Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

--- In CZsynth@y..., dan <where2463@y...> wrote:
> 
> I must have given the wrong impression in my original post.
> 
> So keep your CZs since this plug-in isn't even remotely a 
> replacement...

I think I may welll purchase it still.. It has soem neat sound
qualities.. that rhoughness is ReFX trademark and allthough I don't
much preciate eyecandy that synth have enough strong points that it
may well be worth that $$$ ... 

> 
> I wasn't saying that this was by any means a replacement 
> for or even an attempt at emulating a CZ. What I said was 
> that it seems to be inspired by the CZ synth. I am excited 
> by this synth as it is a step away from analogue modeling 
> subtractive softsynths and that IMO is a step in the right 
> direction. There are obviously more things lacking in this 
> than it has in common with the CZ but I've yet to find 
> something from a commercial outfit that truly departs from 
> the tried and true synth formula like the PlastiCZ does.

Agree ... Those ADSR:s are too much 'old analog' to be IMHO true PD
synth, but it's a good start. And what I asked from Mr Kelps, they are
planing to make v2.0 later.. I hope it'll have some of those features. 

> reFX may not be in the same league as Native Instruments 
> or Steinberg but the products they produce are of a very 
> high standard and they are developing inovative new instruments
> instead of following the rest of the developers. If you 
> don't think reFX cut it, try out the quadraSID and get back
> to me.

I'm owner of QuadraSid.. It's nice synth with unique sound (it's abit
too unique to fit onto my stuff... Plasticz feels immediately more
right) but way too ackward to be useful as a tweakers tool. Getting
right kind sound of it takes more work and knowledge than getting
sound of Yamaha DX-7 and that's a lot.

> It seems from the responses here that I am by no means alone 
> in my anxious search for a capable softsynth that can compare
> to the CZ synth. I long for eight stage envelopes on DCA, DCW 
> and most importantly DCO. Why haven't VSTi developers realised 
> how important it is to be able to control the pitch of every 
> osc with the same accuracy as the amp or filter? why why why.

I have pushed this to all those I know in this business... And I have
Syncmodular but it lacked (at least las time I checked) decent
PD-oscillator. Synthedit has that one, (and it even has 8-stage
envelopes) but it's lacking on GUI department. I have not seen any
clever way to make those envelopes on it. having 6*16 sliders ain't
the right approach...

(I'm not having that Native intruments Reactor. it's too overpriced
and underpowered ...)

> I am however very pleased with this little plastiCZ synth. It 
> can achieve sounds that I have only ever been able to get on 
> my CZ, the new Virsyn TERA (a very good softsynth) or after 
> lengthy sessions programming the FM7 but the plastiCZ can 
> acheive these sound very quickly and easily as the parameters 
> available are geared toward those type of sounds. I think 
> that we should celebrate this step in the evolution of softsynths 
> and await the next rather than being down on what is a very
>  unassuming yet IMHO pleasing little synth. 

(I borrow my own comment from Orion-board.. )
"It's definitely easier and IMHO better than CZ-101 for short sounds
like basses etc.. But on long sounds (atmospheric stuff and some Fxes)
those lousy 2 ADSR-s get into way. I have not gone thru it all but
othervice it sounds really promicing. Some of those effects it has are
really good and add depth to sound."

> I must also say that I strongly disagree with somma about the 
> sound quality of this synth. It is very good and the FX are 
> by no means what make the pleasing sounds they are mearly a 
> sweetener to some very strong synthesis. I still highly recommend 
> it and know that It will become one of my most often used synths 
> as it offers such unique (in the VSTi domain) sounds. 

It's ReFX synth... What else people are expecting about sounds? It's
plain, brutal, powerfull and charmingly efective. It can be subtle but
you need to be extra carefull about DCW parameter.. Overusing it WILL
make it sound scratchy. 

It's not clone Cz-101 but rather has charasteristics of his own.. If
it had those six decent envelopes that price (59usd I think) would be
steal.. Now, i need to think if I want to spend that much on a bit
partial synth.. 


Joanna