEM!
> > > Problem: Data channel <> VZ receive channel
> > > Solution: Change VZ channel to match sysex file data.
> > > 
> > > Message: --MIDI ERROR--- | RECEIVE ERROR
> > > Problem: Data type transmitted <> Data type expected
> > > Solution: Select proper data type when loading data type into 
VZ.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To see the channel and size of data, you can use debug [PC].
> > > 
> > > EXAMPLE [VZCard9.syx]:
> > > F0 44 03 00 70 70 02 F7
> > > F0 = system exclusive data coming
> > > 44 = Casio product ID
> > > 03 = VZ line
> > > 00 = VZ-1 format data [02 = VZ-8m format data]
> > > 70 = channel 1 [7N where N = 0->F meaningchannels 1->16]
> > > 70 = open communication
> > > 02 = INT 64 voices + 64 op-mems
> > > F7 = end of sysex transmission.
> > > 
> > > F0 44 03 00 70 74 . . . [data] . . . F7
> > > 74 = data is coming next
> > > 
> > > other codes for the 6th byte:
> > > 71 = close
> > > 72 = ok
> > > 73 = error
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > For the VZ-8m, I have the following SYSEX data sizes [received 
> from 
> > > VZ]:
> > > 
> > > 65661 = FULL [Voice + Op-Men + Total]
> > > 65644 = VC+OP [Voice + Op-Mem]
> > > 43094 = VOICE
> > > 22672 = OPMEM
> > > 
> > > The VZ files posted in files are 55958 which I assume is the VZ-
> 1/VZ-
> > > 10M VC+OP size.
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > --Steve

Re: VZ sysex bulk data transfers and error messages

2004-09-06 by steve_the_composer

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote:
> MidiOX is freeware, and it works great with any other synth i have.
> http://www.midiox.com/
> It also shows you the sysex code - so maybe there is no need to do
> this debug thing in windows?
> 
> phono

Nope.  No need to use debug.  You can look at the file in MidiOx's 
sysex view and see what channel the data is on and what type of data 
it is.

Since MidiOx works with your setup and other gear, I can't see why it 
wouldn't work with your VZ. There's gotta be something you are 
missing.  Sounds like time to work on it another day with a frsh 
start.  Good luck.

--Steve

Hmmm.  Long shot: In doing things for your other gear, did you do any 
channel or port routing that might be altering the VZ data on the way 
to the VZ?  (Had to ask, just in case.)

Re: VZ sysex bulk data transfers and error messages

2004-09-06 by steve_the_composer

> That's an interesting thing to use debug for, I kind of like debug.

I got started assembly language programming with the Commodore line 
(C-64/C-128), the CZ-5000, and Dr. T's KCS.  That got me into 
examining memory and files.  By doing sysex dumps of CZ-5000 
sequencer files, I was able to decipher how it used internal memory 
for sequences and wrote some nifty utilities.  

Looking at SQ.files from the KCS I was able to write a program to 
split a file into "left hand" and "right hand" tracks.  My 
collaborator just played and I split the finished sequence.

Although I had a routine to bounce a CZ-5000 track, I never finished 
my CZ-5000 <==> KCS sequence converter.  (But I learned alot about 
programming on the way and that got me into assembly language 
programming on the PC--MS-DOS/pre-Windows.) 

Two of my favorite routines were (1) D0/B0 and (2) CZ-SPlit.  (I 
forgot whether I first did them on the C-64 or not.) 

D0/B0 enabled me to convert the DH-100's aftertouch to control 
volume/expression on the KORG EX-800. CZ-Split [aka Infinite 
Keysplit) enabled me to play a different patch on each note of the 
keyboard. I thought about adding an "Infinite Velocity Split" 
routine, but never g ot that far.

Hmmmmmm. It might work with the VZ. Someone could design a bank of 64 
presets as one instrument to vary based on note and velocity. Of 
course, it would require an old PC running in MS-DOS with a pre-
windows midi interface. Anyhow, that's what I had in mind for the CZ 
before multi-timbral synths with dynamic voice allocation came along. 

> . . . Hubi's loopback driver when I'm not using Sonar.

I downloaded a version of Hubi's for Windows 3.1.  It was cool.  I 
seem to remember it allowed Windows to handle more than one midi 
program.

> There's a free VST host that's little, and has some midi functions,
> like a step- sequencer.  Sometimes I run that in a separate
> computer, connected by Midi-ox.

After I get going with Sonar, I need to learn about VSTs, DXis, etc. 
Windows really made a lot of things possible, but I never was able to 
figure out midi I/O programming in Windows.  Under MS-DOS I had 
direct control of the midi ports.  Windows took that away.

It has been my dream to find a windows/midi programmer to work with 
to push the envelop of midi programming.

Hmmmm. Maybe Hubi's Loopback would let me do the D0/B0 and CZSplit 
type programs within Windows.  Is that freeware?  Where can I find 
it? Anyone with a VZ wanna design some "InfiniteSplit" banksets?

Just some thoughts and memories. "They're all that's left me." --
Simon and Garfunkle.

--Steve

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.